More conservative entitlement hypocrisy

[Phokus]

So yeah, i've had quite a few rants about the 'fuck you, got mine' 'Gubmint better keep it's hands off my medicare' wing of the republican party (aka the tea party), but i was a bit taken aback by Megan Kelly's whiny rant about Maternity leave (and how the US is in the 'dark ages' compared to other countries that mandate even better maternity leave by law... Aka "SOCIALIST" countries) as contrasted by her earlier rants on entitlements that OTHER people get:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-11-2011/lactate-intolerance

When conservatives say they want smaller government/less entitlements, what they mean is, 'smaller government' and 'less entitlements' for EVERYONE ELSE.

Megan is dumb as fuck, if a man tried taking 3 months off work to care for a baby, everyone would look down on him and the business would find some excuse to fire him that wouldn't get them into trouble with the law that she's talking about, women rarely get into trouble for taking full advantage of maternity leave.

 

[Brigandier]

So yeah, i've had quite a few rants about the 'fuck you, got mine' 'Gubmint better keep it's hands off my medicare' wing of the republican party (aka the tea party), but i was a bit taken aback by Megan Kelly's whiny rant about Maternity leave (and how the US is in the 'dark ages' compared to other countries that mandate even better maternity leave by law... Aka "SOCIALIST" countries) as contrasted by her earlier rants on entitlements that OTHER people get:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-11-2011/lactate-intolerance

When conservatives say they want smaller government/less entitlements, what they mean is, 'smaller government' and 'less entitlements' for EVERYONE ELSE.

Megan is dumb as fuck, if a man tried taking 3 months off work to care for a baby, everyone would look down on him and the business would find some excuse to fire him that wouldn't get them into trouble with the law that she's talking about, women rarely get into trouble for taking full advantage of maternity leave.

Meghan Kelly hasn't been on fox news for months upon months, she's probably bitching about Fox News' maternity leave policy, not others, unless she really does have easily pulled marionette strings.

 

[ProfJohn]

I don't see any hypocrisy.

Maternity leave is not mandated by the government.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

NT PJ, NT.

Not really his point.

 

[MovingTarget]

I don't see any hypocrisy.

Maternity leave is not mandated by the government.

Isn't that covered by FMLA to some extent? I didn't think it covered paid leave, but it least protected a woman's right to return to work after taking time off to have a child.

I do think we should provide stronger benefits for citizen mothers as a nation. Mehgan Kelly is correct in her assessment, despite being a bit hypocritical compared to her previous statements.

 

[ProfJohn]

BTW you gotta love the comments on that link.

Liberals are so high minded...
Brainwashed blonde bimbo.... guess its only an entitlement if you NEED IT. Stupid Biootch.
what an a**hole she is.
the beyotch got served

 

[ProfJohn]

Isn't that covered by FMLA to some extent? I didn't think it covered paid leave, but it least protected a woman's right to return to work after taking time off to have a child.

I do think we should provide stronger benefits for citizen mothers as a nation. Mehgan Kelly is correct in her assessment, despite being a bit hypocritical compared to her previous statements.

I don't see how it is hypocritical unless she was arguing for mandated and government paid for maternity leave.

Remember an entitlement is something that comes from the government, NOT something provided for you from a private company.

If I get two weeks paid vacation is that an entitlement? or a benefit?

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

BTW you gotta love the comments on that link.

Liberals are so high minded...
Brainwashed blonde bimbo.... guess its only an entitlement if you NEED IT. Stupid Biootch.
what an a**hole she is.
the beyotch got served

So what you're saying is you thought the right had a monopoly on stupid people?

I can see why you'd think that.

 

[MovingTarget]

I don't see how it is hypocritical unless she was arguing for mandated and government paid for maternity leave.

Remember an entitlement is something that comes from the government, NOT something provided for you from a private company.

If I get two weeks paid vacation is that an entitlement? or a benefit?

To answer your question, it depends. Is that two weeks mandated by law? If so, the net effect is the same. The employee would still be 'entitled' to it under the law. I would classify it as a benefit if it is something the law does not require.

Perhaps I misunderstood, but saying that the US is in the dark ages when it comes to maternity leave benefits with respect to other, more socialist first world nations is tantamount to arguing for government mandated benefits, i.e. entitlements. Just because she went on leave and wasn't under such a system doesn't mean that she wasn't arguing for it or that she wasn't being hypocritical on the issue.

 

[Phokus]

I don't see any hypocrisy.

Maternity leave is not mandated by the government.

She's whining that the US is in the 'dark ages' for Maternity leave compared to other countries, indicating she thinks it SHOULD be mandated by the government and she SHOULD get more. She also thinks men have equal access to the same benefit as women with the FMLA (they don't).

 

[ProfJohn]

She's whining that the US is in the 'dark ages' for Maternity leave compared to other countries, indicating she thinks it SHOULD be mandated by the government and she SHOULD get more. She also thinks men have equal access to the same benefit as women with the FMLA (they don't).

FMLA is available to anyone and everyone.

Men and women both can use it for time off. But it is not paid time off.


And you can't tell what she is calling for based on those short clips.

 

[Phokus]

FMLA is available to anyone and everyone.

Men and women both can use it for time off. But it is not paid time off.

Actually it's not, FMLA doesn't apply to businesses with less than 50 people. Also, you're dumb if you think men and women can use that equally. Again, businesses would fire men for taking that and you know it. I have NEVER seen a man take more than maybe 2 weeks off after their wives give birth. My company gives up to 3 weeks off for paternity leave, i believe while women can take 2 months off.

 

[ProfJohn]

Then the business would be breaking the law and could be sued...

 

[Phokus]

Then the business would be breaking the law and could be sued...

Only a naive person thinks this, a MAN would NEVER be able to take full advantage of FMLA without reprecussions. It's assumed that women should be allowed to. If they did, all they would have to do is find another excuse to fire him.

Also, the overwhelming majority of businesses don't provide paternity benefits like they do maternity benefits, that's discrimination against me. It's a built in assumption.

 

[MovingTarget]

Then the business would be breaking the law and could be sued...

ProfJohn, you are naïve to think that when it comes to firing that where there is a will, there isn't a way. Sure, a worker may be protected under law, but it is incredibly easy to find some other "reason" given some time and research. Either that, or make the worker so miserable that quitting is the best option. Sure, either of these methods may take longer, but it keeps them out of legal hot water >90% of the time. Most workers don't have the resources to go out and hire a lawyer anytime they are wronged by their former/current employer. Businesses, particularly big businesses, know that fact all too well.

Damn, Phokus beat me to it on the paternity leave thing. I for one would like my future wife to take time off to not only recover, but to nurse as God intended. Where's the pro-life crowd there? I would like to be able to help my wife during that time postpartum, but that would have repercussions due to that inherit bias.

 

[ProfJohn]

So what you saying is that FMLA doesn't really count because companies will ignore it...

But we can pass another government mandate and companies would not ignore it...


I would think that if companies are willing to violate one law they would have no problem violating another...

 

[Lanyap]

Caught another one. Good work!

 

[boochi]

Megan is dumb as fuck.

Meghan was a lawyer and practiced for nine years before becoming a reporter. I'm sure she has you beaten in the intelligence department.

Meghan Kelly hasn't been on fox news for months upon months, she's probably bitching about Fox News' maternity leave policy, not others, unless she really does have easily pulled marionette strings.

Meghan has been at FOX News for 7 years and is very happy with the way she was treated by them. She took 3 months off and was paid for every bit of it.

 

[Phokus]

Meghan was a lawyer and practiced for nine years before becoming a reporter. I'm sure she has you beaten in the intelligence department.

So being a lawyer and a reporter means intelligence. I wouldn't ascertain her intelligence by her profession alone, but i can certainly ascertain yours based on your idiotic statement.

You're like one of those horny dim witted middle aged men who will defend Palin to the death because they think she's hot, aren't you? Congrats on the white knight fail. I'm sure Meghan will sleep with you now that you've defended her honor.

 

[rchiu]

So being a lawyer and a reporter means intelligence. I wouldn't ascertain her intelligence by her profession alone, but i can certainly ascertain yours based on your idiotic statement.

You're like one of those horny dim witted middle aged men who will defend Palin to the death because they think she's hot, aren't you? Congrats on the white knight fail. I'm sure Meghan will sleep with you now that you've defended her honor.

That's funny cause you are the one making idiotic statement. The guy certainly has a point, being a lawyer and reporter does mean intelligence, the degrees and education required, the ability to speak and make coherent argument, something you haven't shown.

I mean how do you equate maternity benefits to "entitlement"? Women earn that leave with the 10 month plus labor worth of suffering and inconvenience, women earn that with their responsibility to nurture and care for the new born. Anyone who go through the process knows how much work that is (I personally have 2 kids). And yes, Megan Kelly is right about US maternity benefit sucks vs rest of the developed world.

If anything, this kind of "entitlement" is 100x better than handout to those people who are too lazy to look for jobs, too lazy to get a decent education or earn skills, or think the society is not fair/racist therefore everyone owe them something.

At least this benefit allows families to properly care for the newly born, form a stronger family bond, and setup a better foundation for children to grow from. Something this country seem to lack desperately with those liberals running their foul mouth against anyone they disagree with.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Today degrees are bought. I have a laywer 3 houses away that has IQ of box of rocks.
They are good at debating or they starve. Or become court appointed defenders.

We don't need speech makers we need common sense leaders who will keep the books in balance . When shit starts to happen . Watch who the first targets will be . And rightly so.

 

[HomerJS]

More typical righty hypocrisy. I sucked of the US government tit and now I want to cut it off.

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2011/07/michele_bachman_fannie_mae_freddie_mac_loans.php

Michele Bachmann used federally backed home loans from Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac just weeks before she denounced those programs and called for them to be dismantled, according to the Washington Post.

 

[Pens1566]

Meghan was a lawyer and practiced for nine years before becoming a reporter. I'm sure she has you beaten in the intelligence department.

Michelle Bachmann is/was a lawyer as well and I've taken dumps that could get a higher SAT score than her.

 

[thraashman]

Meghan was a lawyer and practiced for nine years before becoming a reporter. I'm sure she has you beaten in the intelligence department.



Meghan has been at FOX News for 7 years and is very happy with the way she was treated by them. She took 3 months off and was paid for every bit of it.

I remember Jon Stewart showing clips of this woman talking on Fox when the Wisconsin debate was going on. First he shows a clip of her talking about how teachers who make $50k a year are fat cats, then he shows her saying a few years ago when people wanted to cut Executive bonuses of bailed out financial firms that a person who makes $250k a year with a family of 4 is basically in the poor house.

She's a hyprocrite, an idiot, a monster, and a insane conservative. All of which is also summed up by saying, she's a true Republican.

 

[HomerJS]

I remember Jon Stewart showing clips of this woman talking on Fox when the Wisconsin debate was going on. First he shows a clip of her talking about how teachers who make $50k a year are fat cats, then he shows her saying a few years ago when people wanted to cut Executive bonuses of bailed out financial firms that a person who makes $250k a year with a family of 4 is basically in the poor house.

She's a hyprocrite, an idiot, a monster, and a insane conservative. All of which is also summed up by saying, she's a true Republican.

I thought the Fox News "hard news" reporters were supposed to be intellectually honest?