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Zorba

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"Although there is evidence of potential violations regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case". I guess that is how you summarize "matters".
People mishandle classified information everyday. The vast majority get a stern talking to, if caught. If you jailed everyone that accidentally mishandled classified information, no one would be willing to work with it.

I especially love the part about how almost all (or was it all) "classified data" found on her server was sent to her and none of these republicans are foaming at to jail all of those people. Makes you wonder if they actually care about mishandling of classified data...
 
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brandonbull

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See, now you are projecting.


Don't get mad at me, I'm not the dumbass that didn't know that Hillary's emails are directly related to the Benghazi investigations. I'm not the one doubling down on that ignorance.

You should change your name to StuckOnStupid. My reply was in response to the accusation that Hillary is the target of a witch hunt. People have claimed that she has been the target of several. I presented a quote where Comey said there was possible evidence of mishandling classified information and he, as the investigator, purportedly made the call not to bring charges. Sounds like quite the opposite of biased action against Hillary. You then had bring up Benghazi as if that was the point of the my response.
 

ivwshane

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You should change your name to StuckOnStupid. My reply was in response to the accusation that Hillary is the target of a witch hunt. People have claimed that she has been the target of several. I presented a quote where Comey said there was possible evidence of mishandling classified information and he, as the investigator, purportedly made the call not to bring charges. Sounds like quite the opposite of biased action against Hillary. You then had bring up Benghazi as if that was the point of the my response.

Yes and the response you replied to made the statement that these investigations were politically motivated, you then deflected to show that there really was something to them to which I asked you what their findings had to do with Benghazi to once again illustrate that the investigations are politically motivated.

Of course you don't get it and you never will, you are that fucking dumb.
 

rudder

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It's almost as if these investigations into Clinton aren't genuine and are some sort of political maneuver!

Nothing to see here move along. Aside from the fact that Clinton violated election laws by not disclosing that the campaign was paying FusionGPS for this dossier.... the very dossier (which was never verified) was used as evidence in FISA court to authorize wiretaps.

But yeh.... keep saying it is a politcsl maneuver and some vast right conspiracy. I know libtards cannot accept their beloved shillary being a total piece of shit.... but the shoe fits (well if she got it back after she was thrown into her van like a piece of meat while on the campaign trail).
 

ivwshane

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Nothing to see here move along. Aside from the fact that Clinton violated election laws by not disclosing that the campaign was paying FusionGPS for this dossier.... the very dossier (which was never verified) was used as evidence in FISA court to authorize wiretaps.

But yeh.... keep saying it is a politcsl maneuver and some vast right conspiracy. I know libtards cannot accept their beloved shillary being a total piece of shit.... but the shoe fits (well if she got it back after she was thrown into her van like a piece of meat while on the campaign trail).

I'll take a valid link please.
 
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werepossum

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Nothing to see here move along. Aside from the fact that Clinton violated election laws by not disclosing that the campaign was paying FusionGPS for this dossier.... the very dossier (which was never verified) was used as evidence in FISA court to authorize wiretaps.

But yeh.... keep saying it is a politcsl maneuver and some vast right conspiracy. I know libtards cannot accept their beloved shillary being a total piece of shit.... but the shoe fits (well if she got it back after she was thrown into her van like a piece of meat while on the campaign trail).
What - you don’t believe that Team Hillary paid $12.4 million to Perkins Coie without knowing what they were getting?

One of the most bizarre revelations of the NYT reportage was that before the election, the FBI took over paying Steele, then broke the agreement after Buzzfeed published it. Another bizarre aspect is that Fusion was simultaneously working for the Russians and many claims supposedly came from high Russian officials. Yep, the centerpiece of the Trump-Russia collusion claim was created in collusion with the Russians.

The Steele dossier is great for one person though. Michael Cohen now has compelling evidence for his beatification.
 
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fskimospy

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What - you don’t believe that Team Hillary paid $12.4 million to Perkins Coie without knowing what they were getting?

One of the most bizarre revelations of the NYT reportage was that before the election, the FBI took over paying Steele, then broke the agreement after Buzzfeed published it. Another bizarre aspect is that Fusion was simultaneously working for the Russians and many claims supposedly came from high Russian officials. Yep, the centerpiece of the Trump-Russia collusion claim was created in collusion with the Russians.

The Steele dossier is great for one person though. Michael Cohen now has compelling evidence for his beatification.

Wait, you’re shocked that information in a dossier about dealings between Trump and the Russian government was made using sources in the Russian government? How else on earth could they possibly have gotten that information? Lol.

When the CIA gets information from people working with them inside Al-Qaeda is your response ‘OMG the CIA is colluding with Al-Qaeda!’?
 

werepossum

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Wait, you’re shocked that information in a dossier about dealings between Trump and the Russian government was made using sources in the Russian government? How else on earth could they possibly have gotten that information? Lol.

When the CIA gets information from people working with them inside Al-Qaeda is your response ‘OMG the CIA is colluding with Al-Qaeda!’?
Perhaps someone can explain to you the difference between pointing out something and being shocked by it.
 

fskimospy

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Perhaps someone can explain to you the difference between pointing out something and being shocked by it.

I’m trying to understand why a product about Russian government dealings with Trump using Russian government sources is even worth pointing out. That’s a ‘no shit’ statement if I ever heard one.
 

Thebobo

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I am shocked, really I'm shocked. You can't believe how shocked I am. I'm Shocked that I'm this shocked. Of all the things I've been shocked about this is the most shocking.
 
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I'll take a valid link please.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/18/polit...-donald-trump-russia-investigation/index.html

I'm guessing in this case CNN won't be considered fake news by those who would yell it.

The FBI last year used a dossier of allegations of Russian ties to Donald Trump's campaign as part of the justification to win approval to secretly monitor a Trump associate, according to US officials briefed on the investigation.

It wasn't the sole reason but it was a part of it. That being said portions of it have, in fact, been validated. The only thing that hasn't really is the salacious stuff. But that wouldn't have been part of the basis for obtaining the FISA warrant anyway.
 

werepossum

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I’m trying to understand why a product about Russian government dealings with Trump using Russian government sources is even worth pointing out. That’s a ‘no shit’ statement if I ever heard one.
It’s worth pointing out because until it came to light that the DNC had hired Fusion GPS (through the Perkins Coie cutout) to produce the Steele Dossier, requiring the narrative be changed to how horrible it is that Team Trump attempted to get dirt without nobly paying for it, the outrage was that Russia was tampering with our election. Now we see that Team Hillary was in fact funding that effort.
 
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It’s worth pointing out because until it came to light that the DNC had hired Fusion GPS (through the Perkins Coie cutout) to produce the Steele Dossier, requiring the narrative be changed to how horrible it is that Team Trump attempted to get dirt without nobly paying for it, the outrage was that Russia was tampering with our election. Now we see that Team Hillary was in fact funding that effort.
It's a little early in the morning to be smoking that much weed.
 

werepossum

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I am shocked, really I'm shocked. You can't believe how shocked I am. I'm Shocked that I'm this shocked. Of all the things I've been shocked about this is the most shocking.
lol I am not shocked that you are this shocked. Of all the shocking revelations that have shocked me in this shocking election cycle, this is the most shocking. This shocking shock is so shocking that their very shocking nature is shocking, and it’s truly shocking how shocking these shocking developments that . . . um . . . Bob Dole . . . Bob Dole . . . Tapioca . . .
 
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fskimospy

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It’s worth pointing out because until it came to light that the DNC had hired Fusion GPS (through the Perkins Coie cutout) to produce the Steele Dossier, requiring the narrative be changed to how horrible it is that Team Trump attempted to get dirt without nobly paying for it, the outrage was that Russia was tampering with our election. Now we see that Team Hillary was in fact funding that effort.

Funding what effort of the Russians to tamper with our election? Seriously, it is way too early to be this high. I am genuinely struggling to think of anything more blindingly obvious than the fact that an intelligence product about the Russian government was using Russian government sources. I suspect you read that it was shocking in conservative media somewhere as I am very confident they have sufficient contempt for the intelligence of their audience to think they would fall for that.

As for who is noble or not, I like how you're still trying to pretend crimes and non-crimes are the same thing.
 

Jhhnn

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Sorry. I meant Team Hillary was funding it before the FBI took over.

Funding the Russian efforts to discredit Hillary? That was apparently your contention, above. If not, further clarification is required.
 

ivwshane

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/18/polit...-donald-trump-russia-investigation/index.html

I'm guessing in this case CNN won't be considered fake news by those who would yell it.



It wasn't the sole reason but it was a part of it. That being said portions of it have, in fact, been validated. The only thing that hasn't really is the salacious stuff. But that wouldn't have been part of the basis for obtaining the FISA warrant anyway.

So some of the information in it was verified then. Sounds like he should edit his post then.

Thanks for the link.
 

Sunburn74

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It’s worth pointing out because until it came to light that the DNC had hired Fusion GPS (through the Perkins Coie cutout) to produce the Steele Dossier, requiring the narrative be changed to how horrible it is that Team Trump attempted to get dirt without nobly paying for it, the outrage was that Russia was tampering with our election. Now we see that Team Hillary was in fact funding that effort.
You are way off base. It is perfectly legal to get information on your opponent and to pay for dirt. It is illegal however to gain help from a foreign power to do so. The entire mueller inquiry is around the fact that there is evidence the highest levels of the kremlin (ie putin himself) directly spent money and coordinated efforts to get trump elected. The question is whether the Kremlin coordinated its efforts with the trump campaign (wikileaks stuff, meetings with kremlin lawyers, etc etc)

Paying a firm that hired a guy that hired a guy that hired a british investigator to ask some questions to some russians he knew isn't quite the same as phone calls between putin's and his right hand men coordinating the timing of stolen emails, facebook coercion and misinformation campaigns, and quid quo pro under the table policy deals favorable to russia if Trump was to win etc (ie the very thing Mike Flynn resigned over and is being aggressively investigated in regards to) etc
 

trenchfoot

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I hearken back to the days of yore when Trump was attempting to rescind some of those sanctions that got put on Russia, specifically the one that restricted Russia (Rosneft) from engaging in exploring for oil in the North Atlantic which amounted to multi-billions of $$$ in profits. This while hiring a top tier oil magnate by the name of Tillerson as SecState. Gee what a coincidence, huh?

Small wonder Trump was trying really hard to get us to see the Russians as a really nice nation that we could be friends with.

This deep running Russian connection is going to get blown wide open and with it some careers are going to get trashed and hopefully some folks in the Trump Tribe will get their asses thrown in jail.

So the Trump Damage Control Squad has cranked up their smoke and mirrors machine and have dragged out from the cobweb laden annals of history a thoroughly debunked Uranium Connection Scandal starring none other than the Repub's favorite whipping girl, one Hillary Rodham Clinton out of a blatantly obvious attempt at diverting attention away from the indictment(s) coming tomorrow.

That is a desperate act by some very desperate people. A very good sign that speaks to how guilty folks try to hide their scent trails and tracks as they get cornered and treed.

No matter what happens from here on in Mueller is The Man.