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More choices for US consumers, Yes or No??

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Athlon30

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I think most consumers will agree that more choices is good. Everyone should know when there are more competitors, price come down, quality go up, service go up, variety go up.

There is a place call "Pacific computer city" in Guangzhow, China and other major Cities. they have 3000+ independent venders all located in 1 location. Manufacturers, distributors, retailers, box makers all located in a group of computer malls. Consumers get to choose from 50 mobo makers = 200+ mobo, 50+ CPU & memory venders, 50 suppliers with 400+ cases in 20-30 colors (not only beige or black), 50+ DVD-ROM makers, 50+ CPU heatsinks, 9 ram sink, 30+ VGA sinks, 60+ fans (in all sizes & loudness) and other accessories. Pre-mod VGA cards, handpicked CPU and ram are available from many venders. Moreover, over 80 venders specialize in buying and selling used parts. A used Geforce3 only cost US $ 50-60.

Over 15,000 people are working in those malls, that's employment for alot of people, hundreds of small business are included. Compare to a typical CompUSA which employs less than 120. That's JOBS for alot of people. Everyday tens of thousands of shoppers pour in from all over China, it's like the daily Comdex show.

Those thousands of independent venders all competing for price, quality and service. The winner is the consumer. Those little mon & pop shops in the mall are also winners because now being group together, attract more customers from over China. The loser is the BIG megachain stores like CompUSA and Bestbuy. Megachains can't dominate the market anymore like in US.

US comsumers don't have as much choice, we have CompUSA, Target, Staples, Bestbuy -- they don't give you much choice, a few brands and a few model each. Even if you get to choose from 40 heatsinks from a vender, you still have to pay more than you have to because of fewer competition.
Somebody gotta start these mega computer malls in the US. Both comsumers and small independent owners will benefit. More jobs for people too. But the megachains will scream like hell, and their share holders will scream too.

Athlon30, you were previously warned in your other thread for this kind of trolling. Further posting of this topic will result in your banning from these fourms.

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I agree with you in theory. But, unless our mom and pop vendors are content to eke out a living at Chinese standards, it won't fly in this country. You have to be able to afford healthcare, and make enough money to pay high rents and taxes. Without economy of scale, it can't be supported economically. The closest thing we have to that are weekend computer shows, etc. and local fair grounds. There are those every weekend in Southern California, and they are full of small, mom and pop vendors - and a lot of fly by night purveyors of gray hardware and black software as well.
 
Japan have such mega computer malls too, though (only a few hundred venders) not as big as in China. They have very high wage too. Hongkong and Taiwan have it too and high wages. And the rent in Hongkong is increditably high, one of highest in the world.
Nobody force those small business owners to open shop in the mall, they wanted to be in there.
the shop owners in China have to pay rent and tax, health care, social security too.
those computer fair sucks, they are fly by night.
 
Anyone, who is into electronics and finds himself or herself in Tokyo, heads to a section known as Akihabara. Same concept, hundreds of small electronics shops some stacked one on top of the other. You can purchase virtually anything electronic in Akihabara. I?ve been there a few times during my factory visits in Japan.

IMHO we have something much better, it?s called the internet. There is just as much variety and your don?t need to fly to China or Japan, you don?t even need to leave the comfort of your computer chair. They deliver the stuff right to your front door.
 
When it comes to buying computer hardware, I like to buy over the internet. When buying over the internet you can shop at your own pace, and easily find the best price. I research on the internet and buy the parts on the internet. Any time I buy anything from retail shops it is after comparison shopping at their online sites. This way I know exactly what I want and don't have some dim witted salesman trying to tell me what is the best. It also helps me avoid impulse buys.
 
Athlon30, if its such a great thing to have, why don't you start one here in the US. There are way too many people that expect others to do things for them. You could turn this into a very nice money maker for yourself.
 
Originally posted by: Gosharkss
Anyone, who is into electronics and finds himself or herself in Tokyo, heads to a section known as Akihabara. Same concept, hundreds of small electronics shops some stacked one on top of the other. You can purchase virtually anything electronic in Akihabara. I?ve been there a few times during my factory visits in Japan.

IMHO we have something much better, it?s called the internet. There is just as much variety and your don?t need to fly to China or Japan, you don?t even need to leave the comfort of your computer chair. They deliver the stuff right to your front door.
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Internet is also available in Japan, Hongkong, Taiwan and China. and their internet is faster those in the US. 6M DSL, 10M cable in Hongkong. 8M DSL in Japan. the fastest US DSL is 1.5M, ....1.5M is the slowest speed in Hongkong.
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Do you want US to have a place like that?
 
Originally posted by: Ben50
Athlon30, if its such a great thing to have, why don't you start one here in the US. There are way too many people that expect others to do things for them. You could turn this into a very nice money maker for yourself.
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To start a mall like that size demands millions of dollars, I don't have millions of dollars.
 
are you went out reasoning?
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My reasoning is this is the 3rd post by you on the same subject, the 1st got 72 responses, the 2nd locked and now this one. Your just wasting bandwidth hammering on the same topic over and over. Unless you got the money to open a place all your doing complaining and flaming
 
Originally posted by: jcmkk
When it comes to buying computer hardware, I like to buy over the internet. When buying over the internet you can shop at your own pace, and easily find the best price. I research on the internet and buy the parts on the internet. Any time I buy anything from retail shops it is after comparison shopping at their online sites. This way I know exactly what I want and don't have some dim witted salesman trying to tell me what is the best. It also helps me avoid impulse buys.
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-- SURE, you do because such mall don't exist in your area. The choice for you to shop at mega computer mall is not available.
 
MSN, mindspring, verizon, earthlink, Satilite, AOL,timewarner(roadrunner) all the biggest ISPs don't offer any DSL service for consumers higher than 1.5M.
 
No.

Fry's already has a huge selection of computer hardware for you for look,
then newegg has the same huge selection, even more, for you to buy at a lower price.
We don't need a computer mall here in the US.

Comparing the online price in the US to HK's computer mall price, we can get most stuff here online (after shipping charge) at about the same price as or cheaper than in HK. With rebate, coupon, hot deals, we can get some stuff way cheaper than in HK - like monitor, dsl/cable sharing router, etc. There is no such thing as free after rebate cd-r, mouse, keyboard, etc in HK.

For GSM mobile phone, although US uses own standard GSM 1900MHz, we can get GSM 1900Mhz phone like Nokia 8290 free (with contract) here in the US while in HK you've to pay a lot for the GSM900/1800 8210.

We can get Apex dvd player (although current models are region 1 only now) way cheaper here in the US than similar china made all region dvd player in HK or China.

We have so many advantages on some products in the US over HK or China, so what are you complaining about?
 
if you continue like this you're liable to get your @ss banned. please, quit trying to brag about how great it is to live in Hong Kong. obviously we, having been informed of this info, still wouldn't want to move there just for that benefit.

no you will most likely NEVER see something similar in America unless you count the internet, so basically you're ending up trying recruit people into going to Hong Kong for their stuff.

obviously, people don't want to have to move to Hong Kong to get a faster internet connection.. it will come here soon enough (again if you read the article I linked to 3 times in the previous thread you would know that if the depression in the Communications industry hadn't happened, you wouldn't be complaining).
 
Originally posted by: Kingofcomputer
No.

Fry's already has a huge selection of computer hardware for you for look,
then newegg has the same huge selection, even more, for you to buy at a lower price.
We don't need a computer mall here in the US.

Comparing the online price in the US to HK's computer mall price, we can get most stuff here online (after shipping charge) at about the same price as or cheaper than in HK. With rebate, coupon, hot deals, we can get some stuff way cheaper than in HK - like monitor, dsl/cable sharing router, etc. There is no such thing as free after rebate cd-r, mouse, keyboard, etc in HK.

For GSM mobile phone, although US uses own standard GSM 1900MHz, we can get GSM 1900Mhz phone like Nokia 8290 free (with contract) here in the US while in HK you've to pay a lot for the GSM900/1800 8210.

We can get Apex dvd player (although current models are region 1 only now) way cheaper here in the US than similar china made all region dvd player in HK or China.

We have so many advantages on some products in the US over HK or China, so what are you complaining about?
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-- 16X DVD in Guangzhow is US $40. and I know every tourist to China buy loads of DVD movies at US $1.5, unless they don't know where to get it or they don't watch DVD.
-- where do I get handpicked ram not at huge premium and the pre-mod Geforce4 Ti4200 at US $150???
-- at Fry's or newegg, do they have 200+ mid tower case in 30 colors, blade, 30+ book size, power supply from 50 manufacturers, 8 ram sinks, 60+ fans???... more competition means lower prices, higher quality, better service and more variety.
 
No, actually I wouldn't want something like that. I abhore malls in the first place, just short of my distaste for chain stores (which usually buy up most mall space anyway).

If this Pacific Computer City has grown up in an area heavy in computer commerce, then it makes sense. Placing a similar mall type model in any US city would be economic suicide. Same goes for cities in most every part of the world, UNLESS they're concentrated in an area where manufacturers, designers and vendors all have clustered. In that case with the the existing concentration and economic base being made up primarily by the success of the computer market the risk imposed by something like this already exists, but even if the computer market fails the concentration in that area will allow such a shopping area to survive.

Time and time again the mall cycle has repeated. They're placed where it's cheap to develope the land, where traffic is high. And there this artificial buying mecca is built. If it has 500 store areas in the mall, then 500 stores are expected. As long as it can stay full it works, but as soon as a few storefronts go empty the perception changes for both customers and vendors and soon you have a big empty building with a few bats in it. The mall developers made their money in the 20 years the mall was doing well. Now they're off somewhere else and don't have to deal with a town where the downtown was completely finished off and most of the little chain vendors fled not only the mall but the community. The end result being an area with even less variety in shopping than you started with, and one big honkin Wal-Mart left.

Build something like this in LA, it might work. For awhile. Same with Omaha, or Boston. As long as people are buying their computer parts piece by piece and upgrading it might work. What happens if two years from now the computer market shifts to all integrated disposable pieces and upgrading saves so little money vs buying a whole new one that few bother upgrading, or when computers are integrated into normal devices and we don't have a "PC" sitting on the desk like today? What happens when the computer market takes a downturn an all of a sudden (like it is currently) and a technovillage employing 15,000 ends up producing 5000 unemployed in the course of a couple months because the whole thing is built around selling ONE type of product (computer stuff). Take all the flaws of a mall and concentrate them.

Yeah, it sounds like a fun place to go shopping. But sure as hell nothing I'd want around my community.

--Mc
 
Originally posted by: Soccerman
if you continue like this you're liable to get your @ss banned. please, quit trying to brag about how great it is to live in Hong Kong. obviously we, having been informed of this info, still wouldn't want to move there just for that benefit.

no you will most likely NEVER see something similar in America unless you count the internet, so basically you're ending up trying recruit people into going to Hong Kong for their stuff.

obviously, people don't want to have to move to Hong Kong to get a faster internet connection.. it will come here soon enough (again if you read the article I linked to 3 times in the previous thread you would know that if the depression in the Communications industry hadn't happened, you wouldn't be complaining).
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first of all, the biggest Computer malls is in Guangzhow (3,000 venders), not Hongkong. (hongkong's computer malls is only 20% of Guangzhow) And I am not working in the computer industry, I don't sell them, I use them.

Not only Hongkong has 4x faster internet service at 6 - 10Mbps, Taiwan and Japan too. I am not recuiting people. I telling you guys that US consumers are being suckered. We forced to use those 768k-1.5M service because we have no choice. I want improvement for all US consumers. Because 3 years from now other countries will get 20-40Mbps internet service while US is still stucked with 1.5M max, IF US don't improve.
You tell me, is it that wanting improvement for all US consumers a bad thing????????
US will degrade into 2nd class nation if US don't improve.

 
We forced to use those 768k-1.5M service because we have no choice.
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768Kbps is fast enough for me. What's the matter? You can't get your warez fast enough?
16X DVD in Guangzhow is US $40.
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Toshiba 16X DVD is $45 including shipping at Newegg and I don't even have to go to the store to get it. I could save the $5 difference by packing my own lunch for a day. Whoopdee-frickin-doo!
every tourist to China buy loads of DVD movies at US $1.5
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How much would it cost for me to get to China to get those crappy quality $1.5 bootlegs? I'd have to buy an awful lot to offset the cost of travel. I also doubt they'd be a good match for my multi-thousand dollars woth of HT equipment. :Q
US will degrade into 2nd class nation if US don't improve.
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HA HA HA HA HA!
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Originally posted by: McCarthy
No, actually I wouldn't want something like that. I abhore malls in the first place, just short of my distaste for chain stores (which usually buy up most mall space anyway).

If this Pacific Computer City has grown up in an area heavy in computer commerce, then it makes sense. Placing a similar mall type model in any US city would be economic suicide. Same goes for cities in most every part of the world, UNLESS they're concentrated in an area where manufacturers, designers and vendors all have clustered. In that case with the the existing concentration and economic base being made up primarily by the success of the computer market the risk imposed by something like this already exists, but even if the computer market fails the concentration in that area will allow such a shopping area to survive.

Time and time again the mall cycle has repeated. They're placed where it's cheap to develope the land, where traffic is high. And there this artificial buying mecca is built. If it has 500 store areas in the mall, then 500 stores are expected. As long as it can stay full it works, but as soon as a few storefronts go empty the perception changes for both customers and vendors and soon you have a big empty building with a few bats in it. The mall developers made their money in the 20 years the mall was doing well. Now they're off somewhere else and don't have to deal with a town where the downtown was completely finished off and most of the little chain vendors fled not only the mall but the community. The end result being an area with even less variety in shopping than you started with, and one big honkin Wal-Mart left.

Build something like this in LA, it might work. For awhile. Same with Omaha, or Boston. As long as people are buying their computer parts piece by piece and upgrading it might work. What happens if two years from now the computer market shifts to all integrated disposable pieces and upgrading saves so little money vs buying a whole new one that few bother upgrading, or when computers are integrated into normal devices and we don't have a "PC" sitting on the desk like today? What happens when the computer market takes a downturn an all of a sudden (like it is currently) and a technovillage employing 15,000 ends up producing 5000 unemployed in the course of a couple months because the whole thing is built around selling ONE type of product (computer stuff). Take all the flaws of a mall and concentrate them.

Yeah, it sounds like a fun place to go shopping. But sure as hell nothing I'd want around my community.

--Mc
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---don't worry this kind of mega specilize (computer) mall, will not pop up everywhere, you need a population base of 10 million in order for it prosper. Probably, 1 in New York, 1 in LA. Any city less than 6 million, mega computer mall may not prosper unless it is smaller.

"UNLESS they're concentrated in an area where manufacturers, designers and vendors all have clustered. "
-- this kind of malls are in JAPAN too. Japan don't manufacture or design most PC parts. Dell, IBM, HP sells in japan too, but it is assembled in China.
 
"768Kbps is fast enough for me. What's the matter? You can't get your warez fast enough?"

-- do you mind having 6Mbps at the same price of 768kbps?
-- prices are like CPU prices, when new top speed come up, the old top speed CPU's price drops.
 
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