More 20nm news

[ShintaiDK]

So nVidia will be only one with 20nm with GM200, GM204 and GM206.

 

[Erenhardt]

So nVidia will be only one with 20nm with GM200, GM204 and GM206.

AMD will go with Samsungs 14nm instead

 

[Mand]

Intel - please open your glorious fabs to nvidia and amd so we don't have to suffer through TSMC delays anymore.

Nvidia maybe, but AMD? No way in hell.

 

[Keysplayr]

AMD will go with Samsungs 14nm instead

Are you serious?

 

[Keysplayr]

So nVidia will be only one with 20nm with GM200, GM204 and GM206.

Where did you get this from?

 

[DiogoDX]

Are you serious?

http://techreport.com/news/26336/gl...ung-process-tech-grants-amd-access-to-finfets

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/2014/04/17/samsung-and-globalfoundries-collaborate-on-14nm-finfet/

But I tink this will be for future APUs.

 

[ShintaiDK]

AMD will go with Samsungs 14nm instead

I do hope they release a a new GPU thats not 28nm before 2016/2017.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Where did you get this from?

You mean the part where nVidias drivers contain GM107, GM206, GM204 and GM200 for Maxwell in the CUDA part?

 

[n0x1ous]

Nvidia maybe, but AMD? No way in hell.

this was said in jest. they wouldnt do it for either one of them

 

[tviceman]

So nVidia will be only one with 20nm with GM200, GM204 and GM206.

AMD will have 20nm GPU's, just not in 2014. Nvidia more than likely won't either. Even if Nvidia hasn't come out and said otherwise, looking at how 28nm product releases came forth gives a good indication of what 20nm will be like. The first 28nm GPU (Tahiti) came more than 6 months after the first 28nm SoC mobile chip, simply because building a 100mm^2 chip in massive volume (what Qualcomm does) is going to be easier both technically and financially than a 200-550mm^2 GPU. Beyond that, Apple has bought up all the risk wafers (and probably some more), so they'll have exclusive 20nm capacity for a solid 2-3 months.

 

[tviceman]

You mean the part where nVidias drivers contain GM107, GM206, GM204 and GM200 for Maxwell in the CUDA part?

That doesn't give indication as to when there will be 20nm capacity and also to when it will be economically viable. All that means is that Nvidia has chips designed, perhaps taped out, and are bug testing. They can bug test all they want, but until TSMC can supply more than just Apple and Qualcomm, we will be stuck with regurgitated 28nm cards.

 

[witeken]

This, so much this. Also, hasn't Intel begun to contract out their fabs?

Yes, but the chance that they'll let a competitor use their fabs is almost 0, because they obviously want to sell their own high-margin chips. Even if they allow Nvidia to use their fabs, it will still take a few years before we'll see results of that.

 

[blackened23]

Pretty much intel stated that they are super selective with who can use their fabs. They're not going to give a competitor a competitive advantage. Being that AMD and NV are both competitors in graphics, HPC, and mobile graphics - the obvious answer is it will never happen. Ever. Unless intel suddenly become morons at an executive level. Which, has 99% chance of not happening, has that 1% chance of being possible. But intel has pretty good business smarts overall. So not going to happen, although I truly wish it would so we could resume meaningful node improvements on GPUs at a faster pace..

 

[Keysplayr]

You mean the part where nVidias drivers contain GM107, GM206, GM204 and GM200 for Maxwell in the CUDA part?

Does it tell you in the driver what manufacturing process is used on those code names?

 

[piesquared]

This isn't a big surprise really, and better for consumers anyway unless they were wanting the prices of graphics cards to go way up.

NV won't be first to 20nm, no way. They're already whining about TSMC's 20nm, as they historically to for a new node. Plus, they haven't been able to transition to a new node before AMD for several generations.

 

[dangerman1337]

I do hope they release a a new GPU thats not 28nm before 2016/2017.

Just because its on 28nm doesn't mean it'll be weak, sure the GM200 may still use a 384 bit bus and still won't have enough grunt to play titles at 4K at very high settings for a while but it will still be a jump that could be a next-generational jump. Besides we'll see Pascal shorter than expected IMO rather than ages.

Does it tell you in the driver what manufacturing process is used on those code names?

What he said; aside rumors that everyone instantly believes there is no evidence but the guy from Beyond3D seems to be more accurate and believable then dream wish specs or click-bait. I think Second generation Maxwell means more considerable architectural improvements that'll boost performance per watt or density without resorting to uneconomical die shrinks that will result in a next generation jump perfromance-wise.

 

[Fastx]

From our forum finally get some tangible evidence of the career of another Maxwell - chip GM204 , GM206 and GM200 . Then the two graphics chips are GM204 ( high-end segment) and GM206 ( performance segment ) lie their tape out later this April and have those already possibly are already through ( so the rumors timely wise information available are not ) . These two graphics chips are provided in the rest yet for 28nm production , not for the 20nm manufacturing ( which would require an extra tape-out , respectively, again much preparation time for mass production in doubt ) . When GM200 chip ( enthusiast segment) the design phase , however, is not yet completely finished , the tape-out is currently scheduled for June . In which production of these graphics chip comes , is not yet entirely sure .

nVidia GM206
safe: Maxwell architecture
pretty sure : plans for the performance segment ( successor of the GK106 chips )
allegedly : 28nm manufacturing by TSMC
allegedly : tape-out runs in April 2014
probably : Release probably realized from December 2014 launch possibly only in January 2015
Source: 3DCenter forum


In any case, nVidia seems to still want to insert another 28nm generation , in fact, even if the enthusiast chip GM200 perhaps already competes in the 20nm manufacturing, because otherwise the chip area will be hard to keep to a healthy level . So come but once again our earlier speculation to the game , which deal with the possibilities of Maxwell's architecture under the 28nm manufacturing. With the right tuning this one chip generation is quite feasible that in spite of the further use of the 28nm manufacturing offers serious performance benefits.

nVidia GM204
safe: Maxwell architecture
pretty sure : plans for the high-end segment ( successor of the GK104 chips )
allegedly : 28nm manufacturing by TSMC
allegedly : tape-out runs in April 2014
probably : Release December 2014
Source: 3DCenter forum


For the rest can be derived from the tape -out data , certain conclusions on possible release dates close after the previous GM107 chip had at least eight months needed between tape-out and launch . Normally you should use the GM204 chip is not expected before December - the normal case occurs when the A2 stepping is used for delivery, and not just another steppings are necessary ( a launch even with the A1 -stepping , however, is badly unlikely). The GM206 chip may appear shortly , here probably nVidia's release plans to play more of a role than for the real production availability. The GM200 chip is , however, not expected until early 2015 - with an ideal curve may be as early as February 2015, but in such a large chip shifts are not exactly rare.

nVidia GM200
safe: Maxwell architecture
pretty sure : planned for the enthusiast and the professional segment ( successor of the GK110 chips )
allegedly : tape-out scheduled for June 2014
probably : release in the first or second quarter of 2015 ( ideally in February 2015)



In the sum of things so we have a strong signal for the re-use of the 28nm production even for the larger Maxwell chips. How AMD plans in his Pirate Islands - generation , however, is still in limbo , most recently , there was plenty of this contradictory messages ( No.1 & No.2 ) . The possibility that AMD still further 28nm graphics chips brings , but is nevertheless still open, so do not just speak against the above message to other 28nm graphics chips by nVidia . We want to define entirely us at this time , of course, not yet - but after these messages now speaks again very much for another , last 28nm -based graphics chip generation of AMD and nVidia .

http://www.3dcenter.org/news/nvidia...06-legen-tape-out-fuer-die-28nm-fertigung-hin

 

[Silverforce11]

It definitely smells like both NV and AMD are skipping TSMC 20nm completely due to the lack of a HP process, with only a half-half mix catering to SoCs.

So in 2015, when 20nm + finfets will tape out, we could see some products late 2015 as the real "next-gen".. but figuring its TSMC, could well end up in 2016.

Either way, Maxwell on 28nm should still give a nice performance and efficiency boost. Hopefully AMD's GCN 2.0 will be able to compete so us gamers get good value.

 

[ShintaiDK]

It definitely smells like both NV and AMD are skipping TSMC 20nm completely due to the lack of a HP process, with only a half-half mix catering to SoCs.

So in 2015, when 20nm + finfets will tape out, we could see some products late 2015 as the real "next-gen".. but figuring its TSMC, could well end up in 2016.

Either way, Maxwell on 28nm should still give a nice performance and efficiency boost. Hopefully AMD's GCN 2.0 will be able to compete so us gamers get good value.

There is no such thing as a HP process anymore. There is 20nm and 16FF SOC.

 

[Wild Thing]

AMD will debut GCN2 architecture on 28 nano before we see 20nm lithography mid 2015 I think.Expect to see 30% gains unless they do a big die as a swan song for 28nm.