The only part directed at you was that you brought up the whole "makes 5x what you make' BS. Earning is nothing. The people in this country who earn money deserve it the least. The people who really do matter make next to nothing.
Position and money and such really have no bearing at all on intelligence or ability. While I'm sure individual experiences differ, in mine the more money or power someone has, the worse of a person they are. Not always, but usually.
So to say that someone making a greater salary is in any way superior to someone who makes very little is assinine.
Position and money and such really have no bearing at all on intelligence or ability. While I'm sure individual experiences differ, in mine the more money or power someone has, the worse of a person they are. Not always, but usually.
So to say that someone making a greater salary is in any way superior to someone who makes very little is assinine.
Shotgun Steve - Not really true at all anymore. I know a great many adult entertainers and such who planned from their teens how to retire in their early 20's. My ex-wife was a stripper and made 30-40k a year part time in a bad year at age 18...her top offer would have earned about 160k (including tips) for 10 months work (Alaskan pipeline circuit). A huge number of girls today do one or two movies and some web stuff to make enough for a full trip through college to do what they want later.
As for the pure prostitute thing it's no longer getting diseased to death by mid 30's. Most diversify into movies or modeling or web stuff too. And even those that don't earn 100-500 an hour...it doesn't take long to retire at that rate.
As for the pure prostitute thing it's no longer getting diseased to death by mid 30's. Most diversify into movies or modeling or web stuff too. And even those that don't earn 100-500 an hour...it doesn't take long to retire at that rate.
spanky
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<< That's what people with low intelligence normally claim... 'that's book smart, but it's common-sense that really counts'. >>
as i've courteously ask before, please stop calling me names.
<< Believe what you want, but most people with graduate degrees such as a professor would have some formal education on logical and critical thinking. >>
thank you for "allowing" me to believe what i want. have you ever lived on a college campus? there is a gross number of honor students, TA's, & professors, all of whom are proven to be book smart, but are completely lacking in common sense. don't get me wrong, i am not saying this is true of all professors. but i just tried to make a comedic post about one encounter i had with one professor, and you blew this up into "she makes more money than you, she is smarter than you, you are of low intelligence."
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<< I just thought it was idiotic to state somebody else deserves a darwin award when they're obviously making a better living than you. >>
Bill Clinton makes more than me and he thinks oral sex is not sexual relations. Andre Rison makes (or used to) and he couldn't stay out of jail because he was stealing cars. A person's salary is not an indication of their intelligence or their ability to succeed in life. >>
Hey, don't forget Jerry Fallwell
!!!Don't Japanese college girls do something like that too? They can't afford tuition so they turn into pR0n to earn it.
<< i do believe that is where you are wrong. being a prof probably means that person is book smark. intelligence (which i would associate with common sense)? i'm not so sure about that. >>
I agree with everything you've said but that. Professors are not only book smart. There is a lot you need to do to become a professor,including writing some very hard thesis'. My brother in law is trying to become one and everytime he tries,something gets in the way,but he keeps on trying. He is really intelligent and not just book smarts.
I totally disagree with Moralpanic on this thread largely due to the fact that he never should have replied to a thread he had nothing to contribute to in the first place. He specificly came in here to crap on you it seems.
<< Everyone GET OVER this money/power trip and learn what really matters in life, please.
This is directed at me? When did i ever say money/power is the most important things in life? I gave up some really good opportunities (things like working for a year that will set me up for life kind of deals) to attend school full-time, instead of blowing thousands of dollars in 'rice-ing' up my car, i've blew it on books and gifts, and instead of going to graduate school, i'm going to enlist in the military. >>
So instead of earning 5X more you go for some intelligence instead, that's what you are trying to say?
So the primary school dropout who got that hugely paying job you didn't take is more intelligent than you are, just cause he makes more money? Money doesn't say sh!t, nor does a title for that matter.
I Know quite a lot of Profs and stuff, and several are quite brilliant in their own tiny subject, but absolutely ignorant to the rest of the world. Sure they can tell you all about the left wing of the African or European swallow, but they wouldn't even be able to draw it's right wing, let alone that they'd know how to tie their shoelaces or open a door.
There is such a thing as common knowledge, most people know that electrical devices operate so much more efficient if you give it batteries or plug it into an outlet. If you have ever used a vacuum cleaner, a hair dryer or even a flashlight, you should know this. People who know a computer is an electrical device, but are too scared or stupid to even plug it in do, in my opinion, deserve to be seen as dumb. I can forgive any user who forgets to connect it and thinks he has, or one who doesn't know it has been disconnected, but I can get very annoyed with people who find several cables and power supplies, and just put em back in the box and start complaining that it doesnt work. It's like phoning a plumber to complain there is no water in the bath, without even turning on the tap.
So instead of earning 5X more you go for some intelligence instead, that's what you are trying to say?
No, that's not what i said.
So the primary school dropout who got that hugely paying job you didn't take is more intelligent than you are, just cause he makes more money? Money doesn't say sh!t, nor does a title for that matter.
Sure it does, you're fooling yourself if it doesn't. Should it? No it shouldn't, but look at how materialistic our society is, and you're saying it doesn't? If it didn't, doctors and teachers would be making much more money than basketball and baseball players. We live in a meritocratic society, one in which merit equals to success and achievements... and success and achievements are often measured by ones wealth.
Why do you think so many people strive towards a higher income so they can live in a bigger house, drive more expensive cars, and wear nicer clothes? Does driving a more expensive car inherently bring more pleasure? It doesn't, it does psychologically because you feel superior to all those around you. Does nicer clothes feel more comfortable to the skin, or keep you warmer or cooler? No it doesn't, but you want to project the impression that you're more wealthy, and thus a better person.
Lets see you try getting a 50k entry job in IT with just a highschool diploma... not saying it doesn't happen, but it's damn rare, they want to see that title or certificate you ahve. Lets see you try to get clients as a counselor without some sort of title... good luck, i know i wouldn't go see a counselor who's only form education is highschool.
I Know quite a lot of Profs and stuff, and several are quite brilliant in their own tiny subject, but absolutely ignorant to the rest of the world. Sure they can tell you all about the left wing of the African or European swallow, but they wouldn't even be able to draw it's right wing, let alone that they'd know how to tie their shoelaces or open a door.
I don't know what school you go to, but i've never met a prof as such... not saying it doesn't happen, but what kind of school do you go to that you 'know quite a lot of profs and stuff' that don't know how 'to tie their shoelaces or open a door'?
No, that's not what i said.
So the primary school dropout who got that hugely paying job you didn't take is more intelligent than you are, just cause he makes more money? Money doesn't say sh!t, nor does a title for that matter.
Sure it does, you're fooling yourself if it doesn't. Should it? No it shouldn't, but look at how materialistic our society is, and you're saying it doesn't? If it didn't, doctors and teachers would be making much more money than basketball and baseball players. We live in a meritocratic society, one in which merit equals to success and achievements... and success and achievements are often measured by ones wealth.
Why do you think so many people strive towards a higher income so they can live in a bigger house, drive more expensive cars, and wear nicer clothes? Does driving a more expensive car inherently bring more pleasure? It doesn't, it does psychologically because you feel superior to all those around you. Does nicer clothes feel more comfortable to the skin, or keep you warmer or cooler? No it doesn't, but you want to project the impression that you're more wealthy, and thus a better person.
Lets see you try getting a 50k entry job in IT with just a highschool diploma... not saying it doesn't happen, but it's damn rare, they want to see that title or certificate you ahve. Lets see you try to get clients as a counselor without some sort of title... good luck, i know i wouldn't go see a counselor who's only form education is highschool.
I Know quite a lot of Profs and stuff, and several are quite brilliant in their own tiny subject, but absolutely ignorant to the rest of the world. Sure they can tell you all about the left wing of the African or European swallow, but they wouldn't even be able to draw it's right wing, let alone that they'd know how to tie their shoelaces or open a door.
I don't know what school you go to, but i've never met a prof as such... not saying it doesn't happen, but what kind of school do you go to that you 'know quite a lot of profs and stuff' that don't know how 'to tie their shoelaces or open a door'?
Remember kids, making more than someone means you are better than they are, regardless of common sense, logical thinking, or technical skills.
dabuddha
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being a prof doesn't mean jack squat in our society. Granted, most prof's are extremely intelligent, but i've lost count of how many idiot prof's i've had during my "college career." Claiming that someone being a prof means they're smarter than someone else is quiet naive if you ask me.
On a personal note, if you don't mind me asking, why were you incarcerated moralpanic? You don't have to answer if you don't want to, I'm just curious
On a personal note, if you don't mind me asking, why were you incarcerated moralpanic? You don't have to answer if you don't want to, I'm just curious
<< The fact that she was a prof would be a good assumption that she's intelligent. >>
You never went to college, did you?
Moralpanic is someone with strong principles and that can get some people into trouble when their internal compass conflicts with the opinion of the larger majority.
I caught a ton of flak here for arguing that Timothy McVeigh should not have been executed, but sometimes principles are more important that societal thought submissiveness.
I caught a ton of flak here for arguing that Timothy McVeigh should not have been executed, but sometimes principles are more important that societal thought submissiveness.
Moralpanic took the title out of context. Unless it says something like 'ALL USERS ARE STUPID (especially moralpanic)' he should keep his temper in check. Until you work in IT or any other technical service industry, you really have no idea how frustrating some people can be. This IS ANANDTECH. There are a bunch of TECHS here. If we feel like venting because we have idiots users who REFUSE to learn from their mistakes, we will do it regardless of Moralpanic's likes / dislikes.
<< I Know quite a lot of Profs and stuff, and several are quite brilliant in their own tiny subject, but absolutely ignorant to the rest of the world. Sure they can tell you all about the left wing of the African or European swallow, but they wouldn't even be able to draw it's right wing, let alone that they'd know how to tie their shoelaces or open a door.
I don't know what school you go to, but i've never met a prof as such... not saying it doesn't happen, but what kind of school do you go to that you 'know quite a lot of profs and stuff' that don't know how 'to tie their shoelaces or open a door'? >>
I do not go to school anymore (went to college long ago). I'm a systems administrator who, through my job, happens to meet quite a lot of professors and researchers (often with Dr. in front of their names), and I've noticed that they tend to have the same lack of common sense or general knowledge that can be found in people that did not go to university.
I like science in general: Biology, Psychology, Quantum Physics, Chemistry and others. This means that, although I am not an expert on each matter, I do have some knowledge in a lot of different areas. I can talk to a Psychologist or Biologist about their research, and understand most of what they are saying. If I'd start talking Quantum Physics to them they would be at a loss. Does that mean they are stupid? No, they just never looked into it much. Same with computers, they wont know an ISDN adapter from a NIC (to use the example from the other thread, which concerned a Dr. in Biology), and I can quite understand that it is not something that interests them anyway.
But... if it has been explained several times, I can get annoyed if they STILL make the same mistake, especially if you specifically ask about it and they deny doing that wrong. But that concerns non-everyday hardware, something they will not encounter all that often.
Ever tried using a vacuumcleaner that wasn't plugged in though? That does not work very well. Ever tried using a toaster that wasn't plugged in? Wont work either. Then why is it so hard to understand that computer _electronics_ also might need a power source? If you find a power adapter and a few cables when connecting the computer, put them away and something doesn't work right, should there not ring a bell? This is common sense. Not something only a highly experienced computer technician can do. Otherwise I'd be making a whole lot of money just driving around plugging in vacuumcleaners and stuff.
<< Otherwise I'd be making a whole lot of money just driving around plugging in vacuumcleaners and stuff. >>
The sad thing is, THAT is exactly what a lot of techs are here for.
Seriously, I work for a place that hires minimum wage data entry workers, some of whom desperately need running water in their homes, so you can't expect them to understand computers or light switches...
spanky
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<< This is directed at me? When did i ever say money/power is the most important things in life? >>
how highly would you rank "survivial" in life? me personally, i rank it pretty high, if not the highest. i don't know about you though. but here a what you wrote in another thread:
'Darwinism' is survival of the fittest... and survival in this society has very much to do with how well you earn a living.
yes, very true. how much a human being earns does have very much to do with their ability to survive, but there is more to it (all of which can fall under the definition of "power").
<< I gave up some really good opportunities (things like working for a year that will set me up for life kind of deals) to attend school full-time, instead of blowing thousands of dollars in 'rice-ing' up my car, i've blew it on books and gifts, and instead of going to graduate school, i'm going to enlist in the military. >>
all i know is, this is one heck of a run-on sentence. i will not even try to reply to it until you've graciously revised it to a more understandable fashion.
<< Have you ever heard me being superficial in any of my posts? >>
in my other post, you stated:
I just find it odd that some lowly wage tech support is prejudging a profs intelligence by one incident.
you criticize me for prejudging a prof (in a thread which was meant to be comedic), but at the same time, you also prejudge me as "low wage tech support" and being of "low intelligence". i apologized for offending you, and asked very courteously of you to stop insulting me, yet you continue to do so. i would think that is pretty shallow of you.
<< Unlike most people, i've experienced what it is like to lose everything in the world... and when you lose it all, the things you remember aren't 'i should have bought that car' or 'i should have made more money', but things like missed opportunities. >>
i applaud you for getting your priorities straight and turning your life around. but what does this quote have to do with my original topic, which was a comedic post about a prof have a bonehead moment? or even your first reply to my post, in which you badger me?
<< The people in this country who earn money deserve it the least. >>
We have a winner in the contest for the most ignorant statement in this thread.
Russ, NCNE
spanky
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<< So the primary school dropout who got that hugely paying job you didn't take is more intelligent than you are, just cause he makes more money? Money doesn't say sh!t, nor does a title for that matter.
Sure it does, you're fooling yourself if it doesn't. Should it? No it shouldn't, but look at how materialistic our society is, and you're saying it doesn't? If it didn't, doctors and teachers would be making much more money than basketball and baseball players. >>
in an attempt to understand your post, i will need to break your paragraph down sentence by sentence.
Skyclad1uhm1 says that money, nor intelligence, really say anything about one's intelligence.
you reply:
Sure it does, you're fooling yourself if it doesn't.
ok let me try to understand this. you are saying how much one earns is influenced by their intelligence. you are also saying that one's title is influenced by their intelligence.
you say:
Should it? No it shouldn't, but look at how materialistic our society is, and you're saying it doesn't?
i don't know how this is relevant to your arguement. i plead with you to refrain from using analogies, as well as asking rhetorical questions, until you have somewhat mastered how to use them correctly.
you say:
If it didn't, doctors and teachers would be making much more money than basketball and baseball players.
then you say that if one's salary/title do not mean anything, then doctors and teachers would make more money than athletes. thus, the opposite of this last statment would be that since salary/titles (which according to you is influenced by intelligence) do mean something, that is the reason why doctors and teachers make less money that athletes.
you're saying intelligent people make less money. but isn't one of your points of this dragging thread that intelligent people (ie - the art history prof) make more money than "people with low intelligence" (ie - i guess that would be me, the lowly tech support whom you claim to make a little over minimum wage)?
<< We live in a meritocratic society, one in which merit equals to success and achievements... and success and achievements are often measured by ones wealth. >>
ok...so wealth, which is directly related to salary (which is directly related to intelligence), is a measure of ones achievement. so a guy who throws 100 touchdowns in a season is a genius? i only use this example of athletes becasue this statment directly follows your comment about athletes.
man, i am not even gonna touch the rest of this post because it was way to confusing to try to understand, much less break it down and try to explain it back to you. if i am interpreting this incorrectly, please do us all a favor and replace the instances where you overly abuse the pronoun "it", with what you really mean.
Claiming that someone being a prof means they're smarter than someone else is quiet naive if you ask me.
I didn't claim that... i said that's a good assumption. Here we have a phone tech support, and here we have a professor... um geez, who do you think is more intelligent.
On a personal note, if you don't mind me asking, why were you incarcerated moralpanic? You don't have to answer if you don't want to, I'm just curious
It is personal... you wouldn't believe me if i told you, so i won't. No need to start arguing over this.
Until you work in IT or any other technical service industry, you really have no idea how frustrating some people can be.
Is IT the only industry that services people with no knowledge to their problems?
If we feel like venting because we have idiots users who REFUSE to learn from their mistakes, we will do it regardless of Moralpanic's likes / dislikes.
Hey, good for you... you want a cookie?
But... if it has been explained several times, I can get annoyed if they STILL make the same mistake, especially if you specifically ask about it and they deny doing that wrong. But that concerns non-everyday hardware, something they will not encounter all that often.
Well, that's different than what most of these threads are about... most of these are 'look at this idiot i had to deal with today... he didn't know you can't boot with the floppy in the drive' etc.
how highly would you rank "survivial" in life? me personally, i rank it pretty high, if not the highest. i don't know about you though. but here a what you wrote in another thread:
'Darwinism' is survival of the fittest... and survival in this society has very much to do with how well you earn a living.
I did state that, and i do mean it. For THIS society it is all about money and being able to enjoy that money. I DON'T prescribe to this belief. Am i top dog in this society? No. Do i strive to become that? No. Does it bother me? No.
all i know is, this is one heck of a run-on sentence. i will not even try to reply to it until you've graciously revised it to a more understandable fashion.
You're an idiot... you can tell when people are unable to properly argue when they start to point out spelling and grammatical errors.
you criticize me for prejudging a prof (in a thread which was meant to be comedic), but at the same time, you also prejudge me as "low wage tech support" and being of "low intelligence". i apologized for offending you, and asked very courteously of you to stop insulting me, yet you continue to do so. i would think that is pretty shallow of you
Hey, you're the one that's still taking this personal. This has moved beyond you, we're talking generally now. Is your ego that inflated you still think our attention is still on you? Aside from this one, I stopped responding to your posts awhile ago.
i applaud you for getting your priorities straight and turning your life around. but what does this quote have to do with my original topic, which was a comedic post about a prof have a bonehead moment? or even your first reply to my post, in which you badger me?
It doesn't... that entire post was not even directed towards you, i don't know why you thought it was, most people would have picked up on the quote i did as not belonging to them and would inferred that it wasn't about them.
in an attempt to understand your post, i will need to break your paragraph down sentence by sentence.
That's your problem.. you're taking everything out of context by analysing it line by line. Take everything into context, and you'll understand what i'm arguing.
Skyclad1uhm1 says that money, nor intelligence, really say anything about one's intelligence.
you reply:
Sure it does, you're fooling yourself if it doesn't.
ok let me try to understand this. you are saying how much one earns is influenced by their intelligence. you are also saying that one's title is influenced by their intelligence
No, you're taking it out of context again. I never said there was a direct relationship between money and intelligence... and although i'm not too sure if i stated this explicitly, i would assume most people would understand that of course there isn't a direct relationship, and that if all else being equal, your salary is a decent method of measuring how intelligent one person is to the next.
i don't know how this is relevant to your arguement. i plead with you to refrain from using analogies, as well as asking rhetorical questions, until you have somewhat mastered how to use them correctly.
Because like i stated, you're reading things out of context. If you read that within the context of the argument, skyclad was stating that money/title means sh1t in this society, and i was arguing it doesn't, as can be seen by the importance we place on it.
then you say that if one's salary/title do not mean anything, then doctors and teachers would make more money than athletes. thus, the opposite of this last statment would be that since salary/titles (which according to you is influenced by intelligence) do mean something, that is the reason why doctors and teachers make less money that athletes.
I admit that at the extreme, this doesn't hold... and there will always be outliers in any large population. And i do believe doctors and teachers SHOULD be making more than athletes. Life isn't as simple as having a higher intelligence automatically resulting in your weekly check being larger, but it does mean more opportunities. But when i stated that the prof was probably more intelligent than you, and thus making 5x as much as you are, that was a pretty good assumption... and the other half of that statement was to argue that it's odd how a phone support personel, who probably has no more training than a few weeks, is giving the darwin award to somebody who spent at least a decade in higher academia.
ok...so wealth, which is directly related to salary (which is directly related to intelligence), is a measure of ones achievement. so a guy who throws 100 touchdowns in a season is a genius? i only use this example of athletes becasue this statment directly follows your comment about athletes.
When did i ever state that salary was directly related to intelligence? It doesn't, but it's a good measure when you lack any other measures. Here we have a lowly pay tech support, and here we have a prof... geez, who do you think makes more money. Who do you think is more intelligent? With all else being equal (such as your history and the prof's history being unknowns), one's salary is a good indication of their intelligence and achievement. It isn't a RULE, but it's a good assumption to make... better than most other assumptions (ie such as physical appearance).
man, i am not even gonna touch the rest of this post because it was way to confusing to try to understand, much less break it down and try to explain it back to you. if i am interpreting this incorrectly, please do us all a favor and replace the instances where you overly abuse the pronoun "it", with what you really mean
That's because you're taking everything out of context. Again, this post wasn't even directed at you... it was in arguing with Skyclad that money/title doesn't mean 'sh1t' in this society, otherwise we wouldn't place so much importance on it. As for my abuse of 'it', i have no idea where you got that from. With almost 3000 posts here, that's the first complaint i've had. I write about 2 dozen papers a year, and i've never had anybody formally complain about this. Now, who am i going to listen to... the 30 or so profs i've had who has read probably over a hundred formal papers and never had a problem with it, as well as all the thousands of posts i've posted here without a complaint, or some low tier tech support personel? Hmmmmm.
I didn't claim that... i said that's a good assumption. Here we have a phone tech support, and here we have a professor... um geez, who do you think is more intelligent.
On a personal note, if you don't mind me asking, why were you incarcerated moralpanic? You don't have to answer if you don't want to, I'm just curious
It is personal... you wouldn't believe me if i told you, so i won't. No need to start arguing over this.
Until you work in IT or any other technical service industry, you really have no idea how frustrating some people can be.
Is IT the only industry that services people with no knowledge to their problems?
If we feel like venting because we have idiots users who REFUSE to learn from their mistakes, we will do it regardless of Moralpanic's likes / dislikes.
Hey, good for you... you want a cookie?
But... if it has been explained several times, I can get annoyed if they STILL make the same mistake, especially if you specifically ask about it and they deny doing that wrong. But that concerns non-everyday hardware, something they will not encounter all that often.
Well, that's different than what most of these threads are about... most of these are 'look at this idiot i had to deal with today... he didn't know you can't boot with the floppy in the drive' etc.
how highly would you rank "survivial" in life? me personally, i rank it pretty high, if not the highest. i don't know about you though. but here a what you wrote in another thread:
'Darwinism' is survival of the fittest... and survival in this society has very much to do with how well you earn a living.
I did state that, and i do mean it. For THIS society it is all about money and being able to enjoy that money. I DON'T prescribe to this belief. Am i top dog in this society? No. Do i strive to become that? No. Does it bother me? No.
all i know is, this is one heck of a run-on sentence. i will not even try to reply to it until you've graciously revised it to a more understandable fashion.
You're an idiot... you can tell when people are unable to properly argue when they start to point out spelling and grammatical errors.
you criticize me for prejudging a prof (in a thread which was meant to be comedic), but at the same time, you also prejudge me as "low wage tech support" and being of "low intelligence". i apologized for offending you, and asked very courteously of you to stop insulting me, yet you continue to do so. i would think that is pretty shallow of you
Hey, you're the one that's still taking this personal. This has moved beyond you, we're talking generally now. Is your ego that inflated you still think our attention is still on you? Aside from this one, I stopped responding to your posts awhile ago.
i applaud you for getting your priorities straight and turning your life around. but what does this quote have to do with my original topic, which was a comedic post about a prof have a bonehead moment? or even your first reply to my post, in which you badger me?
It doesn't... that entire post was not even directed towards you, i don't know why you thought it was, most people would have picked up on the quote i did as not belonging to them and would inferred that it wasn't about them.
in an attempt to understand your post, i will need to break your paragraph down sentence by sentence.
That's your problem.. you're taking everything out of context by analysing it line by line. Take everything into context, and you'll understand what i'm arguing.
Skyclad1uhm1 says that money, nor intelligence, really say anything about one's intelligence.
you reply:
Sure it does, you're fooling yourself if it doesn't.
ok let me try to understand this. you are saying how much one earns is influenced by their intelligence. you are also saying that one's title is influenced by their intelligence
No, you're taking it out of context again. I never said there was a direct relationship between money and intelligence... and although i'm not too sure if i stated this explicitly, i would assume most people would understand that of course there isn't a direct relationship, and that if all else being equal, your salary is a decent method of measuring how intelligent one person is to the next.
i don't know how this is relevant to your arguement. i plead with you to refrain from using analogies, as well as asking rhetorical questions, until you have somewhat mastered how to use them correctly.
Because like i stated, you're reading things out of context. If you read that within the context of the argument, skyclad was stating that money/title means sh1t in this society, and i was arguing it doesn't, as can be seen by the importance we place on it.
then you say that if one's salary/title do not mean anything, then doctors and teachers would make more money than athletes. thus, the opposite of this last statment would be that since salary/titles (which according to you is influenced by intelligence) do mean something, that is the reason why doctors and teachers make less money that athletes.
I admit that at the extreme, this doesn't hold... and there will always be outliers in any large population. And i do believe doctors and teachers SHOULD be making more than athletes. Life isn't as simple as having a higher intelligence automatically resulting in your weekly check being larger, but it does mean more opportunities. But when i stated that the prof was probably more intelligent than you, and thus making 5x as much as you are, that was a pretty good assumption... and the other half of that statement was to argue that it's odd how a phone support personel, who probably has no more training than a few weeks, is giving the darwin award to somebody who spent at least a decade in higher academia.
ok...so wealth, which is directly related to salary (which is directly related to intelligence), is a measure of ones achievement. so a guy who throws 100 touchdowns in a season is a genius? i only use this example of athletes becasue this statment directly follows your comment about athletes.
When did i ever state that salary was directly related to intelligence? It doesn't, but it's a good measure when you lack any other measures. Here we have a lowly pay tech support, and here we have a prof... geez, who do you think makes more money. Who do you think is more intelligent? With all else being equal (such as your history and the prof's history being unknowns), one's salary is a good indication of their intelligence and achievement. It isn't a RULE, but it's a good assumption to make... better than most other assumptions (ie such as physical appearance).
man, i am not even gonna touch the rest of this post because it was way to confusing to try to understand, much less break it down and try to explain it back to you. if i am interpreting this incorrectly, please do us all a favor and replace the instances where you overly abuse the pronoun "it", with what you really mean
That's because you're taking everything out of context. Again, this post wasn't even directed at you... it was in arguing with Skyclad that money/title doesn't mean 'sh1t' in this society, otherwise we wouldn't place so much importance on it. As for my abuse of 'it', i have no idea where you got that from. With almost 3000 posts here, that's the first complaint i've had. I write about 2 dozen papers a year, and i've never had anybody formally complain about this. Now, who am i going to listen to... the 30 or so profs i've had who has read probably over a hundred formal papers and never had a problem with it, as well as all the thousands of posts i've posted here without a complaint, or some low tier tech support personel? Hmmmmm.
Spanky, don't waste your time. The guy's an irrational moron with no sense of how to make a point. He's just trying to get you fired up without actually having a legitimate argument of his own.
Maybe he's offended because he once had to call tech support for the same thing.
Maybe he's offended because he once had to call tech support for the same thing.
<< Until you work in IT or any other technical service industry, you really have no idea how frustrating some people can be.
Is IT the only industry that services people with no knowledge to their problems? >>
Did you even read that sentence when you quoted it? It says ANY OTHER TECHNICAL SERVICE. Fvckface.
<< If we feel like venting because we have idiots users who REFUSE to learn from their mistakes, we will do it regardless of Moralpanic's likes / dislikes.
Hey, good for you... you want a cookie?
>>
Yes I do, but maybe I'll just take your sister instead. You can shove your holier-than-thou-anti-tech-bitching-about-users crap right back in your stank little ass.
Maybe he's offended because he once had to call tech support for the same thing.
Is that the extent of your ability to creatively disparage somebody?
Is that the extent of your ability to creatively disparage somebody?
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