Moral Question

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Hardcore
Well it was implied if you believe the Amish method could take care of such things as raising a child, adequate living for a woman and her children, and for the elderly. Sure sounds like economics to me.

Ok, yeah I guess. I'm not so sure it would be socialism though. I firmly believe that a dictatorship is the most efficient form of government though.

And yet you notice how the Amish has marriages as well. There's a difference to helping people in times of needs, and a required service that permeates every facet of your life.

The Amish are very religious, of course they use marriage.

 

[Corporate Thug]

tell her

 

[Kibbo]

A dictatorship is not the most efficient form of government. It leads to complacency and corruption. If there is no competition for government, then there is no good government. Look at the GDP growth rates of democracies vs dictatorships. Dictatorships will grow more slowly. In most cases that are exceptions, there was some other form of competition in the leadership classes.

In any form of government, there will be have and have-nots, even in the elite classes. If a segment of the elite classes feels that they are not getting a fair bargain, they will find a way to take it. Democracy is one way to ensure that they will have a shot at the spoils of power, thus they don't need to take more drastic action.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Kibbo
A dictatorship is not the most efficient form of government. It leads to complacency and corruption. If there is no competition for government, then there is no good government. Look at the GDP growth rates of democracies vs dictatorships. Dictatorships will grow more slowly. In most cases that are exceptions, there was some other form of competition in the leadership classes.

In any form of government, there will be have and have-nots, even in the elite classes. If a segment of the elite classes feels that they are not getting a fair bargain, they will find a way to take it. Democracy is one way to ensure that they will have a shot at the spoils of power, thus they don't need to take more drastic action.

Democracies and Republics are systems based on waste. Look at our own government, and the appointed president now in charge. We have made terms that basically mean to waste time and money (fillabuster), we have ways to ensure that nothing is accomplished (committees and subcommittees). It's a failed experiment.

 

[Manzelle]

I find it's best to stay out of other people's affairs...no pun intended...

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: blodhi74
my co-worker is cheating on his wife ....should I inform her or fvsk her ?? .... I dont know his wife very well

even better!

 

[purepolly]

This whole thread has me laughing. It is a very sad commentary on the state of this society, when the majority of the respondents are unwilling to intervene in a situation were they know a person is being hurt.

If this coworker were physically injuring his wife would you do intervene? Or would you stand around saying as long as it doesn't effect me I'm not going to get involved.

Crap, are you adults or children playing at being adults?

 

[NakaNaka]

Originally posted by: purepolly
This whole thread has me laughing. It is a very sad commentary on the state of this society, when the majority of the respondents are unwilling to intervene in a situation were they know a person is being hurt.

If this coworker were physically injuring his wife would you do intervene? Or would you stand around saying as long as it doesn't effect me I'm not going to get involved.

Crap, are you adults or children playing at being adults?

purepolly - It would be different if this guy was his best friend or if he was friends with the guys wife. But a co-worker? That could be one of 250 people in a company or something and they don't know each other very well. Now, am I saying he should do nothing? No. I honestly don't know what I would do.

And comparing it to him hitting her is just not right. If he hits her, it's a felony. Adultery is not.

 

[purepolly]

purepolly - It would be different if this guy was his best friend or if he was friends with the guys wife. But a co-worker? That could be one of 250 people in a company or something and they don't know each other very well. Now, am I saying he should do nothing? No. I honestly don't know what I would do.

I applaude your honesty AND your indecision - simply because you are aware of the possibility that you do not know what you would do. Clearly, you are fully willing to consider the situation and all of its ramifications.

And comparing it to him hitting her is just not right. If he hits her, it's a felony. Adultery is not.[/quote]

Hitting her is a blatent physical attack, cheating on her is a hidden emotional, spiritual and physical attack. Which is the more dangerous for the victim?

 

[Bryophyte]

It is inappropriate for you to interfere with the private lives of people you supervise. You are not the boss of him after he leaves work at the end of the day. You might think he is a scum for what he is doing (and I would agree with you), but you would be WAY out of line to interfere in his private life.

 

[purepolly]

my co-worker is cheating on his wife ....should I inform her or fvsk her ?? .... I dont know his wife very wellText

The question asked related to the OP's possible moral responsibility to the wife, NOT the coworker. I agree that the coworker is scum, but that doesn't change the fact that the wife is in danger and may not be aware of the situation.

 

[Eli]

This isn't a moral issue.

 

[MartyMcFly3]

But, how do we know the wife isn't also getting something on the side when his coworker is at work?

 

[Red Dawn]

MYOB!

 

[purepolly]

Originally posted by: Eli
This isn't a moral issue.

Definitions of moral on the Web:

the significance of a story or event; "the moral of the story is to love thy neighbor"
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relating to principles of right and wrong; i.e. to morals or ethics; "moral philosophy"
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concerned with principles of right and wrong or conforming to standards of behavior and character based on those principles; "moral sense"; "a moral scrutiny"; "a moral lesson"; "a moral quandary"; "moral convictions"; "a moral life"
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adhering to ethical and moral principles; "it seems ethical and right"; "followed the only honorable course of action"; "had the moral courage to stand alone"
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arising from the sense of right and wrong; "a moral obligation"
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psychological rather than physical or tangible in effect; "a moral victory"; "moral support"
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based on strong likelihood or firm conviction rather than actual evidence; "a moral certainty"
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relating to, dealing with, or capable of making the distinction between, right and wrong in conduct; relating to, serving to teach, or in accordance with, the principles of right and wrong; good or right in conduct or character
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relating to, dealing with, or capable of making the distinction between right and wrong in conduct.
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Synonym for "ethical." See ethics.
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good according to a standard of right and wrong, as in: The moral thing to do isn't always the popular thing to do.
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knowing right from wrong behavior.
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"1 a : of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior : ETHICAL"
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The moral Gower. John Gower, the poet, is so called by Chaucer. (1320-1402.) Father of moral philosophy. Thomas Aquinas (1227-1274).
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able to know right from wrong in conduct; deciding and acting from that understanding.
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(adjective) virtuous, doing the right thing
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referring to what is right and wrong, good and bad, with emphasis on overt behavior-acts, habits, and customs. Levels of moral reasoning include preconventional morality, based on avoiding punishment and striving for pleasure; conventional morality, based on pleasing others and doing one's duty as prescribed by authorities; and postconventional morality, based on mutual consent and personal conviction. See ethics.
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The moral perspective in which one knows the good, proper, and right. The moral perspective is played out through one's motives, intentions, and actions as they impinge on or affect other human beings.
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A lesson learned from a mediation
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Relating to right and wrong as determined by duty.
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Dude, it's a moral issue.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
MYOB!

Yep.

 

[purepolly]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
But, how do we know the wife isn't also getting something on the side when his coworker is at work?

That's a copout question. You're diverting from the real question.

What would you do?

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Originally posted by: purepolly

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
But, how do we know the wife isn't also getting something on the side when his coworker is at work?

That's a copout question. You're diverting from the real question.

What would you do?

Its not a copout question. Its a mitigating factor. Maybe she was the first to cheat on him and because of that, he's cheating on her. As for what i'd do, at most would be leave an anonymous phone call while he's at work.

 

[purepolly]

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Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
But, how do we know the wife isn't also getting something on the side when his coworker is at work?
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That's a copout question. You're diverting from the real question.

What would you do?
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Its not a copout question. Its a mitigating factor. Maybe she was the first to cheat on him and because of that, he's cheating on her. As for what i'd do, at most would be leave an anonymous phone call while he's at work.

It's not a mitigating factor - because you have no evidence of her cheating on him. It was your attempt to rationalize his poor behavior to make the situation more palatable to you.

For what is's worth, I would also do the anonymous phone call.

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Im just saying its a possibility. Truth is, none of us know whats really going on with those two. Most likely the guy's an asshat and cheating his wife. Im just saying there could be reasons that he did it. Doesn't make it right (unless she wanted like an open marriage or something), but was just throwing it out there for thought.

 

[feelingshorter]

Originally posted by: Hardcore
If my gf or wife was cheating on me and her coworker knew, i would have appreciated being told.

yep...sucks for her

 

[purepolly]

Im just saying its a possibility. Truth is, none of us know whats really going on with those two. Most likely the guy's an asshat and cheating his wife. Im just saying there could be reasons that he did it. Doesn't make it right (unless she wanted like an open marriage or something), but was just throwing it out there for thought.

You're right, sadly we don't know the details of the situation. And, as difficult as it is for us to deal with the mental concepts of adultery in a forum, it is worse for those who have to go through it. In the best case scenario, the wife knows and okay with it or in the "worst" case, the wife doesn't know and ends up with AIDS or some other STD from the jerk.

So if it's your spouse cheating on you? Do YOU want to know?

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Originally posted by: purepolly
Im just saying its a possibility. Truth is, none of us know whats really going on with those two. Most likely the guy's an asshat and cheating his wife. Im just saying there could be reasons that he did it. Doesn't make it right (unless she wanted like an open marriage or something), but was just throwing it out there for thought.

You're right, sadly we don't know the details of the situation. And, as difficult as it is for us to deal with the mental concepts of adultery in a forum, it is worse for those who have to go through it. In the best case scenario, the wife knows and okay with it or in the "worst" case, the wife doesn't know and ends up with AIDS or some other STD from the jerk.

So if it's your spouse cheating on you? Do YOU want to know?

yeah which is why i said id make an anonymous phone call while hes at work.

 

[purepolly]

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Originally posted by: purepolly
Im just saying its a possibility. Truth is, none of us know whats really going on with those two. Most likely the guy's an asshat and cheating his wife. Im just saying there could be reasons that he did it. Doesn't make it right (unless she wanted like an open marriage or something), but was just throwing it out there for thought.

You're right, sadly we don't know the details of the situation. And, as difficult as it is for us to deal with the mental concepts of adultery in a forum, it is worse for those who have to go through it. In the best case scenario, the wife knows and okay with it or in the "worst" case, the wife doesn't know and ends up with AIDS or some other STD from the jerk.

So if it's your spouse cheating on you? Do YOU want to know?
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yeah which is why i said id make an anonymous phone call while hes at work.,


Yeah, but only after trying to cop out of the whole situation first. And no, I'm not making fun of you, just trying to blast you out of your complacency.

You're a pretty cool sport McFly.


The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
-- Edmund Burke

 

[MartyMcFly3]

I didnt say I would get all the details first, just throwing it out there to think about. If i found out id do the call and wash my hands of it. I don't like prying in people's lives unless someone is getting hurt. She is, so the call would be made.