Unless you are the one he is boning, it's none of your business. Marriage is just a sham to try and reeducate people after potentially millions of years of nature doing its thing. Marriage is unnatural.
Well most animals also practice what we would call rape... should that mean we should live by the natural laws and allow rapes?
Their courting rituals are a bit different than ours, that doesn't make it rape.
But that doesn't change my argument one bit. Marriage is a construct by oppressive religion in order to limit the species and put a buck in their own coffers.
If you've got some sort of solid proof, I vote for telling the spouse. Something along the lines of
"Hello, Mrs. X? Hi, this is Mr. Y. The reason I'm calling today, is that I've been put into a very difficult position by your husband. Unfortunately, I am a witness to his infidelty and I felt a moral obligation to inform you of it. No, I'm not crazy; I've got a polaroid right here."
Probably could use some polish, but it's beddy-time for moi.
"Hello, Mrs. X? Hi, this is Mr. Y. The reason I'm calling today, is that I've been put into a very difficult position by your husband. Unfortunately, I am a witness to his infidelty and I felt a moral obligation to inform you of it. No, I'm not crazy; I've got a polaroid right here."
Probably could use some polish, but it's beddy-time for moi.
Sorry, can't say that I look for that. I have watched a bunch of animal planet at work though, can't say I've heard the word rape.
Name 3 exclusively monogamous mammals. Explain why the Catholic church first got involved in marriages. It's a sham.
Are you so sure about that? Are you so sure that it was Christianity that created marriages? How do you know that marriages were not practiced long before that, and perhaps it extended as far back as when we were more primitive.
But hell, lets say you're right and organized religion created marriages (LOL), that doesn't mean when a man and woman took the vows, that they didn't mean for it to be sincere. If you're unhappy with the institutional nature of marriage or with the restrictions of marriage, THEN DON'T GET MARRIED.
You really think it was the Catholic church that created marriages?!?! *boggle*
I can guarantee you marriages happened in ancient times LONG before Christ was born. Even the ancient Greeks and Chinese had marriages... although marriages back then weren't a union of love, but rather of who can pay what (and believe it or not, it was the girl's family that had to pay the man to accept her).
Obviously not. In fact, in that post I did not mention Catholicism.
Of course they mean for it to be sincere. That's why, what? 50% of marriages end in divorce.
Don't plan on it. It's a lose lose situation.
Reading is fundamental. Try it.
Blah blah blah. READ. Please. Yes, I understand the whole dowry thing.
Well since you seem to have all the answers, care to explain in something that's more than one sentence terms then? Marriages may have been accepted into religion, but that doesn't mean religion created marriages or that it controlled it. Marriage is a concept that ALL humanity has created, even in cultures that never had contact with other... whether you're talking about Europeans, about Chinese, about Inuits, or about a remote tribe in the Amazon jungle that never met any civilized people... they all have some form of marriage.
It's a needed concept on so many level. First, a man would find it difficult to support a woman and her child unless he was sure it was his. One of the most ancient fear of a man is to look into a child's face, and wonder if the child is his or not. And humans babies are born the absolutely most vulnerable beings on this planet. Every other creature infant's on this planet is not as helpless as a human baby, and isn't so helpless for so long. Of course a marriage doesn't absolutely guarantee anything, but it's a reassurance.
DrPizza
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And all of these varied cultures do not have a religion? I'd be willing to wager that marriage is associated with religion in most of these cases.
The luxury of knowing a child is yours is inconsequential, the child is what is important. It continues the species. A mother/father family is also a luxury. And frankly, it's not working out too well these days.
Again you're missing the point. Did religion create these marriages, or did religion adopt the marriages? I would say religion adopt the marriages to provide more meaning for people. When you marry somebody, in ALL these religions, it's for a lifetime commitment. Even if the marriages are arranged, people fall in love with another... and want to believe that they'll be together after death as well. That's where religion comes in.
And again, since you seem to have the answers, CARE TO EXPLAIN IT. How is it that religion created these marriages... and how are they profiting from them?
And would you raise another person's child simply to continue the species? Please, you're clueless as to how the world really works.
A luxury in this last century maybe... but for the last 200,000 years, it was damn important.
If you follow the bible from the beginning, there were marriages quite early on. Besides that, I can't think of many sources of information on the subject.
Yes. In the past I have considered adoption, and have found it to be a viable alternative to fathering children.
It was never necessary, and since we don't have a way to judge there is no way we can say it was the best way for things to develop. It worked for a while, but it definitely does not work now. I don't think it was every important, but like I said, there is no way for us to know for sure.
LOL it's obvious you've never given this any thought, and that you're incapable of any meaningful introspection on history. How would a woman take care of an infant without a father when there are no supermarkets to pick up groceries at, no water faucet you can turn on for hot water, no electric stove you can simply turn a knob for heat, etc? Multiply that by millions, and see how well of a society you'll have.
And lets not forget what the children brings to the parents. Believe it or not, there was a time when there weren't retirement plans... and the elderly were dependent on their children in their elder years. So although the men could enjoy a youthful life full of fun and sex, and not worry about a family, eventually they would reach an age when they wouldn't be able to support themselves.
There was also a time when people didn't just choose their careers either, but their living involved the whole family. Whether it was a blacksmith and his forge, or the farmer and his farm... they required children to help them, both as children and as adults. And the wives to take care of the house and raise the children.
There's a reason why EVERY society on earth has some form of marriage.
I have thought about it. How do the Amish put up a barn? They work together as a community. Just because the woman does not have a husband does not mean the men are going to let the community die by not taking care of the women and children.
Socialism doesn't work.... at least not in large societies. How large are these Amish communities? Have you ever seen an Amish community of several hundred thousand that successfully share their labor like this? Just because you can cite an analogy or witty quote, doesn't make it true.
Who said anything about Socialism? I don't even see a mention of economics in my post, although I guess it could be stretched from family to economics.
No, they aren't 100s of thousands of people large. I never said it was a perfect solution. A perfect solution does not exist, but by looking at various ideas a better solution may present itself.
Well it was implied if you believe the Amish method could take care of such things as raising a child, adequate living for a woman and her children, and for the elderly. Sure sounds like economics to me.
No, they aren't 100s of thousands of people large. I never said it was a perfect solution. A perfect solution does not exist, but by looking at various ideas a better solution may present itself.[/quote]
And yet you notice how the Amish has marriages as well. There's a difference to helping people in times of needs, and a required service that permeates every facet of your life.
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