Mood changes in P&N

[Steeplerot]

I see a LOT more left leaning since the debates.
Aside fromthe usual troll who most likley aren't republicans anyhow
(Leftist trolls trying to make right look stupid)
I can see here and there since I have been lurking and occasionaly posting this place
goes back and forth a lot, after RNC big Iraq news it tends to get pretty nasty in here.
Why aren't the bushies out in force a lot aren't even around.

Did they reaccess about their positions since seeing Bush speak in real life?

Also I have noticed the left was anti-bush but Kerry posts did not get much attention
but from right wing trolls.
Did anyone else go from just being just anti-admistration to pro-Kerry since you saw
the debates?
The right has grown pretty quiet this is sad to me as I always like to hear a good counterpoint
and have a few times used stuff from the right here to debunk some things I would not have seen.
No, I do not support bushie-boy in any way but this is a democracy but it seems sad to say
georgies stupidity seems to have knocked the wind out of the conservatives.
Your observations?
I apologise for really bad formatting I try not to post too much long stuff cuz I know you all get your panties in a wad about my english

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Everytime I glance at P&N it seems to be one big lefties circle jerk... I think all the righties just got tired of it and left. Saw some much more civilized and balanced discussions of the debates in OT...

 

[Steeplerot]

Yeah, I don't read OT that much maybe I will start skimming it more often.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu
Everytime I glance at P&N it seems to be one big lefties circle jerk... I think all the righties just got tired of it and left. Saw some much more civilized and balanced discussions of the debates in OT...

I think the war on Iraq, as it's progressed, has revealed the failures of the Bush administration. I know myself and Red Dawn are "converts" from supporting the war to realizing the ideological fiasco it's become.

That, and perhaps others who supported Bush in the past realize the f-ups but aren't willing to admit it and have slunk off to other boards where they can engage in righty "circle jerks"

 

[Steeplerot]

Well I guess it is up to the Libertarians to keep the hope of non-talkingpoint debate alive. There are a few on here (I think)
The left, well I think Kerry has our bases covered in issues to talk about but keep up the good work.

 

[daveshel]

Hopefully good reasoning convinced a few to take another look, after which there wasn't that much to say.

 

[cwjerome]

It seems to me like many people are trying to make AnandTech P&N a DrudgeReport for the Libs, where anything that could be construed as bad for Bush is headlined and pounded into the ground. They trot out their articles of people against Bush... it's almost like a DNC campaign site. Most of their arguments totally suck because they're helplessly cynical and pessimistic, and insult and demean the posters and millions of people who "don't think like them". Basically it's mean-spirited people with a heavy ideological axe to grind.

That said, I'm new here and I still try and discuss ideas (like "planet america", "the draft", "are all cultures equal", etc) without boiling things down to Dem vs Rep and Lib vs Con... even though people spitting out their neocon crap and Bush hating still post their priceless party slogans. I'm sure I'll eventually lose interest... life goes on.

 

[Steeplerot]

I see that in people cw and I think this is good. I always try to question my idealogies for the better or maybe just a check every once in awhile to make sure I am not getting off-base on
what I am looking into. I just wish more people would have an open mind. I guess that makes me a flip-flopper
This is not a football game lol.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu
Everytime I glance at P&N it seems to be one big lefties circle jerk... I think all the righties just got tired of it and left. Saw some much more civilized and balanced discussions of the debates in OT...

Nah. What really happens is that Lefties are discussing things, then a Righty jumps into the Middle of what they term to be a Circle Jerk. :roll:

There's plenty of room for Intelligent Right comments/Threads, if one should choose to post them.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
It seems to me like many people are trying to make AnandTech P&N a DrudgeReport for the Libs, where anything that could be construed as bad for Bush is headlined and pounded into the ground. They trot out their articles of people against Bush... it's almost like a DNC campaign site. Most of their arguments totally suck because they're helplessly cynical and pessimistic, and insult and demean the posters and millions of people who "don't think like them". Basically it's mean-spirited people with a heavy ideological axe to grind.

That said, I'm new here and I still try and discuss ideas (like "planet america", "the draft", "are all cultures equal", etc) without boiling things down to Dem vs Rep and Lib vs Con... even though people spitting out their neocon crap and Bush hating still post their priceless party slogans. I'm sure I'll eventually lose interest... life goes on.

I REALLY hate this kind of whining, not because it makes you sound like a whiney person (and it does), but because it's simply NOT TRUE. Yeah, liberals represent a majority, but it is by no means a total, or even close to total, majority. And every time I see someone bashing Bush, there's a "neocon" right around the corner to call everyone a bunch of baggy pants college kid communists.

I'll agree that P&N can be kind of childish sometimes, but there are good discussions if you are willing to look. Of course I don't see you as being very willing to look, you've been here only a short time and you've already fallen into complaining about the "vast liberal conspiracy" on ATP&N. Perhaps I've been hitting the bong too often, but every time I come here I see dozens of comments from Bush supporters that are either worth discussing or calling them the crap that they are.

The point is, you guys complaining about "liberal bias" while the board is full of pro-Bush facts/opinions/crap is like those "baggy pants college kids" you love to hate protesting in public that they don't have any freedom of speech.

 

[Moonbeam]

I think the folks on the right are subject to so much sphincter pressure from anal retention a black hole forms and their heads are sucked up their asses and they disappear.

 

[jackschmittusa]

cwjerome

I think I have always been cynical about politicians in the sense that I am always skeptical about their motivations and agendas, and I really feel that that is a good thing. Don't want to be one the lemmings you know.

GWB has, unfortunately, made me a pessimist, and I will continue to be as long as he is in office. I have never seen the current level of government secrecy ever before. I think making pre-emptive war an acceptable policy will pay many terrible dividends in the future. I think the pursuit of and possible use of new tactical nukes is an incredable impediment to non-proliferation. I think the BS used to take us to war in Iraq is unexcusable. I truly think that our country was recently a pillar in the world community and was accorded enough prestige and influence that we had the potential to lead other nations to greater heights. Sadly, all that is gone now.

While not everyone may share my take on things, this is an honest assessment of my current world view. Sometimes, it's hard to know whether to scream or weep. I have chosen sides and will cast my vote, not with the belief that the country and the world will reach some utopian level, but only that it may be better.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu
Everytime I glance at P&N it seems to be one big lefties circle jerk... I think all the righties just got tired of it and left. Saw some much more civilized and balanced discussions of the debates in OT...

I think the war on Iraq, as it's progressed, has revealed the failures of the Bush administration. I know myself and Red Dawn are "converts" from supporting the war to realizing the ideological fiasco it's become.

That, and perhaps others who supported Bush in the past realize the f-ups but aren't willing to admit it and have slunk off to other boards where they can engage in righty "circle jerks"

LOL, this place is the lefty circle jerk haven and conjur is the lube dispenser . I think a lot has to do with a few leftist trolls being elite now. Theirs a huge double standard set in this place for locking threads and people are probably tired of it.

 

[CaptnKirk]

There are some of us that no longer will accept the constant stream of lies from the Administration as Gospel,
and others that chant their Matra, no matter how unbeleivable it is.

Do you believe Bush's line anymore, after the falsification of 'facts' about Iraq ?

 

[arsbanned]

cwjerome

...here anything that could be construed as bad for Bush is headlined...

That's not very hard to do. The Bush administration has put itself in this position. It's not as though the "liberals" are making things up.
I disagree with the premise that the Conservatives have backed off in here. Quite the opposite. Case in point, nutxo making obscene comments about those questioning this President 2 posts above mine. Seems like a typical day to me.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: steeplerot

The right has grown pretty quiet this is sad to me as I always like to hear a good counterpoint
and have a few times used stuff from the right here to debunk some things I would not have seen.

What "good" counterpoints???

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
There are some of us that no longer will accept the constant stream of lies from the Administration as Gospel,
and others that chant their Matra, no matter how unbeleivable it is.

Do you believe Bush's line anymore, after the falsification of 'facts' about Iraq ?

Do you believe Bush's line anymore, after the falsification of 'facts' about Iraq ?

That's the problem right there.

The Radical Fanatic Right that would jump off a bridge if Bush told them to believe his LIES even still to this day after it has been proven by the World to be in fact LIES.

It's beyond scary.

I never would've thought I would see Americans so easily brainwashed. Further proof of our abysmal Education system, these people apparently never learned anything in History class.

 

[Isla]

I can't speak for this board, but I can give you a glimpse into my own little political microcosm.

Unfortunately, the mood change here has turned into one of sorrow for my husband. Of course, 4 years ago he made my life hell because I wouldn't vote for Bush. Now he says, "First time, shame on Bush. Second time, shame on me."

You see, my husband, the ex-republican on-fire-for-Kerry (or anyone who isn't Bush) baby democrat has been trying to witness to his family members.

After putting lots of energy and intelligent arguments into his case (which is mostly, READ FOR YOURSELF THE FACTS!!!) his younger brother sent him an RNC funded ad labelling Kerry a 'flip flopper'.

I'm having to keep my mouth shut (what did he expect?), especially the part about how nice it is that we are no longer on the religious-nuts-for-Bush email newsletter mailing list thanks to my husband's 'outing' of us. Heh. Unfortunately, I suspect they may try laying hands on us to heal us from our afflictions at Thanksgiving dinner. And if I run screaming from the room, it will only prove that I am demonically possessed.


I really can't wait for all of this to be over.

 

[Spamela]

there were ordinary people (& congressmen) defending nixon
to the bitter end. illusions die hard.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: Isla
I can't speak for this board, but I can give you a glimpse into my own little political microcosm.

Unfortunately, the mood change here has turned into one of sorrow for my husband. Of course, 4 years ago he made my life hell because I wouldn't vote for Bush. Now he says, "First time, shame on Bush. Second time, shame on me."

You see, my husband, the ex-republican on-fire-for-Kerry (or anyone who isn't Bush) baby democrat has been trying to witness to his family members.

After putting lots of energy and intelligent arguments into his case (which is mostly, READ FOR YOURSELF THE FACTS!!!) his younger brother sent him an RNC funded ad labelling Kerry a 'flip flopper'.

I'm having to keep my mouth shut (what did he expect?), especially the part about how nice it is that we are no longer on the religious-nuts-for-Bush email newsletter mailing list thanks to my husband's 'outing' of us. Heh. Unfortunately, I suspect they may try laying hands on us to heal us from our afflictions at Thanksgiving dinner. And if I run screaming from the room, it will only prove that I am demonically possessed.


I really can't wait for all of this to be over.

Wow. It sounds like a pretty difficult situation. My inlaws are also Republican ...ahem...drones (of the the marble mouthed "let's turn the darned place into glass and be done with it, buffay" variety), but-fortunately- mostly avoid any discussion of politics. Interestingly, all of their children-3 daughters-vote Democratic every election. Thankfully, I should say.
Good luck!

 

[Engineer]

It's a major election year. Country almost evenly split. One party has all of the "majority" power and the other wants some (all) of it back.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: cwjerome
It seems to me like many people are trying to make AnandTech P&N a DrudgeReport for the Libs, where anything that could be construed as bad for Bush is headlined and pounded into the ground. They trot out their articles of people against Bush... it's almost like a DNC campaign site. Most of their arguments totally suck because they're helplessly cynical and pessimistic, and insult and demean the posters and millions of people who "don't think like them". Basically it's mean-spirited people with a heavy ideological axe to grind.

That said, I'm new here and I still try and discuss ideas (like "planet america", "the draft", "are all cultures equal", etc) without boiling things down to Dem vs Rep and Lib vs Con... even though people spitting out their neocon crap and Bush hating still post their priceless party slogans. I'm sure I'll eventually lose interest... life goes on.

I REALLY hate this kind of whining, not because it makes you sound like a whiney person (and it does), but because it's simply NOT TRUE. Yeah, liberals represent a majority, but it is by no means a total, or even close to total, majority. And every time I see someone bashing Bush, there's a "neocon" right around the corner to call everyone a bunch of baggy pants college kid communists.

I'll agree that P&N can be kind of childish sometimes, but there are good discussions if you are willing to look. Of course I don't see you as being very willing to look, you've been here only a short time and you've already fallen into complaining about the "vast liberal conspiracy" on ATP&N. Perhaps I've been hitting the bong too often, but every time I come here I see dozens of comments from Bush supporters that are either worth discussing or calling them the crap that they are.

The point is, you guys complaining about "liberal bias" while the board is full of pro-Bush facts/opinions/crap is like those "baggy pants college kids" you love to hate protesting in public that they don't have any freedom of speech.

I don't think he's being whiney at all, at least, not any whinier than you are in return.

He mostly right too. There is an overwhelming left bias in this and many other online forums. A persual of the topics on the front page of P&N demonstrates that pretty well. Unfortunately, I think the liberals are allowing the propensity of online forums that skew to the left to skew their own perception of their numbers and influence. The online world is not a reflection of the real world. The silent majority still exists and the largest constituency of that majority are conservatives who will be voting for Bush.

We will wait and see in a few weeks, but I think the liberals are going to end up a bit stunned by the final numbers, probably wondering where all the neocon cockcroaches came crawling out from under the wordwork from.

 

[Ferocious]

The silent majority still exists and the largest constituency of that majority are conservatives who will be voting for Bush.

Could be true.

And quite sad, since only conservatives that place a much higher importance on the bible than they do the country could possibly wanna see Bush re-elected.

 

[Gravity]

I think your observation about the leftist majority on this board is accurate. I don't know if I agree with you on the absence or reduction on neocon posts since I believe it would have to be totally anectdotal.

Personally, I've enjoyed the discussion on this forum. It give me something to do during the pauses of my day. however, I don't always enjoy the personal attacks from the left, despite my fair and balanced point of view (yeah, right).

I'm old enough to know that some folks will never be mature enough to have a rational discussion on topic and my skin is thick enough to take the banal attempts at badgering so it all seems to work.

The tone of the boards will most likely get harsher as we approach the election and then reach a fever pitch as the lawyers, not the voters decide who will be the next president.

Sometime in the spring, prolly past the typical time of inauguration, we will find out who the courts will allow to lead for the next 4 years, then the boards will again change tempo and tone with the victors touting their man and the vanquished raising their vitriolic posts in protest.

Good times for all, that's for sure, with plenty of roles to play for either party, regardless of outcome. I look forward to the days/weeks ahead!!

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Isla
I can't speak for this board, but I can give you a glimpse into my own little political microcosm.

Unfortunately, the mood change here has turned into one of sorrow for my husband. Of course, 4 years ago he made my life hell because I wouldn't vote for Bush. Now he says, "First time, shame on Bush. Second time, shame on me."

You see, my husband, the ex-republican on-fire-for-Kerry (or anyone who isn't Bush) baby democrat has been trying to witness to his family members.

After putting lots of energy and intelligent arguments into his case (which is mostly, READ FOR YOURSELF THE FACTS!!!) his younger brother sent him an RNC funded ad labelling Kerry a 'flip flopper'.

I'm having to keep my mouth shut (what did he expect?), especially the part about how nice it is that we are no longer on the religious-nuts-for-Bush email newsletter mailing list thanks to my husband's 'outing' of us. Heh. Unfortunately, I suspect they may try laying hands on us to heal us from our afflictions at Thanksgiving dinner. And if I run screaming from the room, it will only prove that I am demonically possessed.


I really can't wait for all of this to be over.

I have heard that 'behind every good man is a good woman'.

The Republican party will welcome both of you back when your husband realizes his error.