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[BenSkywalker]

It is overpriced and I have to lol at "for mixed media uses right now Apple and Sony are neck and neck"

iPod Touch + iPhone have a combined installed based a bit behind the PSP, of course that includeds non 3G, but they are comparable in installed base atm, you can laugh if you want to, some people laugh when you say the sky is blue, doesn't change reality.

Seriously, it doesn't come close to the touch in functionality.

How so? Seriously, I must hear this. I have been extremely underwhelmed with the touch, particularly at its' price point.

Anyone primarily wanting an mp3 player that plays video and has a nice browser/email tool will not even consider the PSP.

Well, we know for a fact you are wrong there.

A PSP 3000 with some expandable memory.

That saves a lot too. $6.02 total, of course you don't get the media tools package that the PSP Go comes with, or the more compact and lighter unit. You do get a larger screen, but one with interlacing issues. But hey, you save that $6.02.

Of course we don't need to buy it. We can still explain why we choose not to buy, and claiming that is "hatin'" makes you look foolish.

I could list a bunch of reasons not to buy a tractor, all of them factual. The fact that I have zero interest in owning such a machine would make me listing the reasons a good example of 'hatin' I would say.

 

[DaveSimmons]

I could list a bunch of reasons not to buy a tractor, all of them factual. The fact that I have zero interest in owning such a machine would make me listing the reasons a good example of 'hatin' I would say.

We're console gamers not farmers in this forum, so yes if we discussed reasons not to buy a tractor for the apartment it would be silly.

Discussing why we won't pay $80 extra to add a new console to our collection is not.

 

[BenSkywalker]

We're console gamers not farmers in this forum, so yes if we discussed reasons not to buy a tractor for the apartment it would be silly.

It would make morse sense to me then a bunch of people on a tech forum dismissing 16GB of flash RAM added to a portable device that had none to start with, which you yourself just did 🙂

Discussing why we won't pay $80 extra to add a new console to our collection is not.

You mean $6.02? I looked for the best deal too, GameStop it is $240 just for the 16GB- so that would have you saving $160 going with the PSP Go. Also ignores the better form factor for media purposes(I wouldn't mind seeing it a bit smaller still honestly).

 

[DaveSimmons]

We also discuss why $100 wifi adapters and $1/GB hard drives for the xbox are a ripoff, is that hatin' too?

 

[BenSkywalker]

We also discuss why $100 wifi adapters and $1/GB hard drives for the xbox are a ripoff, is that hatin' too?

It is a $6.02 difference from the best deal I could find on a comparable memory setup with the PSP3K, and that ignores the bundled software. This isn't like you are paying a x00% markup difference as you are on the 360 accessories.

 

[DaveSimmons]

This isn't like you are paying a x00% markup difference as you are on the 360 accessories.

Actually you are, memory stick prices are inflated compared to SD cards: Newegg has several SDHC 16GB cards for $30 (as regular prices not special deals or after rebate).

Anyway, you see losing the UMD drive and getting the flash & bluetooth chips as worth $80, others don't. Both views are opinions which we both should be allowed to state, without brand loyalists calling it "ignorant" or "hating." I'll admit that calling it the PSP Gouge is unkind and perhaps excessive 🙂

The launch PS3 was worth $600 to me at the time for blu-ray, PS3 games and hardware PS2 BC but most people disagreed.

No one has proof until it's shipping, but logic and the history of prior console / handheld refreshes does argue against the manufacturing cost to Sony being higher though. It's much more probable that the cost is the same or lower.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Some people still remain sadly ignorant.

Dont want to the Go? Dont buy it. Thats why the 3000 is still going to be around. You can buy your own 16gb stick, and use it. Guess what that brings the price of the 3000 to.

And 16gb of flash memory isnt "cheap". Its a large percentage of the cost of the Go. Sure compared to a car its cheap, not in terms of the overall cost of the device. Not to mention (I dont know why people cant grasp this simple concept) that making a new device, isnt cheap. It take time to get the production better, to lower cost. The PSP was $250 when it came out, and now its not. Guess what will happen with the Go? The price will go down in time. Common sense here folks.

Once again. You dont have to buy it. If you dont like it, then dont get it. You arent losing anything, by them putting out this device. You can still use the 3000 if you want, they arent stopping production. Its simply another option. Despite what you think, some people will want the Go.

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g

Seriously, it doesn't come close to the touch in functionality. Anyone primarily wanting an mp3 player that plays video and has a nice browser/email tool will not even consider the PSP.

Except not. Speak for yourself, not anyone else. I have an 8gb touch. I dont take it with me to the gym, because I use bluetooth headphones. My touch, does not have bluetooth. I have an adapter, but it doesnt work all the time, and adds bulk to the touch. So what do I use? My phone, with has an 8gb hdsc card in it, and use it for my music. I would rather use a Go, than my touch for the gym, and running. Because of bluetooth. I use my ipod for my car, and thats it anymore. I could use my phone, but I dont have a line in port on my stereo. I have the lighter adapter for the touch.

There are many things the Go will not do, than the touch can. However, the touch (and phone) is becoming a huge gaming platform, they arent all that different. The touch can be considered a "gaming platform" now. They're pushing it big time.

But Im done talking about it. Some people are simply haters, and cry about anything thats offered to them. Posting your opinion thats it overpriced 100 times, doesnt make it factual. It just makes you look foolish.

/done

It is funny. You come to all these threads like the police crying that we are giving our opinion all the while giving your own opinion the entire time. See how that works.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

It is overpriced and I have to lol at "for mixed media uses right now Apple and Sony are neck and neck"

iPod Touch + iPhone have a combined installed based a bit behind the PSP, of course that includeds non 3G, but they are comparable in installed base atm, you can laugh if you want to, some people laugh when you say the sky is blue, doesn't change reality.

Seriously, it doesn't come close to the touch in functionality.

How so? Seriously, I must hear this. I have been extremely underwhelmed with the touch, particularly at its' price point.

Anyone primarily wanting an mp3 player that plays video and has a nice browser/email tool will not even consider the PSP.

Well, we know for a fact you are wrong there.

You didn't say anything about the install base. you said for mixed media USE they are neck and neck. I own both. I like both but for mixed media use the PSP doesn't compare. It is a gaming platform and that is basically all it does well.


As for the other part. I'll revise to say "Sane and rational people primarily wanting an mp3 player that plays video and has a nice browser/email tool will not even consider the PSP"

 

[R Nilla]

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
As for the other part. I'll revise to say "Sane and rational people primarily wanting an mp3 player that plays video and has a nice browser/email tool will not even consider the PSP"

I don't think you even have to go that far because that's giving the average consumer too much credit.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

It is overpriced and I have to lol at "for mixed media uses right now Apple and Sony are neck and neck"

iPod Touch + iPhone have a combined installed based a bit behind the PSP, of course that includeds non 3G, but they are comparable in installed base atm, you can laugh if you want to, some people laugh when you say the sky is blue, doesn't change reality.

Seriously, it doesn't come close to the touch in functionality.

How so? Seriously, I must hear this. I have been extremely underwhelmed with the touch, particularly at its' price point.

😕 PSP is a portable game system. iPod Touch is a PDA/media player. There is some overlap, but they really don't compete directly with each other. You won't find many people trying to choose between the two, and many people will even own both for different purposes.

So to answer your question about the iPod Touch's functionality - it beats the PSP in every area of functionality that you'd expect in a PDA, including web browsing. There really is an app for everything. PSP soundly beats the iPod touch when it comes to most types of games.

Apparently everyone is saying this new PSP Go is intended to compete with the iPod Touch. I haven't read much about the PSP Go - I guess they added a touchscreen to make it useful as a PDA?

 

[BenSkywalker]

Actually you are, memory stick prices are inflated compared to SD cards: Newegg has several SDHC 16GB cards for $30 (as regular prices not special deals or after rebate).

That line of discussion was comparing it to a PSP3K in terms of cost to consumers. How are you going to replicate MagicGate on a SDHC to use in the PSP? I guess if you wanted to cripple functionality and use SDHC with an adaptor just for files you could get away with it.

No one has proof until it's shipping, but logic and the history of prior console / handheld refreshes does argue against the manufacturing cost to Sony being higher though.

Then it should be very, very easy for people to show a comparable device from anyone else, where is it? If Sony is overcharging, where is the superior or equal product for less? For the 360 it is easy for us to see the gouging as we can simply look at the PS3's or PC's comparable parts, where is the comparable device to the PSP Go for less?

You didn't say anything about the install base. you said for mixed media USE they are neck and neck.

In context I was talking about insalled base for differing devices, it's why I mentioned it in the same sentence with Nintendo's dominance.

I like both but for mixed media use the PSP doesn't compare. It is a gaming platform and that is basically all it does well.

That is the point. As I've already mentioned, I owned a PSP and got rid of it because of its' limitations as a media device, the smaller form factor and 16GB on board memory change its' functionality in a profound manner.

I'll revise to say "Sane and rational people primarily wanting an mp3 player that plays video and has a nice browser/email tool will not even consider the PSP"

Guess it depends on how much emphasis you put on PDA functionality. I have a phone, I assume by most comments here other people don't? PS3's browser leaves a lot to be desired, but given its' useage for me I find it completely acceptable.

Apparently everyone is saying this new PSP Go is intended to compete with the iPod Touch. I haven't read much about the PSP Go - I guess they added a touchscreen to make it useful as a PDA?

No, it doesn't have a touchscreen. I think most people have come to the conclusion long ago that the touch kind of sucks as a PDA, interesting that people are bringing it back up now. Haven't gotten my hands on the latest versions, Apple take away the $100 sub fee to sync email? Add in the calendar edit functionality? I haven't really seen how the touch can come close to a decent phone as a PDA, so perhaps that is why I don't take that functionality of it seriously.

Apple is hyping the gaming aspect of the Touch right now, along with media functionality. In those aspects, the PSP Go seems superior on both ends for less money. Perhaps the touch is a much better PDA then the PSP Go, but I can't find anyone that thinks it is better then run of the mill Blackberries, G1s or iPhones. If I'm using the Touch or the PSP, I'm still going to have my phone on me(Skype only works with wifi handy), and I think the same would be reality for most people also.

 

[biggestmuff]

Talking about removable memory; yes, Sony's proprietary memory is overpriced compared to SD cards.

Another griping point about the PSP Go is the fact that it will use Memory Stick Micro and not Memory Stick Pro Duo like the PSP-3000 currently uses. So, you won't be able to easily swap memory between the two units. I know the PSP Go isn't out yet, but Sony currently only mentions 2GB and 4GB Memory Stick Micro as available peripherals. Read into that however you'd like.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Some people still remain sadly ignorant.

Dont want to the Go? Dont buy it. Thats why the 3000 is still going to be around. You can buy your own 16gb stick, and use it. Guess what that brings the price of the 3000 to.

And 16gb of flash memory isnt "cheap". Its a large percentage of the cost of the Go. Sure compared to a car its cheap, not in terms of the overall cost of the device. Not to mention (I dont know why people cant grasp this simple concept) that making a new device, isnt cheap. It take time to get the production better, to lower cost. The PSP was $250 when it came out, and now its not. Guess what will happen with the Go? The price will go down in time. Common sense here folks.

Once again. You dont have to buy it. If you dont like it, then dont get it. You arent losing anything, by them putting out this device. You can still use the 3000 if you want, they arent stopping production. Its simply another option. Despite what you think, some people will want the Go.

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g

Seriously, it doesn't come close to the touch in functionality. Anyone primarily wanting an mp3 player that plays video and has a nice browser/email tool will not even consider the PSP.

Except not. Speak for yourself, not anyone else. I have an 8gb touch. I dont take it with me to the gym, because I use bluetooth headphones. My touch, does not have bluetooth. I have an adapter, but it doesnt work all the time, and adds bulk to the touch. So what do I use? My phone, with has an 8gb hdsc card in it, and use it for my music. I would rather use a Go, than my touch for the gym, and running. Because of bluetooth. I use my ipod for my car, and thats it anymore. I could use my phone, but I dont have a line in port on my stereo. I have the lighter adapter for the touch.

There are many things the Go will not do, than the touch can. However, the touch (and phone) is becoming a huge gaming platform, they arent all that different. The touch can be considered a "gaming platform" now. They're pushing it big time.

But Im done talking about it. Some people are simply haters, and cry about anything thats offered to them. Posting your opinion thats it overpriced 100 times, doesnt make it factual. It just makes you look foolish.

/done

It is funny. You come to all these threads like the police crying that we are giving our opinion all the while giving your own opinion the entire time. See how that works.

:thumbsup:

Ackmed, if we want to discuss the price of a new product, guess what? We will. It's a forum. It doesn't make anyone look ignorant or foolish. Some people think it's overpriced, and they'll give their opinions. Others think it's priced correct, and they'll give their opinions. If we all agreed all the time, this would be the most boring forum ever. When BenSkywalker, myself, and whomever else get done arguing the topic, then we'll go on and battle at the next one. It's not a big deal, I doubt any of us start hating each other because of it.

In the end, it's just a discussion. None of us are saying we're being forced to buy it. That doesn't mean we can't have a healthy argument about it. If you want a forum where everyone agrees with you, then go create your own forum and respond to yourself from now on.

 

[R Nilla]

Originally posted by: peritusONE

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
It is funny. You come to all these threads like the police crying that we are giving our opinion all the while giving your own opinion the entire time. See how that works.

:thumbsup:

Ackmed, if we want to discuss the price of a new product, guess what? We will. It's a forum. It doesn't make anyone look ignorant or foolish. Some people think it's overpriced, and they'll give their opinions. Others think it's priced correct, and they'll give their opinions. If we all agreed all the time, this would be the most boring forum ever. When BenSkywalker, myself, and whomever else get done arguing the topic, then we'll go on and battle at the next one. It's not a big deal, I doubt any of us start hating each other because of it.

In the end, it's just a discussion. None of us are saying we're being forced to buy it. That doesn't mean we can't have a healthy argument about it. If you want a forum where everyone agrees with you, then go create your own forum and respond to yourself from now on.

But...

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: R Nilla

Originally posted by: peritusONE

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
It is funny. You come to all these threads like the police crying that we are giving our opinion all the while giving your own opinion the entire time. See how that works.

:thumbsup:

Ackmed, if we want to discuss the price of a new product, guess what? We will. It's a forum. It doesn't make anyone look ignorant or foolish. Some people think it's overpriced, and they'll give their opinions. Others think it's priced correct, and they'll give their opinions. If we all agreed all the time, this would be the most boring forum ever. When BenSkywalker, myself, and whomever else get done arguing the topic, then we'll go on and battle at the next one. It's not a big deal, I doubt any of us start hating each other because of it.

In the end, it's just a discussion. None of us are saying we're being forced to buy it. That doesn't mean we can't have a healthy argument about it. If you want a forum where everyone agrees with you, then go create your own forum and respond to yourself from now on.

But...

And?

 

[R Nilla]

Originally posted by: peritusONE
And?

I was trying to make a joke but I guess I failed. Most Ackmed posts involve the word "ignorant."

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: R Nilla

Originally posted by: peritusONE
And?

I was trying to make a joke but I guess I failed. Most Ackmed posts involve the word "ignorant."

Ahhhhh....didn't get it, sorry. 🙂

 

[mmnno]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
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That saves a lot too. $6.02 total, of course you don't get the media tools package that the PSP Go comes with, or the more compact and lighter unit. You do get a larger screen, but one with interlacing issues. But hey, you save that $6.02.

So buy a hong kong knockoff on eBay, I fail to see the issue there. Better to have UMD plus that, since UMD is compatible with bargain bins and DD just lets publishers put a straw in your wallet.

I'd definitely rather have a pspGo than an iTouch, but I'd just get a 2000 instead anyway.

 

[Genx87]

Sony is in a rough spot right now. Software sales arent as good as the competition to make up for any losses on the hardware side. They probably cant lower the cost of the units for fear of bleeding more money.