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Montana up's the ante' on States Rights

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JeffreyLebowski

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http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0246.htm

A personal firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is manufactured commercially or privately in Montana and that remains within the borders of Montana is not subject to federal law or federal regulation, including registration, under the authority of congress to regulate interstate commerce.
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Essentially, any thing that would fall under the NFA restrictions enforced by the ATF would be perfectly legal if it was made and sold in Montana since the Fed gov can't claim interstate commerce clauses on items that are not imported to or exported from the state.

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
... since the Fed gov can't claim interstate commerce clauses on items that are not imported to or exported from the state.
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Uhh, so what if they want to start growing and selling pot?

😀
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
... since the Fed gov can't claim interstate commerce clauses on items that are not imported to or exported from the state.
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Uhh, so what if they want to start growing and selling pot?

😀
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that should be a state right as well.
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
Oh good, so all 7 people living there can have all the guns they want! Hooray!
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do you get off on saying stupid ignorant retarded moronic idiotic crap like that?

:roll:

 
Originally posted by: Citrix

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
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Good point.

Would you preferred I'd phrased it as "No one gives a shit what you say Montana, you are meaningless"? Would that have been more relevant?
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Citrix

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
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Good point.

Would you preferred I'd phrased it as "No one gives a shit what you say Montana, you are meaningless"? Would that have been more relevant?
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And Washington State is some big player on the national stage? You fail at being an elitist.
 
Ups the ante? As long as they make sure it's not sold or bought across state lines, sure, they can do whatever they want. It's Montana, noone really cares what happens there.
Note that even they exempt fully automatic rifles: (4) a firearm that discharges two or more projectiles with one activation of the trigger or other firing device.

 
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Citrix

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
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Good point.

Would you preferred I'd phrased it as "No one gives a shit what you say Montana, you are meaningless"? Would that have been more relevant?
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And Washington State is some big player on the national stage? You fail at being an elitist.
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Well first off, I only just recently moved to Seattle from Philadelphia. I would say Philly and PA as a whole are a weee bit bigger on the national stage than Montana, yes.

And really? You don't think Seattle is important? I guess you don't use anything from Microsoft, Amazon, Starbucks, Costco, Boeing, Expedia, RealNetworks, Nordstrom, etc? And no one ever listened to grunge music in the 90s. You are correct, WA has contributed NOTHING to the business or culture of America! What a worthless state I live in!

edit: For the record, I hate Washington, especially its politics - but you are seriously kidding yourself if you don't think it holds a bit more weight than Montana.
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
And really? You don't think Seattle is important? I guess you don't use anything from Microsoft, Amazon, Starbucks, Costco, Boeing, Expedia, RealNetworks, Nordstrom, etc? And no one ever listened to grunge music in the 90s. You are correct, WA has contributed NOTHING to the business or culture of America! What a worthless state I live in!
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Are we talking politics here, or teen-angst music from the 1990s?

I never said anything about the culture of WA (beautiful place), I am talking about the relevance to the national political stage, as that is what you attacked about Montana.
 
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Deeko
And really? You don't think Seattle is important? I guess you don't use anything from Microsoft, Amazon, Starbucks, Costco, Boeing, Expedia, RealNetworks, Nordstrom, etc? And no one ever listened to grunge music in the 90s. You are correct, WA has contributed NOTHING to the business or culture of America! What a worthless state I live in!
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Are we talking politics here, or teen-angst music from the 1990s?

I never said anything about the culture of WA (beautiful place), I am talking about the relevance to the national political stage, as that is what you attacked about Montana.
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I said no one cares about Montana. They can make these cute little worthless political stands to try to make them matter, but they still don't.

And for the record, I would say headquartering a large number of very big, important businesses does give you political relevance. I see you didn't respond to that. Nice job!
 
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
... since the Fed gov can't claim interstate commerce clauses on items that are not imported to or exported from the state.
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Uhh, so what if they want to start growing and selling pot?

😀
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that should be a state right as well.
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Yeah, it should be.
 
Originally posted by: Deeko

I said no one cares about Montana. They can make these cute little worthless political stands to try to make them matter, but they still don't.

And for the record, I would say headquartering a large number of very big, important businesses does give you political relevance. I see you didn't respond to that. Nice job!
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Those headquarters would exist without WA 😉

Face it, you are in a solid blue state that is not on the forefront of anything (Maybe euthanasia, but maybe that was Oregon?) politically.

At least Montana is attempting to stand up for something they believe in.
 
Oh, and furthermore - really? You want to argue political weight? Ok. WA has 11 electoral votes. My home state of PA, which I identify with, has 21. Montana has 3. So if you want to turn this into political relevance, WA 3.67x more important than Montana, and PA is 7x. In terms of members of the House, WA is 9x as large, PA is 19x.

Seriously OCGuy, you make this way too easy.

edit: forgot who I was arguing with. Meh, you're all the same 😛
 
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Deeko

I said no one cares about Montana. They can make these cute little worthless political stands to try to make them matter, but they still don't.

And for the record, I would say headquartering a large number of very big, important businesses does give you political relevance. I see you didn't respond to that. Nice job!
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Those headquarters would exist without WA 😉

Face it, you are in a solid blue state that is not on the forefront of anything (Maybe euthanasia, but maybe that was Oregon?) politically.

At least Montana is attempting to stand up for something they believe in.
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Ok, you are correct - technically they are headquartered elsewhere. Semantics, fact is those companies are based here (except Boeing, but they did start here and do still have a very large base of operations here).

Washington is indeed a solid blue state, and is among the most liberal places in the country. The state also has a unique blend of conservative policies, such as no income tax, despite a very liberal population/government. And per my post above, certainly carries more political weight than Montana in politics on a national stage.
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
... since the Fed gov can't claim interstate commerce clauses on items that are not imported to or exported from the state.
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Uhh, so what if they want to start growing and selling pot?

😀
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Go for it. Just realize, that there are local laws to be concerned about with drugs as well.
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Deeko
And really? You don't think Seattle is important? I guess you don't use anything from Microsoft, Amazon, Starbucks, Costco, Boeing, Expedia, RealNetworks, Nordstrom, etc? And no one ever listened to grunge music in the 90s. You are correct, WA has contributed NOTHING to the business or culture of America! What a worthless state I live in!
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Are we talking politics here, or teen-angst music from the 1990s?

I never said anything about the culture of WA (beautiful place), I am talking about the relevance to the national political stage, as that is what you attacked about Montana.
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I said no one cares about Montana. They can make these cute little worthless political stands to try to make them matter, but they still don't.

And for the record, I would say headquartering a large number of very big, important businesses does give you political relevance. I see you didn't respond to that. Nice job!
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Um, Montana matters because they do house a LOT of nuclear weapons.
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
Oh, and furthermore - really? You want to argue political weight? Ok. WA has 11 electoral votes. My home state of PA, which I identify with, has 21. Montana has 3. So if you want to turn this into political relevance, WA 3.67x more important than Montana, and PA is 7x. In terms of members of the House, WA is 9x as large, PA is 19x.

Seriously OCGuy, you make this way too easy.

edit: forgot who I was arguing with. Meh, you're all the same 😛
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So what will your retort be when/if Texas does the same thing?
 
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: Deeko
Oh, and furthermore - really? You want to argue political weight? Ok. WA has 11 electoral votes. My home state of PA, which I identify with, has 21. Montana has 3. So if you want to turn this into political relevance, WA 3.67x more important than Montana, and PA is 7x. In terms of members of the House, WA is 9x as large, PA is 19x.

Seriously OCGuy, you make this way too easy.

edit: forgot who I was arguing with. Meh, you're all the same 😛
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So what will your retort be when/if Texas does the same thing?
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Clearly that it will matter more. I'm not anti gun, I'm just saying that this statement by worthless Montana is a non-story.

Its cute that you so incorrectly stereotyped me though.
 
i hope wyoming has a balls to do that too. montana is important, so is Wyoming.. does everyone on the west coast like having natural gas?? its mostly from the fields i work in in Wyoming.
 
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