Monopolies are good for the monopolists, not the public

[lothar]

Umm...That press release you're quoting is older than dirt.
Most H1N1 vaccines were recalled ~3 weeks ago.

 

[MotF Bane]

what a bucnh of brownosers, here.s a kleenix, wipe that shit off your face. And the jizz too.

You rage you lose.

 

[nobodyknows]

LIAR!

I had H1N1, and it's pretty nasty. There has to be someplace somewhere that has a batch of good vaccine, but why can't we get it? If it's not available it's useless.

Now nobody is pretty much a hobby these days, and honestly I get a kick out of him.

The problem that the CDC and the companies that make the vaccines had was that we needed a lot and fast. I don't think many people including those in government realized just how difficult something like this.

Consequently, a vaccine was released which was safe and effective, but it's stability wasn't completely known. It is deteriorating faster than expected, and that sucks. Couldn't be helped though.

Of course the CDC isn't health care, but was held up as a shining example anyway.

It's been kind of fun

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/qa_expiration.htm

5.What lots are affected by this change in dating?
The dating is being shortened on all remaining doses of pre-filled syringes that are not included in either of the two previous Sanofi Pasteur H1N1 vaccine recalls (See Non-Safety-Related Voluntary Recall of Sanofi Pasteur H1N1 Vaccine in Pre-filled Syringes Questions & Answers (February 2010) and Non-Safety-Related Voluntary Recall of Certain Lots of Sanofi Pasteur H1N1 Pediatric (0.25 mL, for 6-35 month olds) Vaccine in Pre-Filled Syringes Questions & Answers (December 2009)

For specific lot numbers, see the official CDC Health Alert Network Update regarding Sanofi Pasteur Monovalent 2009 (H1N1) Influenza Vaccine in Pre-Filled Syringes - Shortened Shelf Life of Certain Lots.

This shortened expiration period along with the two recent recalls (See Non-Safety-Related Voluntary Recall of Sanofi Pasteur H1N1 Vaccine in Pre-filled Syringes Questions & Answers (February 2010) and Non-Safety-Related Voluntary Recall of Certain Lots of Sanofi Pasteur H1N1 Pediatric (0.25 mL, for 6-35 month olds) Vaccine in Pre-Filled Syringes Questions & Answers (December 2009) affects all of Sanofi Pasteur's 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine in pre-filled syringes that were distributed this season. No additional Sanofi Pasteur pre-filled syringes will be available. However, 0.5 mL pre-filled syringes from Novartis and CSL remain available.

This shortened expiration period does not affect Sanofi Pasteur’s 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine in multi-dose vials.

6.How many doses were in these lots?
There were approximately 12 million doses in these lots.
7.What is being done to notify health care providers of this change in dating?
In the week of February 1, 2010, the manufacturer sent notification detailing the change in dating to health care providers who received shipments from the affected lots.

Just because you claim to not have enough vaccine (I notice you aren't "out") doesn't mean the vaccine isn't available. Show me some proof other then what you say, because obviously you can say anything you like and call it fact. You haven't proven anything yet, except that they had a recall of 12 million doeses. I can see if all your doeses (or the majority of them) were recalled all at once then that would create an "apparant" shortage. That doesn't mean it's a real shortage.

12 million doses is a lot of doeses to lose all at once, but obviously we had plenty of H1N1 available until then and for all anybody has show me, we still have enough. I haven't heard anything about shortages myself I guess in your world that must be proof there is no shortages?

 

[nobodyknows]

Umm...That press release you're quoting is older than dirt.
Most H1N1 vaccines were recalled ~3 weeks ago.

It'swas the latest one from New York Heath Dept. and I beleive that is whre Haybasa Rider is posting from? That's why I posted it.

 

[nobodyknows]

You rage you lose.

Bah, humbug. I get tired of dealing with idiots is all.

 

[nobodyknows]

So according to this link that I posted previously:

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/vaccinesupply.htm

As of 1/29/10 there were 147,323,810 does allocated, 119,086,300 ordered, and 118,922,220 shipped. So if you subtract 118,922,220 from 147,323,810 you have aproximately 28,300,000 does left. Take away the 12,000,000 does being recalled and you still have over 16 million does avaialable. And I assume they are still making more as we speak?

•Allocated: Doses that are at the distribution depots and ready for states to order. Vaccine is allocated to each state in proportion to its population (pro rata)
•Ordered: Doses requested by states as of 9 PM ET for shipment to state-designated locations
•Shipped: Doses sent as of 5 PM ET from the central distributor to state-designated locations [/q]

Gee, it seems to me the CDC is right on top of things even with all the bad breaks. Maybe, just maybe the "gub'ment" can do as good a job managing health care?

 

[sandorski]

BUT BUT THAT COULD BE FROM ANYONE!!!

True, but then you'd ask me to prove it. Again note the lot numbers on the boxes under my love note.

44 boxes of ten prefilled syringes.

Photochop!!!!!




PS-stopped reading thread awhile ago and have no clue WTF you guys are going on about, but it must be pretty good if you went to that length.

 

[nobodyknows]

Also please explain the economics of why carrying excess inventory for which I receive little to no extra compensation makes business sense?

LOL, so why are you complaining about shortages?? DUHHHH!!!!!!

Your problem is you want to make the politicians the scapegoat when they are controlled by the for profit arms of health care. Politicians go where the money is, always have and always will. With goverment health care maybe, just maybe we can eliminate the greed element so dominate in todays healthcare system.

Of course, that's what your afraid of. you like being able to post pictures on teh internet and complaining about the evil gub'ment while drawing your fat paycheck. The proof is in the pudding.

 

[nobodyknows]

Photochop!!!!!




PS-stopped reading thread awhile ago and have no clue WTF you guys are going on about, but it must be pretty good if you went to that length.

Yeah, I'm jealous he has a job where he can sit around with his thumb up his ass taking pictures and posting crap on the internet while being paid big bucks. He's as bad as the politicians he lambasts.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Photochop!!!!!




PS-stopped reading thread awhile ago and have no clue WTF you guys are going on about, but it must be pretty good if you went to that length.

I'm not sure what he's going on about either. He talks about how great a system is that he supports then when he's shown that it has a lot of problems it's my fault. He even gets upset when I take five minutes out of a day to take a couple pics. Of course he doesn't know or care that I don't get a lunch break out of a 12 hour day. I usually work with my right hand while eating with my left.

Note how he decides to ignore the rest of my points about the problems that government can create. That's not to say that the private sector is perfect either, however usually there is some alternative when things go to hell. Having to move to another state is a bit problematic to do the same thing.

Now here's the best "own your own ass" comment I've ever seen-

Your problem is you want to make the politicians the scapegoat when they are controlled by the for profit arms of health care. Politicians go where the money is, always have and always will. With goverment health care maybe, just maybe we can eliminate the greed element so dominate in todays healthcare system.

Apparently he's mentally able to divorce politicians from government. If the politicians are controlled by the "for profit arms of healt care", who is going write the legislation and make the rules? Jesus?

You and I have had debates about this where we haven't agreed, but I believe you will remember that I haven't been against reform, but have repeatedly stated that we need people who have an idea about what problems there are and that a lot of research specifically directed at health care reform proper (not just who pays) needs to be done in advance of legislation.

He just hates anyone in the medical profession for some reason. Maybe something bad happened to him or someone he knows. Sad things happen to people and that leaves a mark. I ought to leave him alone so he can regroup.

I'll let him be. It's kinder that way.

 

[nobodyknows]

I'm not sure what he's going on about either. He talks about how great a system is that he supports then when he's shown that it has a lot of problems it's my fault. He even gets upset when I take five minutes out of a day to take a couple pics. Of course he doesn't know or care that I don't get a lunch break out of a 12 hour day. I usually work with my right hand while eating with my left.

Note how he decides to ignore the rest of my points about the problems that government can create. That's not to say that the private sector is perfect either, however usually there is some alternative when things go to hell. Having to move to another state is a bit problematic to do the same thing.

Now here's the best "own your own ass" comment I've ever seen-



Apparently he's mentally able to divorce politicians from government. If the politicians are controlled by the "for profit arms of healt care", who is going write the legislation and make the rules? Jesus?

You and I have had debates about this where we haven't agreed, but I believe you will remember that I haven't been against reform, but have repeatedly stated that we need people who have an idea about what problems there are and that a lot of research specifically directed at health care reform proper (not just who pays) needs to be done in advance of legislation.

He just hates anyone in the medical profession for some reason. Maybe something bad happened to him or someone he knows. Sad things happen to people and that leaves a mark. I ought to leave him alone so he can regroup.

I'll let him be. It's kinder that way.

I LOL@U and your inability to back up your "opinions" with anything but some pictures that don't prove squat.

You'll let me be only because you can't prove your case because of your kneejerk reacting and straight out lying. In other words you lost the argument and want to try and graciously bow out because YOU HAVE NO PROOF.

I do not plan on being so kind to you though. LOL!!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

 

[nobodyknows]

Yeah, you are a robot who can't see past his nose.


Do yo have some actual proof of a nationwide shortage or just some more pctures of a refridgerator? Yeah, I didn't think so. What a worthless clown.

 

[nobodyknows]

So according to this link that I posted previously:

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/vaccinesupply.htm

As of 1/29/10 there were 147,323,810 does allocated, 119,086,300 ordered, and 118,922,220 shipped. So if you subtract 118,922,220 from 147,323,810 you have aproximately 28,300,000 does left. Take away the 12,000,000 does being recalled and you still have over 16 million does avaialable. And I assume they are still making more as we speak?

•Allocated: Doses that are at the distribution depots and ready for states to order. Vaccine is allocated to each state in proportion to its population (pro rata)
•Ordered: Doses requested by states as of 9 PM ET for shipment to state-designated locations
•Shipped: Doses sent as of 5 PM ET from the central distributor to state-designated locations

Gee, it seems to me the CDC is right on top of things even with all the bad breaks. Maybe, just maybe the "gub'ment" can do as good a job managing health care?

Can't address this post? I wonder why? Hmm????

 

[MotF Bane]

Scott Brown, the new Senator from Massachusettes wants to kill national universal health care, except in Massachusettes where he supports their universal health care plan 100 percent.

Wait, wat?

You fail.

 

[Brainonska511]

Umm...That press release you're quoting is older than dirt.
Most H1N1 vaccines were recalled ~3 weeks ago.

Link?

The only H1N1 vaccine recall was a voluntary one for ~800,000 children's doses because of potency issues (not safety issues).

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Link?

The only H1N1 vaccine recall was a voluntary one for ~800,000 does because of potency issues (not safety issues).

No one said it was a safety issue, at least not directly. Getting something which may not work isn't going to harm someone when administered, however getting H1N1 ain't great.

If you click on the images I provided yesterday, you'll see the recall we had dated 2/13. That involved the prefilled syringes which is what's used in the community, so the normal mechanism for the administration of flu vaccines is fubared. There's a whole lot of people scratching their heads looking for this stuff.

The issue of course is that people who want a vaccination are going to have a jolly good time finding one. Waltzing into a hospital and asking for an injection is only going to happen if someone is in a high risk group, and unfortunately that means that it may or may not be covered.

It would be a major problem, but it's mostly over now and I don't think it's as big an issue as it would have been earlier in the season.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Some good news. Called a buddy at a competitors and they got a supply in the other day. That means we're probably in for more next week. We have a pretty long list of people looking for it.

 

[nobodyknows]

You fail.

You dumb.

 

[nobodyknows]

No one said it was a safety issue, at least not directly. Getting something which may not work isn't going to harm someone when administered, however getting H1N1 ain't great.

If you click on the images I provided yesterday, you'll see the recall we had dated 2/13. That involved the prefilled syringes which is what's used in the community, so the normal mechanism for the administration of flu vaccines is fubared. There's a whole lot of people scratching their heads looking for this stuff.

The issue of course is that people who want a vaccination are going to have a jolly good time finding one. Waltzing into a hospital and asking for an injection is only going to happen if someone is in a high risk group, and unfortunately that means that it may or may not be covered.

It would be a major problem, but it's mostly over now and I don't think it's as big an issue as it would have been earlier in the season.

The recalled vaccines were good until Feb 15th, where's this acute shortage you claim????


There must not have been too much of a shortage if they still had 12 million extra doses. According to the links I posted (which you haven't ackowledged) we still have 18 million doses available.

 

[nobodyknows]

Some good news. Called a buddy at a competitors and they got a supply in the other day. That means we're probably in for more next week. We have a pretty long list of people looking for it.

LOL, you mean there are other places besides just yourt fridge!!!

FUCKING AMAZING!!!!

 

[MotF Bane]

You dumb.

Says the guy who can't spell Massachusetts.

 

[nobodyknows]

Says the guy who can't spell Massachusetts.

LOL, I copied and pasted that from somebody else. Opps!! So sue me Mr. Spelling Nazi.

I can spell mississippi though

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

LOL, you mean there are other places besides just yourt fridge!!!

FUCKING AMAZING!!!!

I'm more interested in how this is resolving itself than anything else. That's why I posted about it coming back. That's good news.

Now I understand you hate health care providers. You've talked about storming hospitals and forcing us to work at the threat of violence. Obviously you have some psychological issues that you need to work through, however your paranoia would prevent effective therapy. That's really sad, and I don't take pleasure in seeing another human so twisted by his hate. I mean the solution according to you is to have the politicians create a government health care scheme with the intent of keeping the same politicians from abusing the system. That makes no sense at any level and shows a disturbed mind.

My advice to you is the same I gave to others, and which has been given to me, and I mean this in all sincerity. Put away the keyboard for a while and do something else. The internet isn't really serious business. If you want to attempt to abuse me or others here who disagree with you, that's fine, but it isn't going to do you any good.

Let's look at Craig. He and I have no love for each other, however he was smart enough to simply responding to my posts. That way he doesn't have to deal with me or get frustrated. It works for him and I see no reason for that to change as long as it does. Maybe you should copy his example. It would get your blood pressure down a bit.

Cultivate relationships off line. Go take pictures. Get a pet, anything. Having a stroke because of a dumb ass political forum and those who post on it really isn't healthy.

 

[nobodyknows]

I'm more interested in how this is resolving itself than anything else. That's why I posted about it coming back. That's good news.

Now I understand you hate health care providers. You've talked about storming hospitals and forcing us to work at the threat of violence. Obviously you have some psychological issues that you need to work through, however your paranoia would prevent effective therapy. That's really sad, and I don't take pleasure in seeing another human so twisted by his hate. I mean the solution according to you is to have the politicians create a government health care scheme with the intent of keeping the same politicians from abusing the system. That makes no sense at any level and shows a disturbed mind.

My advice to you is the same I gave to others, and which has been given to me, and I mean this in all sincerity. Put away the keyboard for a while and do something else. The internet isn't really serious business. If you want to attempt to abuse me or others here who disagree with you, that's fine, but it isn't going to do you any good.

Let's look at Craig. He and I have no love for each other, however he was smart enough to simply responding to my posts. That way he doesn't have to deal with me or get frustrated. It works for him and I see no reason for that to change as long as it does. Maybe you should copy his example. It would get your blood pressure down a bit.

Cultivate relationships off line. Go take pictures. Get a pet, anything. Having a stroke because of a dumb ass political forum and those who post on it really isn't healthy.

LOL, so your a Psychiatrist now too? Your the one who is knee jerking on this issue. You claimed there were shortages and tried to prove it with pictures of your fridge, LOL, going so far as to calling me an idiot in one of those pictures, as if you had proved something. You are clearly the one who needs to see a headshrinker.