I think your close on the quote. My mom used to always say it:
"Having money doesn't make you happy, but having money makes it alot easier to be happy."
Yes, money equals happiness. When money doesn't equal happiness is when the money is in the hands of an idiot.
Geekbabe
Moderator Emeritus<br>Elite Member
I dunno, I've got the best job I've ever had working for somebody else and I'm pretty darn unhappy lately,money can't buy a good mood or sleep I guess 
having lots of money is just the basis for happiness. true happiness comes when you've found a girl who you adore and who adores you. however, too much money can be the basis of misery as well. you can go snobby and everybody will end up hating you. you might get used. you might end up with a gold digger. who knows.
I'd say enough money to live comfortably is perfect.
I'd say enough money to live comfortably is perfect.
Money is a means to avoid stresses that put you in touch with your inner demons. If being asleep to yourself is happiness, and for most people it surely is, then money buys the bliss of self ignorance. Such people are upside down in the world though, because they cannot tap the source of real happiness the bliss of being real. However much we may wish to think otherwise, we do not know what we feel, that we do not like ourselves. He who cannot feel cannot be real. Everything we do is a substitute for self love. Money and success are the bandages we place on broken souls. One good thing about money is that when you begin to pay for your journey within, you invest in yourself. The false value we place on money in this case equates to interest earned. Investing in the worthless (how we really feel about ourselves) creates value even if only a perceived value. That it is only perceived doesn't matter because our worthlessness is itself only a perception.
You need money, obviously, to live. But how much is too much? Money doesn't make you happy because if it did Bill Gates would be the happiest man in the world and I don't think he's any happier than the average Joe with all the problems he having with the Federal and several State governments.
Ask anybody what made thier childhood happy and they won't ever mention that his/hers family had lots of money but, rather, that they had good parents who loved them.
Ask anybody what made thier childhood happy and they won't ever mention that his/hers family had lots of money but, rather, that they had good parents who loved them.
I guess it all depends on how you measure success and happiness. More money wouldn't make me any happier. I have enough money to afford my basic comforts, which is nice, but having extra money doesn't make me any happier, perhaps because I'm satisfied with my life to the point that I don't know if I could be much happier.
All I need to be happy in the world is my family, my friends, my kayak, and the Atlantic Ocean. The rest is just incidental. Maybe it's my "Jzero" philosophy (do a search, slackers!), but that's all I need. Material posessions always lose their lustre after awhile...you end up wanting more and more and you always think that the next thing will be the one thing that never gets old or boring.
It just don't work that way.
Some people measure happiness in status symbols, but I wonder if they're truly happy. Only the individual knows if he is happy or not.
To those who quip "Send me all your money and we'll compare happiness," no one said the situation was reversible. Just because money doesn't equal happiness, there is no implication that money must equal sadness.
I'll leave you with a poem:
----Bonus poem----
All I need to be happy in the world is my family, my friends, my kayak, and the Atlantic Ocean. The rest is just incidental. Maybe it's my "Jzero" philosophy (do a search, slackers!), but that's all I need. Material posessions always lose their lustre after awhile...you end up wanting more and more and you always think that the next thing will be the one thing that never gets old or boring.
It just don't work that way.
Some people measure happiness in status symbols, but I wonder if they're truly happy. Only the individual knows if he is happy or not.
To those who quip "Send me all your money and we'll compare happiness," no one said the situation was reversible. Just because money doesn't equal happiness, there is no implication that money must equal sadness.
I'll leave you with a poem:
----Bonus poem----
You're missing my point a bit. Its not only about material things, its about security and enjoy life. If I had all the money I needed, I would be much happier. I wouldnt have to worry about university loans...no being able to drive. I would relax, take things easy, I'd have fun all the time instead of worrying about money.
While its true that some happiness comes from within, it's not enough to make you really happy. You just can't be happy without money...without financial security.
And about the western influence....its true. I grew up with folk tales telling me how the only thing you need to be happy is health/love...but that's all crap.
You've listened well to mother culture's whisperings. Put yourself outside of the Western influence and examine this idea more closely. Hint: There are happy people on this earth without cars and jewelry and computers and houses and country club memberships and DVD collections and Abercrombie jeans and Outback steakhouse.
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You're right. There are many people that are satisfied with just bicycles, GAP clothing, tennis club memberships, and VHS!
I'm just kidding by the way, I get where you're coming from
.I couldn't be bothered to read the thread in it's entirety, so sorry if someone has already mentioned this;
If it ain't the bicycle then it's the car. If it ain't the car, then it's the boat. If it ain't the boat, then it's the fvcking yacht.... and on and on.
I personally don't think that money can make you happy.
Cocaine and hookers though, that'll probably do it for a little while, and we all know that money can be traded for both of those.
I know some pretty unhappy rich people.
Actually, i think that being a miserly, rich, gluttonous bastard is the unhappiest sh!t I've ever heard of.
If it ain't the bicycle then it's the car. If it ain't the car, then it's the boat. If it ain't the boat, then it's the fvcking yacht.... and on and on.
I personally don't think that money can make you happy.
Cocaine and hookers though, that'll probably do it for a little while, and we all know that money can be traded for both of those.
I know some pretty unhappy rich people.
Actually, i think that being a miserly, rich, gluttonous bastard is the unhappiest sh!t I've ever heard of.
First of all, apologies for not seeing your reply until now.
????????? Doesn't make any sense. If a person doesn't have the "some" happiness that comes from within, but they are filthy rich, does the money component of happiness make up for the lack of innate happiness"? If one had to choose between the innate or money happiness, which should they choose? I'm interested to know just where you were going with this...
So you want to be rich... do you know what happens to people with a lot of money? They get paranoid--paranoid that all the estranged family and friends coming out of the woodwork as well as all these new friends they seem to be making are there simply for handouts. Paranoid that anyone and everyone is trying to take their money away from them. And their paranoia is probably justified. Rich people have a high tendency to feel alone in this world because they lose the ability to trust anyone.
Not to mention that one can never have ENOUGH money. You might think that if you had a million that would be enough, or a few million, or ten million, or whatever. But sadly your human nature will betray you--once you have the ten million, you'll want more--never fails. That's why the rich are getting richer and poor are getting poorer. The desire for money and the material things it provides is so deeply ingrained in western culture that most people aren't even aware that there's any alternative. The goal is amass amass amass... take as much as you can and HOARD it--because everyone else is doing the same.
You may see lots of pictures on TV and the movies of rich people with no worries, laughing and living it up with their perfect families and friends, their awesome home(s) and their vast collection of material goods. But that's very rarely reality. Biggie hit the nail on the head when he said "Mo' Money Mo' Problems. Look at where his money got him? Six feet under. Think he has his cristal and "ice" with him now?
It's one thing if you're talking about a person's basic needs--food, water, adequate clothing, health care, shelter--in our society some money is needed to provide these things (in others it certainly is not required). Personally I am of the opinion that society should provide these basics to ALL citizens, and going above and beyond if desired would be where money would come in--but that's a whole other thread.
Regardless, happiness is a state of mind--it's a condition. It's not the prize awarded to those who've accumulated the most material assets. You may not know any happy people with no money, but I would argue that's all because our culture screams to us everywhere we turn that we CAN'T be happy without money.
So if you want to buy into that--fine. You'll certainly be following a well-worn path. But if you want to take the red pill then you'll need to realize that that the western way is not the only way.
l2c
P.S. A highly recommended
book suggestion.
Some happiness comes from within? How are you quantifying something as abstract as this? So what you're saying is that without money, a person can have SOME happiness but not ALL of the happiness (which quickly comes as soon as that person has a lot of money)?
????????? Doesn't make any sense. If a person doesn't have the "some" happiness that comes from within, but they are filthy rich, does the money component of happiness make up for the lack of innate happiness"? If one had to choose between the innate or money happiness, which should they choose? I'm interested to know just where you were going with this...
So you want to be rich... do you know what happens to people with a lot of money? They get paranoid--paranoid that all the estranged family and friends coming out of the woodwork as well as all these new friends they seem to be making are there simply for handouts. Paranoid that anyone and everyone is trying to take their money away from them. And their paranoia is probably justified. Rich people have a high tendency to feel alone in this world because they lose the ability to trust anyone.
Not to mention that one can never have ENOUGH money. You might think that if you had a million that would be enough, or a few million, or ten million, or whatever. But sadly your human nature will betray you--once you have the ten million, you'll want more--never fails. That's why the rich are getting richer and poor are getting poorer. The desire for money and the material things it provides is so deeply ingrained in western culture that most people aren't even aware that there's any alternative. The goal is amass amass amass... take as much as you can and HOARD it--because everyone else is doing the same.
You may see lots of pictures on TV and the movies of rich people with no worries, laughing and living it up with their perfect families and friends, their awesome home(s) and their vast collection of material goods. But that's very rarely reality. Biggie hit the nail on the head when he said "Mo' Money Mo' Problems. Look at where his money got him? Six feet under. Think he has his cristal and "ice" with him now?
It's one thing if you're talking about a person's basic needs--food, water, adequate clothing, health care, shelter--in our society some money is needed to provide these things (in others it certainly is not required). Personally I am of the opinion that society should provide these basics to ALL citizens, and going above and beyond if desired would be where money would come in--but that's a whole other thread.
Regardless, happiness is a state of mind--it's a condition. It's not the prize awarded to those who've accumulated the most material assets. You may not know any happy people with no money, but I would argue that's all because our culture screams to us everywhere we turn that we CAN'T be happy without money.
So if you want to buy into that--fine. You'll certainly be following a well-worn path. But if you want to take the red pill then you'll need to realize that that the western way is not the only way.
l2c
P.S. A highly recommended
book suggestion.
Originally posted by: poopaskoopa
My old professor said: "Money doesn't make you happy. It buys the things that make you happy."
Hahah ownage
Well, here's my own tidbit to add.
I think that the freedom to do whatever one pleases generally makes people happy. So if you can supersize your order at McDonalds, without worrying about not making next month's rent, then I'd say you have made your life a little less stressful. And if you can apply that to the spectrum of items that you purchase (and don't purchase due to monetary concerns), then I'd say you have rid yourself of a lot of stress. Unfortunately, this may also come with the stress of trying to sustain this new found lifestyle, or even a higher standard of living.
While there are people who are rich and unhappy, there are also people who are rich and very happy. To paraphrase Jay Leno: if people knew how fun it was to be rich, they would all riot. And besides, there are a lot of people who are POOR AND UNHAPPY. It's the choices you make and desires that you have that dictate your happiness. If you allow money (or lack of money) to dictate your choices and desires, then is it really the money's fault if you're unhappy? I mean, you could open your mouth underneathe a dog's butt, but whose fault is it when you get crap in your mouth? Everyone has to decide on their own if money is what they need (and for many people, the answer is "yes"). "Given my wants, the best thing to do is ______."
Of course, the other alternative is to change what you want. If all you want to do is to eat rocks, then I'd say you can be pretty happy without money. Unless, of course, your appetite for rocks cannot be satisfied merely by picking up the pebbles commonly found on the street, but only by the biggest and most round of rocks from the appalachian mountains, sprinkled with a touch of shark feces and a side of yellow antartica snow. Then you'll need money.
Mmmm, time to eat.
dfi
I think that the freedom to do whatever one pleases generally makes people happy. So if you can supersize your order at McDonalds, without worrying about not making next month's rent, then I'd say you have made your life a little less stressful. And if you can apply that to the spectrum of items that you purchase (and don't purchase due to monetary concerns), then I'd say you have rid yourself of a lot of stress. Unfortunately, this may also come with the stress of trying to sustain this new found lifestyle, or even a higher standard of living.
While there are people who are rich and unhappy, there are also people who are rich and very happy. To paraphrase Jay Leno: if people knew how fun it was to be rich, they would all riot. And besides, there are a lot of people who are POOR AND UNHAPPY. It's the choices you make and desires that you have that dictate your happiness. If you allow money (or lack of money) to dictate your choices and desires, then is it really the money's fault if you're unhappy? I mean, you could open your mouth underneathe a dog's butt, but whose fault is it when you get crap in your mouth? Everyone has to decide on their own if money is what they need (and for many people, the answer is "yes"). "Given my wants, the best thing to do is ______."
Of course, the other alternative is to change what you want. If all you want to do is to eat rocks, then I'd say you can be pretty happy without money. Unless, of course, your appetite for rocks cannot be satisfied merely by picking up the pebbles commonly found on the street, but only by the biggest and most round of rocks from the appalachian mountains, sprinkled with a touch of shark feces and a side of yellow antartica snow. Then you'll need money.
Mmmm, time to eat.
dfi
with money comes responsibility, it is much easier to lose then to make and can be used abusely to buy illegal drugs to use for own pleasure which imo make money bad in some way and good in some way if it used properly. those who never have much or any if given excessive amount would mostly spend it all in no time on expensive luxury stuff like diamond ring and many other thing not neccesarily for the average folks. having all the money in the world make life alot easier, you no longer have to push yourself doing excessive work to make money meet end need.
for most the more you make, the more u spend that why poor is alway poor they just don't conserve.
that the trick to wealth is save, save save! and don't spend any no matter how tempting and don't fall for
get rick quick scheme like stock market. Never work for anyone as far i know. remember money doesnt grow on tree neither does it grow by itself. someone has to spend money on you by working for them or servicing the public like a small business.
for most the more you make, the more u spend that why poor is alway poor they just don't conserve.
that the trick to wealth is save, save save! and don't spend any no matter how tempting and don't fall for
get rick quick scheme like stock market. Never work for anyone as far i know. remember money doesnt grow on tree neither does it grow by itself. someone has to spend money on you by working for them or servicing the public like a small business.
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