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Mom may have cancer recurrence, wants to experiment with homeopathy

My mother was diagnosed with ovarian cancer (Stage Three) in Oct 2009. She had surgery to remove the tumor, a subtotal hysterectomy (removed the uterus and ovaries) and chemotherapy. Since that time, she has been getting checkups every two-three months to check for recurrence. Things were good until today.

During an lower abdomen scan, the doctor found three cysts (50mm, 30mm, 20mm), the large one appeared to be bleeding. Considering her past history, she was advised to consult with her oncologist as soon as possible. This happened around nine hours ago, an appointment was made to meet her oncologist tomorrow (roughly 12 hours from now).

Meanwhile, my Mom decided to get another scan at another hospital because she wanted to rule out the possibility of a mistake, so I took her. She didn't reveal anything about her medical history until the second doctor brought it up after spotting the cysts. She was advised again to consult with her oncologist asap.

Now, I understand that going through treatment for cancer is not pleasant. That the very idea of once again recovering from a post-op state, only to go through agonizing chemotherapy can instantly demoralize a person. My father was diagnosed with colorectal cancer in September 2005, died in June 2009. He went through 2 surgeries, 6 rounds of chemo, 45 rounds of radiation - his quality of life during the last few months of his life was tragic. I also know what my mother went through barely 4 months after his death, with her own cancer diagnosis.

So she wanted to consult with a homeopathic practitioner (who also happens to be one of our tenants; he runs his practice out of an apartment he leases from us) and I went along with her. I don't believe in it myself - I haven't done any research on it apart from the Wikipedia page which calls it quackery, pseudoscience and attributes whatever little success it has to the placebo effect. And yeah, I recollect the James Randi TED talk on the subject.

So I'm sitting there and he tells me mother not to go to her appointment tomorrow (where 'they will just cut out more parts of your body, run some toxic chemo through your veins and buy you a few more months or years') but instead go for his 'treatment'. He promised her she will be cancer-free, with ZERO probability of recurrence and made some bogus claims. At one point, he asked my mom how she wanted to proceed. My mom looked at me and I politely said, "Let's keep our appointment for tomorrow."

The homeopathic 'doctor' became a bit defensive at that point. I had remained perfectly silent until that point and then, he started off on this tirade about how 'people read nonsense on the Internet and dismiss alternative medicine, everyone believes they are an expert, everyone is an enlightened skeptic, nobody is willing to give legitimate science a chance' and all other kinds of nonsense. I remained silent again, and then my sister (also present there, also a believer in homeopathy) had some concerns if experimenting with his trial could possibly end up complicating my mother's condition. Once again, he started off on a rant about 'corrupt modern medicine lobbyists' and how 'he and his fraternity have found the cure for cancer but are being squashed by politics and lobbyists' and random bullshit and I finally lost my cool.

Called him a quack preying on the weak and the broken, told him he should have been a fucking billionaire if he really could cure cancer instead of running a shitty practice out of a three-bedroom apartment (that he lives in with his wife and kid) and walked out of there.

My Mom and sis decided to speak to him for another half an hour while I waited in the car outside. She has now convinced herself that she will give Mr. I-have-cured-cancer a month or two to 'see how it goes'.

All I can do is hope that delaying treatment doesn't drastically reduce her lifespan. My mother is an educated woman (Vice-Principal of a school with around 600 students). She is well-read. When my Dad was sick, she went through reams of medical books and is no stranger to science. But she's now choosing not to get treatment.

Fucking snakeoil salesmen. I'm afraid asking this here but...am I being completely unreasonable? My sister thinks I am 'closed-minded'. I realize that there is always some groundbreaking discovery that no one thought of before. I was just watching this TED Talk the other day and I realize that there may still be hope for cancer treatment in places we haven't looked yet - but I sure as hell know that ridiculous, pompous quack hasn't stumbled upon it.

This day sucks.
 
Man, I feel your pain. She's scared of going through treatment again. If she chooses this path, just be as supportive as possible. She needs good vibes and positivity right now.

Stay strong and PM me if you would like to vent. (i lost my own mom in 2003 to colorectal cancer)
 
No, you arent being close minded or unreasonable. Tell her to drink a glass of water - it will be identical to any homeopathic solution.

Sadly the homeopathic practicioner is not a snake oil salesman - he actually believes in his product. However, he is incredibly ignorant.

Of all the alternative medicines to choose from, your Mom somehow chose the one that is a placebo. I mean its just water.

Try to persuade your mom against wasting her money and energy on this dude.

My dad died of cancer - my sympathies to you.
 
I wish you could take these idiots to court for misleading their patients and inevitably killing them. Sure, some of the blame lies on the gullible "victim", but what they do should be a crime.
 
Called him a quack preying on the weak and the broken, told him he should have been a fucking billionaire if he really could cure cancer instead of running a shitty practice out of a three-bedroom apartment (that he lives in with his wife and kid) and walked out of there.

You got that right. Homeopathy is garbage, and it will hasten your Mom's decline.

But, there's nothing you can do about what your Mom wants to do.

Stand back and wait and do what you can to help.
 
Sorry to hear about your mother. Please avoid and stop talking to this guy. Have your mom ask for proof and possibly references too people that he has actually cured of cancer. When he can't, hopefully your mother will be able to ignore this fraud.
 
Ask your mom to do both, at the same time.
I did. But she doesn't want to. The homeopathy guy convinced her that she doesn't need 'conventional medicine' and it fits right in with her fear of surgery/chemo. I would be fine if she was taking some homeopathic magic potion in addition to regular treatment, if it helped ease her emotional state.

If I'm unable to convince her otherwise, I can only hope delaying treatment by a month doesn't aggravate things any worse.
 
Your mother's fear of additional cancer treatment is certainly rational, but what she's doing is dangerous and delaying treatment could absolutely harm her prognosis.

I generally just roll my eyes at homeopathy but in this case the guy is worse than just a con artist. He is encouraging your mother to avoid life-extending treatment. Yes, modern cancer treatment is brutal and it sucks, but it's the lesser of two evils. Homeopathy is complete and utter quackery with no value whatsoever. Honestly, if you used physical violence against this charlatan and I were on the jury that tried you I'd vote to acquit. He is doing real, physical harm to your mother and needs to be stopped.
 
homeopathy sometimes gets confused with alternative medicine.

Homeopathy is the failed theory that diluting a substance(such as magic cancer killing goat urine) millions of times in water, and subsequently ingesting that water, the effects of the substance can still be felt.
 
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I cant imagine how hard this is for you, ive never experienced this.

As long as your mother is cogniczant and being reasonable, i would say respect her wishes but be vocal with your own suggestions and make sure she understands that without herself reasonably justifying her actions, it may come off as erratic and surrenderish when maybe all hope isnt lost.

Maybe for her, going to the real doctor is worse then playing into a fantasy that will at least make her psychologically happy.

Does she have any statistical chances in any reason from the real docs?
 
Sigh, I knew you guys would back me up on this. She's resting now, I need to figure out a way to calmly get her to rethink her position. I don't want to confront her or let her feel that I am imposing my views on her. I would really like her to make the decision on her own.

Thanks everyone for your good will. I guess I need to relax for a while too.
 
I feel really bad for you, I'm not sure what I would do in a similar situation. It's scary how people buy into this kind of stuff, the same kind of scary as the people that are anti-vaccine. Some people just don't believe in science for some reason. I wish I had some advice to offer you, but simply be there for your mom and cherish whatever time you may have with her left.
 
You can tell her this:

Cancer is YOUR BODY killing itself.

Medicine basically removes the rogue cells and then puts a poison in your system that kills reproducing cells. Since cancer cells are much more reproductive than regular, they get hit the hardest, but the rest of your body also gets hit (as she knows).

I would recommend this: Do the treatment AGAIN. AFTER she is cleared, go to the Homeopathic to "prevent another recurrence".

If nothing comes back, both can claim victory.

If something comes back, then the homeopathy was bupkus.
 
I did. But she doesn't want to. The homeopathy guy convinced her that she doesn't need 'conventional medicine' and it fits right in with her fear of surgery/chemo. I would be fine if she was taking some homeopathic magic potion in addition to regular treatment, if it helped ease her emotional state.

If I'm unable to convince her otherwise, I can only hope delaying treatment by a month doesn't aggravate things any worse.

If so, he could very well be contributing to her death. At the very least, it sounds like he's practicing medicine without a license. You might be able to contact local health authorities and get him shut down, or maybe even hire a lawyer and see if there's a way to stop him with an injunction or whatever.
 
If it really is homeopathy, she will be paying money to drink water that does nothing outside of the placebo effect.

If you do some Googling, you'll find ample evidence that no one has been able to prove that it works in scientifically valid tests.

I can understand wanting to refuse conventional treatment, but she needs to understand that this alternative does nothing. If she gave the money to cancer research instead it might do some good.

It might make sense to look for real, science-based treatments such as clinical trials. The non-quack ones should be free and possibly even cover any travel expenses. In my opinion the ones charging a fee to "cover their costs" should be avoided.

Edit: James Randi has offered a $1 million challenge for many years to prove it works, no one has claimed it. I vaguely recall seeing video of one failed attempt, possibly on Penn & Teller.
 
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I feel for you, my dad has prostate cancer and it can be very difficult to be supportive sometimes when you don't agree with their decisions (he decided not to treat because he "doesn't feel sick").

Unfortunately it sounds like your mom is scared and desperate and the tenant is preying upon that. My advice: accompany her to every appt, consultation, etc that you can. Not only can you be supportive but you also can keep an eagle eye on this "practitioner"; expect him to try to bilk her out of as much money as possible before she passes.

If your mom is as educated as you say and has any reasonable objective analytical ability about her situation try this:

So I'm sitting there and he tells me mother not to go to her appointment tomorrow (where 'they will just cut out more parts of your body, run some toxic chemo through your veins and buy you a few more months or years') but instead go for his 'treatment'. He promised her she will be cancer-free, with ZERO probability of recurrence and made some bogus claims. At one point, he asked my mom how she wanted to proceed. My mom looked at me and I politely said, "Let's keep our appointment for tomorrow."

Objectively, this is an illogical statement. It is impossible to say with certainty that cancer does not exist. Even the best tests and scanners cannot detect absence of cancer. Any empirical doctor will do a test and say "There is no evidence of existence" not "There is evidence of it not existing". This practitioner has fallen prey to one of the most basic logical fallacies, namely that absence of evidence is evidence of absence. If this learned man can make such a basic illogical leap and statement how can she trust any of the other claims he makes?

It might not work, but it might just sow the seed of doubt necessary.
 
It should actually be illegal to sell somebody on an unproven cure to a fatal condition, luring them in with marketing.
 
What can you do? It's a free world; sort of... If she's determined not to get conventional treatment, try steering her towards some kind of herbal therapy. At least that might do something.

If I got cancer, I doubt I'd get treatment of any kind unless it had an almost flawless record of recovery. You gotta die some time, and an extra year or something isn't worth the sickness of being pumped full of chemicals, or radiation. Life isn't living if you're miserable.
 
Skip homeopathy, of course--but shying away from chemo isn't necessarily a bad thing. Convince her to work on a cancer diet. Unlike homeopathy, these can actually work.

http://cancer-diet.net/

definitely research for more specificity, though.

Main thing: no sugar. NONE. metastatic cells fucking LOVE sugar.

GL
 
Pretty much all of the semi-legit uses (and I'm using that phrase very loosely) of homeopathy to treat cancer that I've been reading about relate to treating side-effects of more conventional treatments. I don't buy into that hocus-pocus stuff, but if it makes a patient feel better and doesn't do any harm, I might be okay with using it as a complementary therapy, even if it is completely attributable to a placebo effect.

HOWEVER, any motherfucker that claims his watered-down BS will cure cancer and that your mom should cancel her appointment with her oncologist is a charlatan of the worst kind, and should be punched in the brain.

Just be nice to your mom when you try to reason with her.
 
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