Mom kills sons, self at gun range

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
She didn't even own the gun, it belonged to the shooting range.

Perhaps we should outlaw shooting ranges??

Or simply implement better safety rules and features at that particular range. Of course, gun safety in unamerican :laugh:

What kind of safety rule prevents this type of thing from happening??

Everyone has to take turns firing the same gun?

How about people with mental illness or a history there-of can't own, practice or shoot guns at all?

If it weren't constitutionally protected, I wouldn't disagree with this.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Another day, another gun crime in America.

One of the consequences of living in a free society. I know you would prefer that we shred the Constitution and live under international law.. but these guns are the exact reason why that will never happen. Thanks for hating America asshole.

There is an international gun law? Sweet! What is it exactly?

I didn't say international GUN law specifically. Its just by his anti-gun owner stance on issues he is clearly against our OWN Constitution - Which can only lead me to believe he would prefer to be governed by something other than our supreme document of the land. I'm sure there are international gun laws though, especially regarding the sale of distribution of weapons between countries.. especially those considered terrorist supporting.. But, since I realize you were just being a jackass I won't get into that.

Well international arms dealing regulation would be irrelevent to this issue anyway. You know that's not what I meant.

So, you believe the US consitution, and the current interpretaion of it's vagueness, should last until the end of time? The men who wrote it knew all things for all ages and anyone who suggests changing or reinterpreting it must actually want a foriegn government installed? This doesn't seem slightly crazy to you?

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
She didn't even own the gun, it belonged to the shooting range.

Perhaps we should outlaw shooting ranges??

Or simply implement better safety rules and features at that particular range. Of course, gun safety in unamerican :laugh:

Please, do tell what rules you would put in place to prevent this at a range? Maybe you could come up with something that would prevent people from drowning someone in a lake, or stabbing someone in a kitchen while you are at it?

 

[QuantumPion]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: senseamp
You don't even have to have a gun permit to rent a gun at gun range for practice, even here in California. I don't think much of anything could have prevented this.

Well, the requirement to have a gun permit and all corresponding checks would have gone along way to prevent this.

The solution isn't outlawing guns, it's regulating them better.

How do you figure this? Did she have a background of mental health problems or criminal behavior?


Remember that mother whom drowned her 5 kids in the bathtub one by one? That was pretty messed up. Maybe we should require all women to be licensed to have sex and require a permit to have a kid to prevent that sort of tragedy as well.

 

[Jack Flash]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
She didn't even own the gun, it belonged to the shooting range.

Perhaps we should outlaw shooting ranges??

Or simply implement better safety rules and features at that particular range. Of course, gun safety in unamerican :laugh:

What kind of safety rule prevents this type of thing from happening??

Everyone has to take turns firing the same gun?

How about people with mental illness or a history there-of can't own, practice or shoot guns at all?

Sure thing. Please surrender an additional 2% of your annual income to establish a national mental health registry and instant check system.

I'm all for reallocating tax money to accomplish this. These tragedies occur when mental unstable people get their hands on guns, not the sane gun owners.

 

[Hacp]

If you go to a shooting range, you accept a risk inherently. Its very easy for some crazy bastard to jump behind you and blow your head off. However, luckily, the risk is very small and chances are that you aren't going to be affected. Your chances of getting cancer are probably higher.

 

[Jack Flash]

Originally posted by: QuantumPion

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: senseamp
You don't even have to have a gun permit to rent a gun at gun range for practice, even here in California. I don't think much of anything could have prevented this.

Well, the requirement to have a gun permit and all corresponding checks would have gone along way to prevent this.

The solution isn't outlawing guns, it's regulating them better.

How do you figure this? Did she have a background of mental health problems or criminal behavior?


Remember that mother whom drowned her 5 kids in the bathtub one by one? That was pretty messed up. Maybe we should require all women to be licensed to have sex and require a permit to have a kid to prevent that sort of tragedy as well.

"Mitchell's father, Charles Moore, told police that Marie Moore had a history of mental illness and had previously attempted suicide and been involuntarily committed to a mental hospital in 2002 under the state's Baker Act. "

From the OP. Shouldn't have been allowed to shoot a thing.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: senseamp
You don't even have to have a gun permit to rent a gun at gun range for practice, even here in California. I don't think much of anything could have prevented this.

Well, the requirement to have a gun permit and all corresponding checks would have gone along way to prevent this.

The solution isn't outlawing guns, it's regulating them better.

You generally are not required to have a gun permit to rent a gun at a range, as long as you don't take it off the property. I've gone to ranges and shot guns without a permit.

 

[Jack Flash]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: senseamp
You don't even have to have a gun permit to rent a gun at gun range for practice, even here in California. I don't think much of anything could have prevented this.

Well, the requirement to have a gun permit and all corresponding checks would have gone along way to prevent this.

The solution isn't outlawing guns, it's regulating them better.

You generally are not required to have a gun permit to rent a gun at a range, as long as you don't take it off the property. I've gone to ranges and shot guns without a permit.

And that's something I disagree with.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
She didn't even own the gun, it belonged to the shooting range.

Perhaps we should outlaw shooting ranges??

Or simply implement better safety rules and features at that particular range. Of course, gun safety in unamerican :laugh:

What kind of safety rule prevents this type of thing from happening??

Everyone has to take turns firing the same gun?

When I learned to shoot we lay down with the rifle, and only then were handed a specific number of rounds, and cleared to load and fire. After firing every round and removing all the brass we had to show the instructor the empty breach before getting up and walking off. In this way nobody who was not actually firing had a loaded weapon in their hands, and therefore, it would be impossible to walk up behind someone and shoot them, as this woman did. Simple as that.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Another day, another gun crime in America.

Interesting you should say that.......on the face of things it appears to be true....but being the smart individual that you want people to think you are....you know thats not true!!

It was premeditated...as in planned....if it wasn`t with a gun she would have done it some other way....

Via an automobile accident.....should we outlaw automobiles??
Via while her son sletp using a knife possible...should we outlaw knives?

Possibly even pushing her son out a window...should we outlaw windows...see my point...


The saying as you so aptly used ---- Another day, another gun crime in America.

Is just that a saying with no meaning...

 

[QuantumPion]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Another day, another gun crime in America.

One of the consequences of living in a free society. I know you would prefer that we shred the Constitution and live under international law.. but these guns are the exact reason why that will never happen. Thanks for hating America asshole.

There is an international gun law? Sweet! What is it exactly?

I didn't say international GUN law specifically. Its just by his anti-gun owner stance on issues he is clearly against our OWN Constitution - Which can only lead me to believe he would prefer to be governed by something other than our supreme document of the land. I'm sure there are international gun laws though, especially regarding the sale of distribution of weapons between countries.. especially those considered terrorist supporting.. But, since I realize you were just being a jackass I won't get into that.

Well international arms dealing regulation would be irrelevent to this issue anyway. You know that's not what I meant.

So, you believe the US consitution, and the current interpretaion of it's vagueness, should last until the end of time? The men who wrote it knew all things for all ages and anyone who suggests changing or reinterpreting it must actually want a foriegn government installed? This doesn't seem slightly crazy to you?

The founders specifically knew that they would not be able to foresee the future of society. That's why they they implemented a method of changing the constitution when required, and also why they put the 2nd amendment in there in the first place.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Another day, another gun crime in America.

One of the consequences of living in a free society. I know you would prefer that we shred the Constitution and live under international law.. but these guns are the exact reason why that will never happen. Thanks for hating America asshole.

There is an international gun law? Sweet! What is it exactly?

I didn't say international GUN law specifically. Its just by his anti-gun owner stance on issues he is clearly against our OWN Constitution - Which can only lead me to believe he would prefer to be governed by something other than our supreme document of the land. I'm sure there are international gun laws though, especially regarding the sale of distribution of weapons between countries.. especially those considered terrorist supporting.. But, since I realize you were just being a jackass I won't get into that.

Well international arms dealing regulation would be irrelevent to this issue anyway. You know that's not what I meant.

So, you believe the US consitution, and the current interpretaion of it's vagueness, should last until the end of time? The men who wrote it knew all things for all ages and anyone who suggests changing or reinterpreting it must actually want a foriegn government installed? This doesn't seem slightly crazy to you?

Take the advice given to you in your sig.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Another day, another gun crime in America.

One of the consequences of living in a free society. I know you would prefer that we shred the Constitution and live under international law.. but these guns are the exact reason why that will never happen. Thanks for hating America asshole.

There is an international gun law? Sweet! What is it exactly?

I didn't say international GUN law specifically. Its just by his anti-gun owner stance on issues he is clearly against our OWN Constitution - Which can only lead me to believe he would prefer to be governed by something other than our supreme document of the land. I'm sure there are international gun laws though, especially regarding the sale of distribution of weapons between countries.. especially those considered terrorist supporting.. But, since I realize you were just being a jackass I won't get into that.

Well international arms dealing regulation would be irrelevent to this issue anyway. You know that's not what I meant.

So, you believe the US consitution, and the current interpretaion of it's vagueness, should last until the end of time? The men who wrote it knew all things for all ages and anyone who suggests changing or reinterpreting it must actually want a foriegn government installed? This doesn't seem slightly crazy to you?

Then amend the constitution to change it.. there is a process to do that. Until it is, its the founding document of which ALL law is ultimately governed by in this country. What if 75% of the people of the country decided blacks didn't have the right to vote anymore - Would you support that because the political winds say its OK? Or would you expect the supreme court to say NO WAY and uphold the document as its written?

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
She didn't even own the gun, it belonged to the shooting range.

Perhaps we should outlaw shooting ranges??

Or simply implement better safety rules and features at that particular range. Of course, gun safety in unamerican :laugh:

Please, do tell what rules you would put in place to prevent this at a range? Maybe you could come up with something that would prevent people from drowning someone in a lake, or stabbing someone in a kitchen while you are at it?

See above...

And BTW, of course there are things to prevent people drowning in a lake, like a railing round the boat, or children wearing life jackets, or learning to fucking swim... what's wrong with that?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: senseamp
You don't even have to have a gun permit to rent a gun at gun range for practice, even here in California. I don't think much of anything could have prevented this.

Well, the requirement to have a gun permit and all corresponding checks would have gone along way to prevent this.

The solution isn't outlawing guns, it's regulating them better.

You generally are not required to have a gun permit to rent a gun at a range, as long as you don't take it off the property. I've gone to ranges and shot guns without a permit.

And that's something I disagree with.

Ummm, excuse, me, but there is no such thing as a 'gun permit', except in certain few states. There are concealed weapon permits in most states, but not general ownership permits. Implementation of such rules would be incredibly difficult, stepping on 2nd, 4th, 10th, and god knows what other amendments. Once implemented you'd have a permanent, costly, expanded government agency/program. You'd also have to amend/repeal any number of state and federal laws, re-examine umpteen cases currently in litigation (or possibly even previous cases)...I'm not saying don't do it, I'm making you aware that it would take a majority of the focus of the government and come at an extreme cost to taxpayers. If you think that's a good idea right now then go ahead and support it.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: JD50
Take the advice given to you in your sig.

I'd be glad to credit you with that stement along with OCguy - I'm sure everyone would like to know who all the racists and xenophobes are. Should I go ahead and do that?

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
She didn't even own the gun, it belonged to the shooting range.

Perhaps we should outlaw shooting ranges??

Or simply implement better safety rules and features at that particular range. Of course, gun safety in unamerican :laugh:

What kind of safety rule prevents this type of thing from happening??

Everyone has to take turns firing the same gun?

When I learned to shoot we lay down with the rifle, and only then were handed a specific number of rounds, and cleared to load and fire. After firing every round and removing all the brass we had to show the instructor the empty breach before getting up and walking off. In this way nobody who was not actually firing had a loaded weapon in their hands, and therefore, it would be impossible to walk up behind someone and shoot them, as this woman did. Simple as that.

And you couldn't have loaded the gun, turned it around, and shot the instructor? Unless you were somehow firing the gun through mind control?

 

[palehorse]

WE MUST...

Ban Microwave Ovens!!

Ban Bathtubs!!

Ban Clothes Dryers!!

Ban Leather Belts AND Bathtubs!! (Bathtubs may require a national registry of some sort... they're just way too dangerous!)

Ban Kitchen Knives!!

Ban Matches and Rags!!

Oh, the humanity! If only we had more rules, more laws, and more national databases to save us!

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
She didn't even own the gun, it belonged to the shooting range.

Perhaps we should outlaw shooting ranges??

Or simply implement better safety rules and features at that particular range. Of course, gun safety in unamerican :laugh:

What kind of safety rule prevents this type of thing from happening??

Everyone has to take turns firing the same gun?

How about people with mental illness or a history there-of can't own, practice or shoot guns at all?

Great idea!!!!

While we are at it let's pass a law that says "It is illegal to do stupid stuff." since that should cover everything and put an end to a lot of the things going wrong in this country.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
She didn't even own the gun, it belonged to the shooting range.

Perhaps we should outlaw shooting ranges??

Or simply implement better safety rules and features at that particular range. Of course, gun safety in unamerican :laugh:

What kind of safety rule prevents this type of thing from happening??

Everyone has to take turns firing the same gun?

When I learned to shoot we lay down with the rifle, and only then were handed a specific number of rounds, and cleared to load and fire. After firing every round and removing all the brass we had to show the instructor the empty breach before getting up and walking off. In this way nobody who was not actually firing had a loaded weapon in their hands, and therefore, it would be impossible to walk up behind someone and shoot them, as this woman did. Simple as that.

That was a gun course. This was a gun range. Slightly different. Adding controls like this is very costly, which has to be passed on to someone, generally the consumer. With things tight as they are, added costs could equate to failed businesses, further exacerbating the economic crisis. Not saying some controls aren't possible, just reminding you to consider the consequences.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
She didn't even own the gun, it belonged to the shooting range.

Perhaps we should outlaw shooting ranges??

Or simply implement better safety rules and features at that particular range. Of course, gun safety in unamerican :laugh:

Please, do tell what rules you would put in place to prevent this at a range? Maybe you could come up with something that would prevent people from drowning someone in a lake, or stabbing someone in a kitchen while you are at it?

See above...

And BTW, of course there are things to prevent people drowning in a lake, like a railing round the boat, or children wearing life jackets, or learning to fucking swim... what's wrong with that?

And whats preventing you from pushing someover OVER that railing and holding them under water? Or you taking the life jacket OFF the child and throwing them overboard? Whats stopping you from doing that?

 

[Chunkee]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Tragic

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: senseamp
You don't even have to have a gun permit to rent a gun at gun range for practice, even here in California. I don't think much of anything could have prevented this.

Well, the requirement to have a gun permit and all corresponding checks would have gone along way to prevent this.

The solution isn't outlawing guns, it's regulating them better.

You generally are not required to have a gun permit to rent a gun at a range, as long as you don't take it off the property. I've gone to ranges and shot guns without a permit.

And that's something I disagree with.

I don't, and I am for gun control. It's private property though, so if they want to let people without permits shoot guns, that should be their decision.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Another day, another gun crime in America.

Interesting you should say that.......on the face of things it appears to be true....but being the smart individual that you want people to think you are....you know thats not true!!

It was premeditated...as in planned....if it wasn`t with a gun she would have done it some other way....

Via an automobile accident.....should we outlaw automobiles??
Via while her son sletp using a knife possible...should we outlaw knives?

Possibly even pushing her son out a window...should we outlaw windows...see my point...


The saying as you so aptly used ---- Another day, another gun crime in America.

Is just that a saying with no meaning...

Jpeyton has shown time and again that he can't understand a logical argument. So while you are correct, it will unfortunately fall on deaf, uncomprehending ears.