Mom kills sons, self at gun range

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CASSELBERRY, Fla. (April 8) - A central Florida woman who fatally shot her son then killed herself at a shooting range wrote in suicide notes to her boyfriend that she was trying to save her son.
"I'm so sorry," Marie Moore wrote several times. "I had to send my son to heaven and myself to Hell."
She signed two of the notes "Failed Queen."
Authorities said Wednesday they still had no motive for the murder-suicide that shocked fellow customers and employees at the Shoot Straight range in Casselberry, about 10 miles north of Orlando, on Sunday.
"We have no clue. I don't even want to begin to speculate," said Deputy Chief Bill McNeil of the Casselberry Police Department.

The gun range's security video shows 20-year-old Mitchell Moore taking aim at a target in a booth when his mother, 44, walks up behind him and points a gun at the back of his head. In the next frame, the son is seen falling to the ground and a nearby patron appears to alert others as he points to the unseen carnage.
The gun used was rented at the range.
According to a police report, earlier footage from the surveillance video shows the mother and son taking turns shooting and talking with other customers in the adjacent lane. "They seem to be getting along fine," one of the responding officers said.

The son died at the scene. Marie Moore was still alive when officers arrived at the range but later died at a hospital.
Mitchell's father, Charles Moore, told police that Marie Moore had a history of mental illness and had previously attempted suicide and been involuntarily committed to a mental hospital in 2002 under the state's Baker Act.
Larry Anderson, a manager at Shoot Straight, said it's unclear whether the Moores had been to the range before, but they weren't regular customers. The range requires that customers fill out a form with a series of questions, including whether they have ever been convicted of a felony or been declared mentally unstable. But it has no way to verify the information.
Anderson defended the range's policies, saying: "If someone acts right, we have to assume they are right."
Based on the writings and audio recordings that he's seen in the media, Anderson said, it's clear that Marie Moore was "bent on doing it."
"Sometimes, like what happens Sunday, you have no control," Anderson said. "There's nothing you can do to prevent it."
 

OCGuy

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What I posted in the OT thread on this same story:

Originally posted by: OCguy
Gee, so now every shooting someone is going to post.


Its like 5 or so years ago when the "Amber Alert" was the big thing on the news. It seemed like someone was getting kidnapped everyday. In reality, it was nothing new.

 

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Another day, another gun crime in America.
 

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Quick question by a non American. What is required in the majority of states to get a gun, and are there different rules for different types like hunting rifles vs semi auto assault rifles?
 
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Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
Quick question by a non American. What is required in the majority of states to get a gun, and are there different rules for different types like hunting rifles vs semi auto assault rifles?

In most states you have to be 18 for long guns, 21 for handguns (though rules about receiving them as gifts vary). You fill out a form, have a criminal background check run on you, wait a few days (unless you have a concealed weapons permit, in which case there is no wait time), and then get your weapon. Some few states require a state issue firearm owner ID card which has additional requirements. At least, that's the legal way to go about things.

A semi-auto 'assault rifle' basically is a hunting rifle. The only differences are cosmetic, except for bolt action holdovers. There are different rules for handguns and long guns and, like previously stated, different rules from state to state sometimes.
 

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Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
Quick question by a non American. What is required in the majority of states to get a gun
A pulse.
 

Fear No Evil

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Another day, another gun crime in America.

One of the consequences of living in a free society. I know you would prefer that we shred the Constitution and live under international law.. but these guns are the exact reason why that will never happen. Thanks for hating America asshole.
 

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Another day, another gun crime in America.

One of the consequences of living in a free society. I know you would prefer that we shred the Constitution and live under international law.. but these guns are the exact reason why that will never happen. Thanks for hating America asshole.

There is an international gun law? Sweet! What is it exactly?
 

ProfJohn

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She didn't even own the gun, it belonged to the shooting range.

Perhaps we should outlaw shooting ranges??
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Another day, another gun crime in America.

One of the consequences of living in a free society. I know you would prefer that we shred the Constitution and live under international law.. but these guns are the exact reason why that will never happen. Thanks for hating America asshole.

:beer:
 

Fear No Evil

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
Quick question by a non American. What is required in the majority of states to get a gun
A pulse.

Since jpeyton is a fucktard, I'll actually give you some useful information..

Laws vary by state, but usually there is a 72 hour waiting period for an ATF background check. Any felonies, domestic violence, or dishonorable discharges (among other things) will get you denied. Rules for hunting rifles are sometimes different.

Here is a good link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...ited_States_(by_state)
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Another day, another crime in America.
fixed.

Nobody, and nothing, is to blame for this incident other than the woman's own mental illness. If it hadn't taken place at the range, with a gun, then it would have happened elsewhere and with whatever tool was on hand.

Poor kid...

PS: the OP better add some commentary to avoid getting the thread locked.
 

Atheus

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
She didn't even own the gun, it belonged to the shooting range.

Perhaps we should outlaw shooting ranges??

Or simply implement better safety rules and features at that particular range. Of course, gun safety in unamerican :laugh:
 

Jack Flash

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They need a way to verify whether someone has committed a felony or has mental illness. Can't rely on people to tell the truth.
 

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Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
Quick question by a non American. What is required in the majority of states to get a gun, and are there different rules for different types like hunting rifles vs semi auto assault rifles?

Buying any gun in any state requires at minimum 2 valid ID's and a NICS check (instant background check based on your social security number). You have to be 18, legal citizen (I think permanent resident counts too IIRC), and no criminal or mental health problem background which would preclude firearm ownership. This includes being under a restraining order, have a dishonorable military discharge, etc.

Handgun purchase requires you to be 21, and there are more regulations by state. Some stats have a 1-gun-per-month law, e.g. Also I think the background check is more thorough in some way but I can't remember.

Assault weapons" are usually treated the same as regular rifles, since that is what they are. I recently bought an AR-15 (an "assault weapon"); I didn't know this until I went to pick it up, but by VA law you have to have three valid ID's, one of which has to be a passport or birth certificate.

Title II firearms, i.e. real assault weapons, silencers, short-barreled weapons, explosives, and AOW's (any other weapons, such as cane-guns, briefcase guns, etc) require much more thorough background check. This means permission of local sheriff, and a full FBI background investigation which can take 3-6 months.

 

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The gun range's security video shows 20-year-old Mitchell Moore taking aim at a target in a booth when his mother, 44, walks up behind him and points a gun at the back of his head. In the next frame, the son is seen falling to the ground and a nearby patron appears to alert others as he points to the unseen carnage.

That's really sad. :(
 

Fear No Evil

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Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Another day, another gun crime in America.

One of the consequences of living in a free society. I know you would prefer that we shred the Constitution and live under international law.. but these guns are the exact reason why that will never happen. Thanks for hating America asshole.

There is an international gun law? Sweet! What is it exactly?

I didn't say international GUN law specifically. Its just by his anti-gun owner stance on issues he is clearly against our OWN Constitution - Which can only lead me to believe he would prefer to be governed by something other than our supreme document of the land. I'm sure there are international gun laws though, especially regarding the sale of distribution of weapons between countries.. especially those considered terrorist supporting.. But, since I realize you were just being a jackass I won't get into that.
 

theeedude

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You don't even have to have a gun permit to rent a gun at gun range for practice, even here in California. I don't think much of anything could have prevented this.
 

BurnItDwn

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Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
She didn't even own the gun, it belonged to the shooting range.

Perhaps we should outlaw shooting ranges??

Or simply implement better safety rules and features at that particular range. Of course, gun safety in unamerican :laugh:

How about we don't make any new rules and just say that the women was fvcking crazy and nobody had any way to know it. It's tragic that her son died, but making more restrictions and more laws is not the answer.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
She didn't even own the gun, it belonged to the shooting range.

Perhaps we should outlaw shooting ranges??

Or simply implement better safety rules and features at that particular range. Of course, gun safety in unamerican :laugh:
What kind of safety rule prevents this type of thing from happening??

Everyone has to take turns firing the same gun?
 

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Originally posted by: senseamp
You don't even have to have a gun permit to rent a gun at gun range for practice, even here in California. I don't think much of anything could have prevented this.

Well, the requirement to have a gun permit and all corresponding checks would have gone along way to prevent this.

The solution isn't outlawing guns, it's regulating them better.
 

Jack Flash

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
She didn't even own the gun, it belonged to the shooting range.

Perhaps we should outlaw shooting ranges??

Or simply implement better safety rules and features at that particular range. Of course, gun safety in unamerican :laugh:
What kind of safety rule prevents this type of thing from happening??

Everyone has to take turns firing the same gun?

How about people with mental illness or a history there-of can't own, practice or shoot guns at all?
 

Atreus21

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"We have no clue. I don't even want to begin to speculate," said Deputy Chief Bill McNeil of the Casselberry Police Department.

Jesus Christ. An event like this would cause me to resign. What a horrible event.
 
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Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
She didn't even own the gun, it belonged to the shooting range.

Perhaps we should outlaw shooting ranges??

Or simply implement better safety rules and features at that particular range. Of course, gun safety in unamerican :laugh:
What kind of safety rule prevents this type of thing from happening??

Everyone has to take turns firing the same gun?

How about people with mental illness or a history there-of can't own, practice or shoot guns at all?

Sure thing. Please surrender an additional 2% of your annual income to establish a national mental health registry and instant check system.