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[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: DefRef

Originally posted by: sandorski
It's not worth it. Even before the DX9 questions and before the charges/proof of "optomizing" for benchmarks by decreasing quality, the 5900U had a small lead on the 9800 Pro, but was priced significantly higher.

He didn't specify that he was looking at the 5900U, just a 5900 which is currently reatiling for around ~$300, like the 9800NP. (The days of $500 video cards are over, I think (hope), thank gawd.) That said, the 9800NP is a better buy, but that's not what he was asking and until FINAL Det50s come out, it's unknown how they match up.

Big Lar: Once again, unless you NEED an ungrade this very moment, hang on for the picture to come clearer with the Det50s or the next gen of cards. What if you go for a 9800 and the NV40 arrives and it rules? Even if it doesn't, it'll drive the 9800 prices down and you'll save that way. Patience. You're not gonna die in the next 3-4 months, are ya?

$237 for 5900 non ultra


$255 for 9800 Non pro

whoever pays $300 for a 9800 Non Pro is either an idiot or has too much money on his or her hands. NEVER pay retail 😀

 

[DefRef]

Originally posted by: shady06
Whoever pays $300 for a 9800 Non Pro is either an idiot or has too much money on his or her hands. NEVER pay retail 😀

I haven't priced cards in over a month since I built my rig, so all I had to reference is what I've noted on the Beast Buy shelf as I pass by. Heck, in early August, they were ~$400 and thus thought the $340 deal I got was pretty good, only to watch priced get slashed $100 THE WEEK AFTER I buy and now these prices. Yeah, it sucks.😱

Ironic thing is I bought early cuz I wanted to get my rig together and stable before HL2 shipped on the 30th and it looks like Valve lied about that as well. This Alcatraz thing isn't gonna be a release party, it's gonna be an announcement party IMO. They're in bed with ATI and it's just a canny stunt to freeze buyers onto their stuff.

Oh, and for all you Fanboys who keep yelping about how Nvidia's been caught cheating and they should never be trusted again, I've got one thing to remind you about:

Quack.

 

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Originally posted by: DefRef

Originally posted by: shady06
Whoever pays $300 for a 9800 Non Pro is either an idiot or has too much money on his or her hands. NEVER pay retail 😀

I haven't priced cards in over a month since I built my rig, so all I had to reference is what I've noted on the Beast Buy shelf as I pass by. Heck, in early August, they were ~$400 and thus thought the $340 deal I got was pretty good, only to watch priced get slashed $100 THE WEEK AFTER I buy and now these prices. Yeah, it sucks.😱

Ironic thing is I bought early cuz I wanted to get my rig together and stable before HL2 shipped on the 30th and it looks like Valve lied about that as well. This Alcatraz thing isn't gonna be a release party, it's gonna be an announcement party IMO. They're in bed with ATI and it's just a canny stunt to freeze buyers onto their stuff.

Oh, and for all you Fanboys who keep yelping about how Nvidia's been caught cheating and they should never be trusted again, I've got one thing to remind you about:

Quack.

i dont you're wrong, but i hope you are about the alcatraz thing. 🙁

 

[nRollo]

Have any of you even looked at what 5900s cost these days?
$237 shipped at GameVE and Newegg. That is a LOT of performance for $237. .
HL2? Big deal, run it in DX 8.1. It's the ONE DX9 game coming out this year that I know that anyone really cares about.
Doom3? The $237 5900 will be faster at this and many Doom3 engine games, with the same IQ. Carmack said so, he's the only one who knows.
Driver cheats? Big deal. It's a couple of games, you can get around the cheats anyway.
Every other game on the planet? The 5900 should be about as fast as a 9800Pro, and costs much less.
IQ? Blah blah blah. Yeah my 9800 Pro looks nice with it's 16XAF, and low loss AA. The 5800 I had looked great too though.

If you want to stick with nVidia, the 5900 is a HUGE upgrade from a 4600, and your ONLY reason not to buy it would be slower DX9 performance.

IMO, no current card offers acceptable DX9 performance anyway, including the one I own, the 9800Pro. If I'm giving up the AA/AF, I expect to see decent framerates. HL2 on current hardware offers NEITHER. I shudder to think of how jagged HL2 is going to look at 10X7 w/o AA, and where a the probably 65 fps average I'll have with my P4 2.53/9800Pro will go when a few of those big bugs start attacking. It's going to be like the old days when things just stopped and started, and you were just impressed to be playing a game on a computer.

 

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there is no way the 5900 non ultra is just as fast the 9800 pro in other games.

somepeople cant dismiss poor IQ and driver cheats as easily as you can rollo. also, i find it completely riduclous that you pay for a DX9 card and have to run ANY games in DX 8.1. also, didnt carmack also say that the HL2 performance results are indicitive of all future DX9 games?

there really isnt much difference between $237 and $255 esp considering that the $255 9800 non pro can be easily be converted into a 9800 pro. 9800 pro @ $255 = unbeatable value

 

[nRollo]

Oh, and for all you Fanboys who keep yelping about how Nvidia's been caught cheating and they should never be trusted again, I've got one thing to remind you about:

Quack.

No, no Def Ref. That was with ATIs LAST generation of cards! They would NEVER do it again if they were to get behind again! ATI has learned their lesson!

<of course, I wonder when foolish gamers who advertise heartless corporations products for FREE while the guys at the corps probably read their pimping and laugh at them will?>

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Oh, and for all you Fanboys who keep yelping about how Nvidia's been caught cheating and they should never be trusted again, I've got one thing to remind you about:

Quack.

No, no Def Ref. That was with ATIs LAST generation of cards! They would NEVER do it again if they were to get behind again! ATI has learned their lesson!

<of course, I wonder when foolish gamers who advertise heartless corporations products for FREE while the guys at the corps probably read their pimping and laugh at them will?>

LOL, you are guessing thar ATi will cheat if they fall behind. this is only a guess. unfortunately, nvidia has been in such a situation and we knew what they did: they cheated in 3dmark, nvidia fans thought they would learn their lesson. then aquamark 3 came around. now a lot of people feel this wasnt cheating, but its all the same in my book, they killed IQ to churn out more frames.

it is very amusing that you are trying to flip the situation and make it look like it is ATi's fault for Nvidia cheating and making poor products

 

[Jeff7181]

I'll let you know how I like my FX5900 128 MB card... will arrive sometime this week. I bought it cause I like AA and AF and my current card just doesn't cut it even when trying to run 2X AA and 4X AF in BF1942. Also the Dawn Demo is a bonus =)

 

[Big Lar]

My Intentions of this thread, was to see if the upgrade was worth the $. I can't believe that in this day and age, we can't all get along and just answer a post like adults, without starting all this flame war crap between rivals of different preferences of hardware. For those of you who replied to my question in honesty, I thank you. Tp the rest, all I can say is grow up.

 

[Rage187]

I have the asylum bfg 128 5900, and like it a whole bunch.


Some of my games look totally different(in a good way you ati kiddies), playing daoc and call of duty atm.

 

[spam]

Hi DefRef ,

Originally posted by: DefRef

Originally posted by: shady06
not worth to pay $$$ for a video card that wont be able to run DX9 games

This is the sort of Fanboy garbage that makes rational discussion impossible! To wit:

FACT: Nvidia FX-series cards can run DX9 games.

FACT: Current test results show that Nvidia FX cards have inferior performance in DX9 games.

CONCLUSION: ATI currently provides a better price/performance value ratio.

But to LIE and say that Nvidia cards can't run DX9 games is simply Fanboy bullsh*t, just like the thread saying that FX5200 shouldn't be allowed to claim DX9 compatibility just because they're dog slow!

This is how the ATI Fanboys turn boards into flame zones with a combination of childish d*ck-waving and outright distortions and lies in hopes that no one will call them out on their bullsh*t. (And when they get lit up too much, they go running for the Mods to ban anyone who dares oppose them. Babies.) No one likes a bad winner.

Why are you rude and deliberately obnoxious? Calling people Fan boys, etc... you reduce any conversation to name calling and insult. It is unpleasant to talk to you, are you just trolling for a reaction? I hope nobody responds to you in kind. Have you heard the saying,"He who flings mud loses ground?" -It applies to YOU.

Why do you deliberately misconstrue other peoples postings? You set up straw men to knock them down and never really address or effectively challenge the viewpoints of others. If that is what you want, then there is no way to talk to you or reason with you.

How you respond to this posting will be indicative of your maturity and character. Leave off with the petty diatribes and juvenile language. I would welcome a productive discussion with you.

 

[nRollo]

there is no way the 5900 non ultra is just as fast the 9800 pro in other games.

Really? Why wouldn't it be with a faster core/memory?

You'd never tell the difference at Nascar 2003
Somehow I doubt nVidia spent a lot of time optimizing for this title.

You wouldn't know the difference in IL2 Sturmovik, whatever the hell that is

You MIGHT notice the Q3 difference, but fps are high for all res, all cards
I notice they used their own demo too, to stress the cards to the max.

SS2 you'd only notice at 16X12

Splinter Cell you wouldn't notice

I'll leave UT2003 out of it, because nVidia cheats at this.

Perhaps I should have said, at most games and most settings up to 4X8X, you wouldn't notice the difference between a 5900 and a 9800Pro.
It's actually more fair to compare 5900s to 9800s as they're priced about the same anyway.

somepeople cant dismiss poor IQ and driver cheats as easily as you can rollo.

Some people harp on teeny tiny differences in IQ like it was a night and day sort of thing to Shady. "Ooh! Ooh! Look at the screenshot! I see a few more jaggies!"

also, i find it completely riduclous that you pay for a DX9 card and have to run ANY games in DX 8.1.

We'll see how many of us trade framerate for AA/AF and higher res when it comes out Shady. Those numbers from Gaber Day were PATHETIC on a P4 3.06 with 1 GHZ of RAM. What percent of gamers do you think HAVE a P4 3.06 GHZ?

also, didnt carmack also say that the HL2 performance results are indicitive of all future DX9 games?

Yep, and I didn't say they weren't. I said there's no other big DX9 titles coming out any time soon that I know of.

I have 43-44 games. I bet over half of them are based on Carmack's engines, and nVidia runs his engines fine. I think Max Payne, UTs, and GTAs are the only DX games I have that are worth anything.
So for an fps gamer like me, what's more important to have? A card that runs Carmacks engines well, or DX9?