Question speaks for itself, its upgrade time, and I am questioning whether its worth upgrading from a ti4600 to an fx5900 or not. All opinions Highly appreciated. THI.
Larry
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With this whol HL2 fiasco I'd wait and see how the 5900 does in HL2 with the new drivers and how it does with future games.
Any reason you aren't considering an ATI alternative?
Any reason you aren't considering an ATI alternative?
I've just read a couple times of people having issues with ati and the board I run, and don't wanna mess up a good overclock. I am sure it is a great card.
if you like to play games on hight quality, consider upgrading - do what the 2nd guy above me suggests, although I would just get the Radeon 9800 pro, otherwise, if you dont mind having to lower settings to play, or play on default settings, then stay with it.
Speaking as a recent purchaser of a Chaintech FX5900 (non-ultra, but OCed to Ultra speed and the only non with VIVO that I've seen), I've got to say that while everything runs like blazes at 1600x1200 with all details maxed (was running 1024 rez with detail up on an OCed Ti4400, the huge question mark about DX9 games makes me wonder how "future-proof" my investment is.
When the video card alone is 25%-40% of a rig's ticket, the ability to run 4 year old games like Q3 at a zillion FPS isn't much good if you want to play HL2 and D3 at playable rates with all eyecandy on. Until the final Det50 drivers drop and we can see what performance and quality results they kick out, I'd advise standing pat with what you've got - It's paid for, runs CURRENT games decently and you won't risk getting potentially screwed like many Nvidia users may have.
I've spoken out against the juvenille ATI Fanboys here, but when you strip away their infantile rhetoric and occasional outright lies, there is a kernel of fact in the middle of their noise and that is Nvidia has somehow kneecapped themselves and isn't being forthright about what the issues are what possible solutions may be and if they continue this "Baghdad Bob" routine of "The drivers are perfect. Oh, all that blurry and disappearing fog, that's not a cheat, that's a bug. We knew about that." is gonna cost them dearly since the hard-core gamers that they stake their bragging rights with are more likely to follow the details of drivers.
Nvidia's got access to the Interweb - they've got to see the beating their taking and SHOULD realize that the first thing sites are gonna look at are the IQ results vs. benchmark numbers. The audience is watching.
When the video card alone is 25%-40% of a rig's ticket, the ability to run 4 year old games like Q3 at a zillion FPS isn't much good if you want to play HL2 and D3 at playable rates with all eyecandy on. Until the final Det50 drivers drop and we can see what performance and quality results they kick out, I'd advise standing pat with what you've got - It's paid for, runs CURRENT games decently and you won't risk getting potentially screwed like many Nvidia users may have.
I've spoken out against the juvenille ATI Fanboys here, but when you strip away their infantile rhetoric and occasional outright lies, there is a kernel of fact in the middle of their noise and that is Nvidia has somehow kneecapped themselves and isn't being forthright about what the issues are what possible solutions may be and if they continue this "Baghdad Bob" routine of "The drivers are perfect. Oh, all that blurry and disappearing fog, that's not a cheat, that's a bug. We knew about that." is gonna cost them dearly since the hard-core gamers that they stake their bragging rights with are more likely to follow the details of drivers.
Nvidia's got access to the Interweb - they've got to see the beating their taking and SHOULD realize that the first thing sites are gonna look at are the IQ results vs. benchmark numbers. The audience is watching.
edmundoab
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I don't know about "juvenille ATI Fanboys", but I can say that right now ATI seems to have the upper hand in the top 3D garphics arena as far as playing games is concerned. Anyone here that knows me, will tell you that I have 7 nVidia cards in my pc's here at home, all accept mine.
The ATI 9800 right now stands out as the card to have. I'm running an ATI 9800 128mb and couldn't be happier.
Looking at what the 5900 Ultra and the 9800 Pro are "supposed to do", the 9800 is definately the card to get.
These cards are meant for DX9 compliancy. Although the 5900 runs DX9 it would appear that it defiantely has problems keeping up with the 9800's shaders....
A very good example of what I'm talking about can be read about here at Suhdian...
Take a look at the Halo numbers. Here is another title that uses shaders a lot. Does this look familier to you? It should it looks like the HL2 scores...
To quote Sudhian:
So if you intend buying for future games this ititeration, the ATI card looks like the one to go with.
Just remember it may change the next line of cards all over again
The ATI 9800 right now stands out as the card to have. I'm running an ATI 9800 128mb and couldn't be happier.
Looking at what the 5900 Ultra and the 9800 Pro are "supposed to do", the 9800 is definately the card to get.
These cards are meant for DX9 compliancy. Although the 5900 runs DX9 it would appear that it defiantely has problems keeping up with the 9800's shaders....
A very good example of what I'm talking about can be read about here at Suhdian...
Take a look at the Halo numbers. Here is another title that uses shaders a lot. Does this look familier to you? It should it looks like the HL2 scores...
To quote Sudhian:
So if you intend buying for future games this ititeration, the ATI card looks like the one to go with.
Just remember it may change the next line of cards all over again
I answered his question which was "Should I get a FX5900?", not, "Should I get a 5900 or a 9800?" I would advise the 9800 on the latter, but to stand on what he's got if he's just looking to upgrade for upgrades sake. The NV40/R400 round of chips may bring different recommendations, but who knows?
not worth to pay $$$ for a video card that performces quite a bit slower than the 9800m pro in DX9
edited to be more specific and less sloppy
edited to be more specific and less sloppy
Originally posted by: DefRef
Speaking as a recent purchaser of a Chaintech FX5900 (non-ultra, but OCed to Ultra speed and the only non with VIVO that I've seen), I've got to say that while everything runs like blazes at 1600x1200 with all details maxed (was running 1024 rez with detail up on an OCed Ti4400, the huge question mark about DX9 games makes me wonder how "future-proof" my investment is.
When the video card alone is 25%-40% of a rig's ticket, the ability to run 4 year old games like Q3 at a zillion FPS isn't much good if you want to play HL2 and D3 at playable rates with all eyecandy on. Until the final Det50 drivers drop and we can see what performance and quality results they kick out, I'd advise standing pat with what you've got - It's paid for, runs CURRENT games decently and you won't risk getting potentially screwed like many Nvidia users may have.
I've spoken out against the juvenille ATI Fanboys here, but when you strip away their infantile rhetoric and occasional outright lies, there is a kernel of fact in the middle of their noise and that is Nvidia has somehow kneecapped themselves and isn't being forthright about what the issues are what possible solutions may be and if they continue this "Baghdad Bob" routine of "The drivers are perfect. Oh, all that blurry and disappearing fog, that's not a cheat, that's a bug. We knew about that." is gonna cost them dearly since the hard-core gamers that they stake their bragging rights with are more likely to follow the details of drivers.
Nvidia's got access to the Interweb - they've got to see the beating their taking and SHOULD realize that the first thing sites are gonna look at are the IQ results vs. benchmark numbers. The audience is watching.
Very well said. :beer:
This is the sort of Fanboy garbage that makes rational discussion impossible! To wit:
FACT: Nvidia FX-series cards can run DX9 games.
FACT: Current test results show that Nvidia FX cards have inferior performance in DX9 games.
CONCLUSION: ATI currently provides a better price/performance value ratio.
But to LIE and say that Nvidia cards can't run DX9 games is simply Fanboy bullsh*t, just like the thread saying that FX5200 shouldn't be allowed to claim DX9 compatibility just because they're dog slow!
This is how the ATI Fanboys turn boards into flame zones with a combination of childish d*ck-waving and outright distortions and lies in hopes that no one will call them out on their bullsh*t. (And when they get lit up too much, they go running for the Mods to ban anyone who dares oppose them. Babies.) No one likes a bad winner.
I agree with DefRef's first post. His second was also reasonable. I ain't touchin' his third, though.
yeah yeah yeah, calm down. by not running DX9 games i meant running it poorly. had i known someone was gonna have an aneurysm i would have been more specific. and maybe i should sell my ti4200 so i can live up to your claim that i'm a Fanboi
It would be worth it if you want to run aa and af and do higher res etc. For those things, in dx8 games, the fx5900 is great. The only problem comes with dx9 games, in which it's having the trouble. If you're going to want to play some of those new dx9 games, the 9800 would be a smarter move.
Pete: Why not? Hey, let's try a little experiment:
Big Lar SHOULD buy a FX5900 because like all Nvidia cards, it doesn't cause war, famine or testicular cancer like ATI cards do. Aren't a few FPS in DX9 games a worthy tradeoff for preserving the entire human race?
Until ATI proves that they don't cause war, famine or testicular cancer, no one should buy their death-dealing abominations!!!
Let's see how long that stands.
Big Lar SHOULD buy a FX5900 because like all Nvidia cards, it doesn't cause war, famine or testicular cancer like ATI cards do. Aren't a few FPS in DX9 games a worthy tradeoff for preserving the entire human race?
Until ATI proves that they don't cause war, famine or testicular cancer, no one should buy their death-dealing abominations!!!
Let's see how long that stands.
If that's what you meant, then why didn't you say it in the first place?
Laziness and imprecision in language doesn't help in expression of coherent viewpoints, so either you were sloppy or are too used to like-minded Fanboys "knowing what you meant". Yeah, right....
i's sunday, of course my language is sloppy, hey it's sloppy on weekdays too. dont you ever do that? like when u talk to your friends about a slow car, dont u ever say something like "that car cant move". obviously, it moves but it is slow. thats the same kind of thing that i did
Good thing I quoted your reply before you changed it, but you kinda dug yourself into a deeper Truth Hole because as your hoping to deflect the Fanboy label, your signature contradicts you:Originally posted by: shady06
yeah yeah yeah, calm down. by not running DX9 games i meant running it poorly. had i known someone was gonna have an aneurysm i would have been more specific. and maybe i should sell my ti4200 so i can live up to your claim that i'm a Fanboi
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Lighten up, Dude. Be a proud Fanboy! Things are definitely looking good for ATI after years of mediocre hardware and ghastly drivers. Don't throw away that just because you got busted trying to lie on top of it all. It'd be like Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan taking performance-enhancing drugs when they're already the best of all time in their fields.
ATI makes the best whallop per dollah cards at the moment. Period. Fanboy lies on top of it are just stupid.
BTW: The initial question was whether the FX5900 is a good deal, not "Hey Fanboys, come crap on another thread, please." Get over yourselves.
He didn't specify that he was looking at the 5900U, just a 5900 which is currently reatiling for around ~$300, like the 9800NP. (The days of $500 video cards are over, I think (hope), thank gawd.) That said, the 9800NP is a better buy, but that's not what he was asking and until FINAL Det50s come out, it's unknown how they match up.
Big Lar: Once again, unless you NEED an ungrade this very moment, hang on for the picture to come clearer with the Det50s or the next gen of cards. What if you go for a 9800 and the NV40 arrives and it rules? Even if it doesn't, it'll drive the 9800 prices down and you'll save that way. Patience. You're not gonna die in the next 3-4 months, are ya?
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