Sigh.
No. I don't. I insist that the extra processing power of a pc, along with it's versatility, are a better selling point. I hope this isn't where you start with the straw man arguments, because I don't have the patience to deal with that.
I don't really ... what? What was the point of that? Are you trying to argue that I think games have stopped being developed for consoles?
With the exception of the kinect input device, yes, consoles are, and have been for a while stagnant technologies. Unless you're going to count adding a few gb of hdd space a notable improvement.
Actually, the gtx 460 768mb delivers similar frame rates to the ps3/consoles at 1080p, but that happens in the most demanding games up to date, on the highest settings; If the 460 isn't enough for 1080p and dx11, then the castrated 2005-2006 gpus in the ps3/xbox sure as hell aren't enough for dx9 either. By the way, the people who think that the gtx 580 ill equiped for 1080 are:
I'm sorry if that upsets you.
Oh boy, here we go.
So you really are going to rely on straw men for the most part of your post.
I never said your console is worthless and should be thrown away. Once again, in the simplest terms, I'm arguing that, if given a choice between buying a gaming pc and buying a console/ console + htpc, the gaming pc is the best choice. If you already have a console then, obviously, you're going to keep it and use it. Seriously, when did this even become an issue?
You're right, neither of us (yeah I get that you don't own a console, it's for the sake of argument [1]) can upgrade our machines. Oh ... mmm ... no, that's not how it goes. Let's see .... YOU can't upgrade your console (ever), while I can do that on my pc.Well I'll be damned.
Oh look, now it's the slippery slope argument. Meanwhile, the fact that I have superior graphics and performance for a bit more coin doesn't change one bit.(or for less coin if you're using a pc too). Now I'm going to sell my gpu for nearly as much as I bought it for and get a much faster one for not much more.
All the more reason why your console is a bad deal.*
*See point #1
What.
I assume you mean first person shooter, not frames per second. Anyway,
What.
My regular mouse and mouse pad are just fine for fps'.
What. It's the resolution that contributes to image quality, not the size, and there's no perceivable difference between 2ms and 5-8ms, which doesn't matter anyway, because most lcd's come with 2 ms response time.
You're trying to piss me off, aren't you?
Ah, now I see, this is an attempt at irony. Basically you're using the fact that average pc's aren't perfect as an excuse for the fact that consoles can't hold a candle to them. Did I get that right?
Didnotwatch.jpg, but I'll take your word for it that 50 fps isn't enought for the person/persons in the video
Yay, straw man number three. Well, if you weren't able to gather that all this time I have been advocating the exact opposite - that is, you can do just fine with a budget pc like, you know, the one that I spent 20 minutes to put together on newegg just so I could prove a point to you, which obviously happened to be a useless endeavor since I'm talking with the walls here; the $300 one - then I don't know what else to tell you.
This is just another issue that I tried to be specific on, and of course, you missed that. I said that comparing a psp to a pc, ps3 or xbox 360 is redundant, since the difference between a psp and a pc too big, much bigger than the difference between pc and ps3/xbox and does not belong in the same boxing ring. Otherwise there's no clear distinction between what should be compared with the pc and what shouldn't; We'd end up adding the atari 2600 and the NES in the discussion.
Never have I said the psp isn't a console.
So ... portability? Is that what you're trying to hint at? That analogy doesn't work though, because mobility is the main feature of a vehicle, while the main feature of a pc/console is shoving stuff on the screen. Sure, you could argue that mobility is an important feature of the psp, but what about the ps3 and the xbox 360? Can you hold those in your pocket?
Now, maybe you don't see the irony behind your attempt at irony. While the console is just a car, goes vroom vroom and that's it, the pc is indeed optimus prime, because it's not just a car, it's many other things. You know, more than meets the eye?
Not my pc buddy, and especially not the one I assembled on newegg for your consideration. And even if it was, why would I not choose "overkill" over "underperformer" if the price tag is similar? Makes no sense.
Aaaand strawman number 4. Ding ding ding we have a winner.
Ok, so, by now, you might have gathered that you're starting to annoy me and, while I can't stop you form posting again and wasting my time, I would ask you to read my post at least twice this time, and to try to use at least a bit of reading comprehension before replying. Thanks.
That depends on the need. You insist that processing power is what makes a game good, that is fine.
No. I don't. I insist that the extra processing power of a pc, along with it's versatility, are a better selling point. I hope this isn't where you start with the straw man arguments, because I don't have the patience to deal with that.
Not all games are available on all platforms, and games are still being released on wii, ps3, psp, and xbox360. Some of those are also available on PC.
I don't really ... what? What was the point of that? Are you trying to argue that I think games have stopped being developed for consoles?
If this is enough for you, that is fine. I'm cool with PC ports, but that doesn't mean that consoles are "stagnant technologies."
With the exception of the kinect input device, yes, consoles are, and have been for a while stagnant technologies. Unless you're going to count adding a few gb of hdd space a notable improvement.
Some will think a single 580 is not enough, some is fine with consoles.
Actually, the gtx 460 768mb delivers similar frame rates to the ps3/consoles at 1080p, but that happens in the most demanding games up to date, on the highest settings; If the 460 isn't enough for 1080p and dx11, then the castrated 2005-2006 gpus in the ps3/xbox sure as hell aren't enough for dx9 either. By the way, the people who think that the gtx 580 ill equiped for 1080 are:
irrelevant, they're an underwhelming minority
I'm sorry if that upsets you.
Shouldn't we utilize those so called "green technology" to its fullest potential?
Oh boy, here we go.
Trains in japan travels at 300 km/h. Elevator can go up 100s of floors in seconds. Solar powered planes are flying. Have you ditch all your "stagnant technologies" yet? or shall we destroy cars, trains, phanes that still runs on gas?
So you really are going to rely on straw men for the most part of your post.
I never said your console is worthless and should be thrown away. Once again, in the simplest terms, I'm arguing that, if given a choice between buying a gaming pc and buying a console/ console + htpc, the gaming pc is the best choice. If you already have a console then, obviously, you're going to keep it and use it. Seriously, when did this even become an issue?
Based on your theory, your PC, including the LCDs you used are already "stagnant technologies." That are BAD.
You're right, neither of us (yeah I get that you don't own a console, it's for the sake of argument [1]) can upgrade our machines. Oh ... mmm ... no, that's not how it goes. Let's see .... YOU can't upgrade your console (ever), while I can do that on my pc.Well I'll be damned.
What you just brought 3x5870 on water block? Sorry, you should really replace it with 6890. What? 6890 is not faster? Doesn't matter, it is newer.
1080p for gaming? You serious? Those are for your grandma to watch TVs or kids to throw wiimode at. If everyone is like you, then it will seriously slow down the gaming development.
Oh look, now it's the slippery slope argument. Meanwhile, the fact that I have superior graphics and performance for a bit more coin doesn't change one bit.(or for less coin if you're using a pc too). Now I'm going to sell my gpu for nearly as much as I bought it for and get a much faster one for not much more.
Those are jokes, but I will tell you a real story. One of my client brought several multi-core servers upon its release, but were several servers short. The IT guy realize that when the servers arrived, but were too late to buy more because it was already obsoleted. This is how fast technology can go.
All the more reason why your console is a bad deal.*
*See point #1
And that is the nail's head. PC is capable of doing everything, but are not specific enough to do anything good.
What.
For a serious FPS game setup, you will need a high precision laser mouse + a big mousepad.
I assume you mean first person shooter, not frames per second. Anyway,
What.
My regular mouse and mouse pad are just fine for fps'.
120" LCD with less than 2ms response time.
What. It's the resolution that contributes to image quality, not the size, and there's no perceivable difference between 2ms and 5-8ms, which doesn't matter anyway, because most lcd's come with 2 ms response time.
A keyboard with a LCD. A NIC with onboard CPU. A serious sound card alone with a 7.1 sound system just to help locating enemies.
You're trying to piss me off, aren't you?
The PC itself must be fully watered to remove noise. Gaming headset? Mandatory. Video card? Oh come on, skipping FPS cause death dude. They can see things that you thought it is imagenation.
Ah, now I see, this is an attempt at irony. Basically you're using the fact that average pc's aren't perfect as an excuse for the fact that consoles can't hold a candle to them. Did I get that right?
If you think this is imagenation, check out this youtube video. I seriously don't see what he sees, but I can understand why he have problems with games under 50 FPS.
Didnotwatch.jpg, but I'll take your word for it that 50 fps isn't enought for the person/persons in the video
If you are no where near insane as the people in the video, then I will ask why do you need a state of the art PC to play? In fact, what is wrong with a console again?
Yay, straw man number three. Well, if you weren't able to gather that all this time I have been advocating the exact opposite - that is, you can do just fine with a budget pc like, you know, the one that I spent 20 minutes to put together on newegg just so I could prove a point to you, which obviously happened to be a useless endeavor since I'm talking with the walls here; the $300 one - then I don't know what else to tell you.
In case you don't know and I have not mistaken, PSP is just another console. Technically, they are called handheld game consoles.
This is just another issue that I tried to be specific on, and of course, you missed that. I said that comparing a psp to a pc, ps3 or xbox 360 is redundant, since the difference between a psp and a pc too big, much bigger than the difference between pc and ps3/xbox and does not belong in the same boxing ring. Otherwise there's no clear distinction between what should be compared with the pc and what shouldn't; We'd end up adding the atari 2600 and the NES in the discussion.
Never have I said the psp isn't a console.
Maybe you don't see the irony behind what you said. If console is smart cars, and a computer is a freaking cargo truck. Say you have both, are you going to drive your cargo truck with its cargo bay to buy a drink and how unnecessary your smart is? People will think that you are Optimus Prime!
So ... portability? Is that what you're trying to hint at? That analogy doesn't work though, because mobility is the main feature of a vehicle, while the main feature of a pc/console is shoving stuff on the screen. Sure, you could argue that mobility is an important feature of the psp, but what about the ps3 and the xbox 360? Can you hold those in your pocket?
Now, maybe you don't see the irony behind your attempt at irony. While the console is just a car, goes vroom vroom and that's it, the pc is indeed optimus prime, because it's not just a car, it's many other things. You know, more than meets the eye?
Seriously, Optimus Prime is cool, and so is a super cutting edge PC. Using it for gaming is one of the excuse you use for the purchase, while usually it is an overkill to anything you will ever do with it.
Not my pc buddy, and especially not the one I assembled on newegg for your consideration. And even if it was, why would I not choose "overkill" over "underperformer" if the price tag is similar? Makes no sense.
Think about it, does watching youtube needs 2600k OC?Does posting here requires SLI/CF? Does facebooking requires multi display? The one game that those people will often play is call benchmarking. It is uber fun. You run it, you wait, and if you system doesn't die, then you win. Then you go around having the score tattooed on your avatar's head and so it off.
Aaaand strawman number 4. Ding ding ding we have a winner.
Ok, so, by now, you might have gathered that you're starting to annoy me and, while I can't stop you form posting again and wasting my time, I would ask you to read my post at least twice this time, and to try to use at least a bit of reading comprehension before replying. Thanks.
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