Mod Sponsored Community Poll - Your Input is Requested

[CanOWorms]

What's the moderator's stance on racial slurs such as the term "beloved patriot." "beloved patriot" is one of the most egregious racial slurs in the UK and other Commonwealth countries, but within the United States, it's not considered a slur. This term is used quite often by several posters from Commonwealth countries to attack minority posters.

I'm subjected to the term beloved patriot quite often, but I brush off insults. Overall, the forum is very hostile to minorities. I'll never forget the time when a poster did a minstrel speech attack on me, eventually deleting his post via moderator powers, but not before I viewed it.

 

[JEDIYoda]

What's the moderator's stance on racial slurs such as the term "beloved patriot." "beloved patriot" is one of the most egregious racial slurs in the UK and other Commonwealth countries, but within the United States, it's not considered a slur. This term is used quite often by several posters from Commonwealth countries to attack minority posters.

I'm subjected to the term beloved patriot quite often, but I brush off insults. Overall, the forum is very hostile to minorities. I'll never forget the time when a poster did a minstrel speech attack on me, eventually deleting his post via moderator powers, but not before I viewed it.

Not to be mean to you but after all this is the United States and it is impossible for these forums to be all things to all people.

Of course we know what it means but in other parts of the world it could and does have a different meaning.
For example in beloved patriot -- stan...etc....

 

[CanOWorms]

Not to be mean to you but after all this is the United States and it is impossible for these forums to be all things to all people.

That's why I'm asking. I'm wondering if it should be analyzed similar to what EagleKeeper brought up regarding "savage." Since the moderation and forum behavior is under review, and this appears to be a type of administrative comment period, I think that it seems like the place for it to be brought to attention.

Of course we know what it means but in other parts of the world it could and does have a different meaning.
For example in beloved patriot -- stan...etc....

I'm not sure if the moderation staff knows that it's one of the most offensive racial slurs in much of the world. I've noticed many other slurs for many ethnic groups flourish here.

 

[shortylickens]

I'm quite savage in Act of War.

 

[Infohawk]

This term is used quite often by several posters from Commonwealth countries to attack minority posters.

You might be taken more seriously if you weren't constantly trying to bait those Commonwealth posters with your own constant attacks on them as being peasants or referring to the British monarch as a whore all the time.

 

[CanOWorms]

You might be taken more seriously if you weren't constantly trying to bait those Commonwealth posters with your own constant attacks on them as being peasants or referring to the British monarch as a whore all the time.

It often occurs without any provocation. Moreover, I'm not trying to bait anyone. They merely disagree with my policies and viewpoints. I rarely call people peasants (if ever; isn't that RabidMongoose?), and I don't use racial or ethnic attacks. I will criticize a government or officials, but that is not an insult of immutable characteristics. Criticizing a governmental structure is a completely legitimate activity here. Are you suggesting that if someone criticizes a country for its policies, they should be the subject of a racist attack? Hopefully not.

However, this is about more than just me. As I said, I ignore it, and I've never reported anyone for a racist attack against me even though other posters have acted and reported the racist abuse. It's about other posters and the community. Why does P&N have such a low minority participation (IMO) compared to the forum overall? Isn't that odd? Is it because racial attacks thrive here? Other posters and potential posters view racist comments here. It affects them as well.

The "beloved patriot" situation seems to bring up many tough questions that may need to be resolved by the moderators if they're thinking about changing how things are run here. I am merely posing it to them. They can do as they wish. It is a difficult situation that spawns many tough questions.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I'm not sure if the moderation staff knows that it's one of the most offensive racial slurs in much of the world. I've noticed many other slurs for many ethnic groups flourish here.

They probably do!!
But the use of that word doesn`t fall under the same uses as the word SAVAGE morphed into -- here is what one of the mods said --

This was posted by Dr. Pizza -- This was due to the actions of a handful of posters. Initially, there were a couple posters who had in the past posted some rather hateful speech toward blacks - they had demonstrated incredible bigotry here. "Savages" became a code word for a small handful of posters. Subsequently, a handful of the trolls decided to bait moderators by digging up article after article with "savages" in the title - events that NEVER would have been discussed here, had it not been for that word in the title. Thus, part of the time the word was used, it was used in a very racist context. And another part of the time, it was used as a way to cause trouble here by others.

I seriously doubt that beloved patriot falls into this catagory.....in my high school the word - beloved patriot was used quite a bit and we did not find it offensive. In fact it seems to me that in America it is construed as way to describe somebody who on the outside might be say Polish but on the inside wants to be American so bad that they talk and behave and dress as if they are American.......

YES - I know the word can be taken IMO by people who have no think skin as being offensive. Just like calling somebody who is Italian a WOP or Dego.....

 

[RabidMongoose]

I would say that it depends on the intent and thus circumstances of the usage. 'beloved patriot' is not a big deal in the US, but it is a racial slur in other places, especially in some places where some posters are from who have used the slur at others. I've never heard of the Polish relation to 'beloved patriot.' So just like 'savages' was a code word for some people with severe racial issues here, it's possible that 'beloved patriot' and whatever other ethnic or racially insensitive words would be the same.

It just depends on how much moderation the site wants with regard to all of these racial issues. I feel like there is a lot of racial hatred here and a lot of it is veiled racial insults along the lines of 'savage' was a previous codeword. I'm not sure why P&N attracts so many people with racial problems.

 

[waggy]

They probably do!!
But the use of that word doesn`t fall under the same uses as the word SAVAGE morphed into -- here is what one of the mods said --


I seriously doubt that beloved patriot falls into this catagory.....in my high school the word - beloved patriot was used quite a bit and we did not find it offensive. In fact it seems to me that in America it is construed as way to describe somebody who on the outside might be say Polish but on the inside wants to be American so bad that they talk and behave and dress as if they are American.......

YES - I know the word can be taken IMO by people who have no think skin as being offensive. Just like calling somebody who is Italian a WOP or Dego.....

just because YOU do not find it offensive does not mean that it is not. it is actually a gripe of mine about the forum. Some forms of racist remarks are allowed. just because one group is not black does not make it ok.

wich again is why i don't think we as a society will ever get over the color of someones skin. To allow it to be racist against some but not others is not helping.

 

[cybrsage]

Savage can be used/interpreted multiple ways.

Here it is up to the poster and also their reader to determine the proper context.
Some posters chose to try to sneak the word savage in as a negative context. Anand felt that it should not be allowed use in the negative context and the Moderators followed through on that directive.

It is at the Moderator discretion as to how the word was being used; both within the post and also based on the poster (track records folks). Reference Sentence #2



The use of savage

• as related to war would seem perfectly acceptable.
• as related to some action/feeling would seem perfectly acceptable.
• as related to an animal species and their actions is perfectly acceptable
• to describe a person and/or group of people starts to become suspect.

Is what is being described is it their

• Actions
• Culture
• Attitudes

When it starts to target a person/groups race (directly/indirectly or linked) in what can be considered a negative context, then the line is being drawn here at AT. The negative context may be subjective; which goes back to the first two sentences.



EK
ex-Admin

I know you are an ex admin, but given that previous status (and that I was not here during the event), I take it to understand that if I said something was a savage attack because it was a visciously horrible attack, it would be OK to say it regardless of the race of the person who performed the attack?

Just asking for clarification, since I really do not understand why savage is a racist word, but obviously many do.

 

[JSt0rm]

fuuuuuuck this thread is stupid.

 

[Patranus]

just because YOU do not find it offensive does not mean that it is not. it is actually a gripe of mine about the forum. Some forms of racist remarks are allowed. just because one group is not black does not make it ok.

That is my entire point.
It is almost impossible to regulate a forum where everything is based on personal opinion.
It is impossible to discuss political issues an/or current events without offending someone.

 

[Patranus]

I know you are an ex admin, but given that previous status (and that I was not here during the event), I take it to understand that if I said something was a savage attack because it was a visciously horrible attack, it would be OK to say it regardless of the race of the person who performed the attack?

No, under the current rules that would not be OK.

If I were to post an article about teens who savagely beat an old man and used the term "savages beat old man" I would be banned in a second.

 

[waggy]

That is my entire point.
It is almost impossible to regulate a forum where everything is based on personal opinion.
It is impossible to discuss political issues an/or current events without offending someone.

I disagree on that. while it maybe hard ti discuss political events without offending or pissing someone off. that is a far cry form offending them via racist remarks.

hell even i know beloved patriot was a slur.

 

[Patranus]

I disagree on that. while it maybe hard ti discuss political events without offending or pissing someone off. that is a far cry form offending them via racist remarks.

hell even i know beloved patriot was a slur.

The problem is that even within certain groups there are different views as to what is/isn't racist/sexist/bigoted/ect.

 

[waggy]

The problem is that even within certain groups there are different views as to what is/isn't racist/sexist/bigoted/ect.

only if the person is really looking to be offended. If you are useing common sense you should be able to have a debate without useing racist or sexist remarks.

 

[Abwx]

So let us say you are correct.......
We agree that not all Muslims are terrorist.
We agree that some Muslims are terrorists -- again people skew the definition of terrorist to meet their needs.
We also agree possibly that there are those who by not speaking up against some of their Muslim brothers who are terrorist are in actuality condoning that very terrorism...
We probably also agree that there is a very small percentage that do in fact approve of said terrorists.
We should also agree that Europe has a huge problem with everyday Muslims who do not wish to obey the laws of the country they immigrated. In fact they want to be law abiding citizens...only they want to abide by Muslim laws.

You made an accusation that I called for violence against Muslims....you should retract that claim that my signature called for violence against Muslims.

I have never called for violence against Muslims or any other group.

Racism so deeply entrenched , and a lot of lies to justify your visceral hate.
Not calling to kill muslims ?..
You re calling for racism against them , and racism lead to murder..

I stand by this statement --Originally Posted by JEDIYoda
Your kidding right?
On the muslim comment--- This forum is spot on in how it percieves Muslims as a whole and as it percieves the Muslim Extremists!


Shalom!!

Yeah , spot on , with a supremacist racist mentality as guideline.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Racism so deeply entrenched , and a lot of lies to justify your visceral hate. ---- lies how so?[/B

Not calling to kill all Muslims ?........I have never called for all Muslims to be killed......but using your logic -- since I am outspoken about Muslims that could lead to hate and hate will escalate to..and on and on!

You re calling for racism against them , and racism lead to murder..Yeah , spot on , with a supremacist racist mentality as guideline.-- you are over the deep end....hell being born leads to death,,your logic is flawed!! So we should not speak our mind? We should not encourage others to be on guard? There would be no Jews or Nation of Israel had Israel laid down there ares and openly embraced all Muslims!! Bottom line is we must be vigilant and very cautious

really? I don`t think so!
I s it racist as a Jew with Israeli citizenship to not want to embrace Muslims and not hold there hand and sing Kumbaya??
Is it racist to speak my opinion and not love Muslims?
Just because I speak out truthfully against Muslims that does not mean that it will escalate to other more serious matters.
Only in your warped thinking does one thing lead to another.
There are many Jews who do not like Muslims, but I don`t see them murdering Muslims..
Just like there those who hate Jews and speak out against Jews and against the Israeli government. I don`t see people like LemonLaw taking matters into his own hands and killing Jews.

I have friends who are Muslim and I work with a few Muslims. I have no issues with those that I know.
with that said - look at Europe and see what problems they are having with the Muslim people who call Germany, France and Great Britain home. Issues from women wearing head coverings to calls from regular hard working productive Muslims to institute Muslim law for Muslims.

You can`t be that blind.....well I guess you can!!
Yet you say that I am calling and have called for racism against all Muslims.
Can you please show me exactly where I have called for racism against all Muslims or for the death of all Muslims??

You can`t all you can do is try take my posts and twist them to try to prove your racist points against me.
Please show me the error of my ways......

 

[shortylickens]

fuuuuuuck this thread is stupid.

The hell you say......

 

[cybrsage]

No, under the current rules that would not be OK.

If I were to post an article about teens who savagely beat an old man and used the term "savages beat old man" I would be banned in a second.

Well, since you changed what I said, sure, but we both know that is not what I asked.

 

[TalonStrike]

Users on this site get away with murder. I have reported this guy named "Capt Caveman" I don't know how many times, and the mods have not taken any action against him. This guy trolls me in every thread I comment in. It is ridiculous. The mods don't enforce the rules at all.

 

[Abwx]

really? I don`t think so!
I s it racist as a Jew with Israeli citizenship to not want to embrace Muslims and not hold there hand and sing Kumbaya??
Is it racist to speak my opinion and not love Muslims?
Just because I speak out truthfully against Muslims that does not mean that it will escalate to other more serious matters.

You can express your opinion but for sure you are not truthfull,
you are blatantly biaised.
To understand, read my next anser to your post

I have friends who are Muslim and I work with a few Muslims. I have no issuesd with those that I know.
But ewith that said - look at Europe and see what problems they are having with the Muslim people who call Germany, Frand and Great Britain home. Issues from women wearing head coverings to insituting Muslim law for Muslims.

You can`t be that blind.....
Yet you say that I am calling and have called for racism against all Muslims.
Can you please show me exactly where I have called for racism against all Muslims or for the death of all Muslims??

You can`t all you can do is try take my posts and twist them to try to prove your racist points against me.
Please show me the error of my ways......

I live in Europe and can tell you that the so called muslim problem
is purely artificial as it has been opportunistiicly created by
far right movements.

The mainstream politician , to stay on the course did borrow
some of the far right agendas and this has the effect of
somewhat giving an apparence of truth , while in fact that what was mainlythe unability of the indigenous people to compete for jobsand economical positions , so they created a mean to
discriminate the muslims and bar them from competing
in the economic field.

Since such a propaganda couldnt work in a country
like the US ,wich give more importance to competence and less
to ethnic or religious origins , the US people has not the capability
to understand what is really going on in Europe , wich is
aknowledged by your distorted perception ,
albeit the kind of Santorum did borrow the trick and
are trying to use the same tool in the US.

As for advocating killing , yes , you are advocating for it ,
not physical murder but murder through life destruction
using discrimination , denigration and so on.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Abwx --you sure like to sling that word racist around -- shes I went to another thread and here are your comments all of them having nothing to do with the thread topic --since you had nothing to contribute other than the race card, you look pretty silly entering this thread -- http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2222293&page=4

And what about the way the US treat young girls ???...
Yeah , it was to bring them freedom...

It easy to explain, you are simply a racist....

Despite massive use of slavery and genocide of the indians ,
surely that the US has not built her prosperity with so much
murders and humanity exploitation as the UK , although
they are on the "good" road to tie them...

Before branding the Talibans as savages remember that
the evil they did is so few compared to all the lootings
that your country did and is still waging theses days....

You re reacting emotionnaly...

Never the Talibans will make suffer as much women as
the UK did in all her colonial adventures.

The difference is that currently most if not all of the witnesses
are dead , but surely that your country did create much more sufferings
in a hundreds years timeline that almost any other western country
if we except France wich has also a sinister record on that matter..

Lol , insults as the sole answer...
Your racism just showed up , you just dont realize it...

Whoever do not agree with you must be insulted..??.

Whose the sucker , poor fool ?..

It s people like you that are useless in this world and will
not be missed..

Not at all but i have no consideration for supremacists
whatever their origin.

This one is just a simple mind that dont even catch his own sayings, though..

You throw around that word RACISM as if you are OJ Simpson`s attorney!
You actually do not know what it means.
If you did you would shut it and crawl back the corner.

definition --a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

If we go by the real definition you ABWX are being a racist!!
In fact we all know that there are differences in all people.
The Taliban are just real ban, mean dangerous people.
The Amish are good people who just want to be left alone to live life as they see fit!

Everyone can be considered racist in some sense......

But sad to say the peoples of the world will never gather and hold hands and sing Kumbaya or We Are the World!

 

[JEDIYoda]

I live in Europe and can tell you that the so called muslim problem
is purely artificial as it has been opportunistiicly created by
far right movements. -- I live in Europe 6 months out of the year and you are lying!!When I am in Europe I travel extensively in Germany and Poland and oftimes other places! Again you are lying!!

The mainstream politician , to stay on the course did borrow
some of the far right agendas and this has the effect of
somewhat giving an apparence of truth , while in fact that what was mainlythe unability of the indigenous people to compete for jobsand economical positions , so they created a mean to
discriminate the muslims and bar them from competing
in the economic field. ---- always making excuses for the truth -- I should have known!

Since such a propaganda couldnt work in a country
like the US ,wich give more importance to competence and less
to ethnic or religious origins , the US people has not the capability
to understand what is really going on in Europe , wich is
aknowledged by your distorted perception ,
albeit the kind of Santorum did borrow the trick....-- you are being racist in your assertion that the US people has not the capacity to understand what is really going on-- thanks for confirming what we already knew@!!

As for advocating killing , yes , you are advocating for it ,
not physical murder but murder through life destruction
using discrimination , denigration and so on.--- you have no links or posts stating what I an advocating. All you have are your misconstrued thoughts! You are a liar!!

You are a racist!!

He who cries RACISM the loudest is usually one@@!!

 

[JSt0rm]

this thread is like every p&n argument all in one place.