Mobile chips 2017: Qualcomm, Mediatek, Exynos and More

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SarahKerrigan

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Because is the same system with a different cpu emulator.

No it isn't. CHPE, etc, are totally new. The only real commonality is that they're both JIT layers using WOW64 for compatibility with 32-bit programs - which is also present on AMD64. Microsoft has never once mentioned IPF as the origin of the new translation layer.
 

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And sad news for Samsung...
https://www.gizmochina.com/2017/06/13/qualcomm-to-work-with-tsmc-on-7nm-mobile-chips/

Seems that Qualcomm moved again to TSMC... however considering that TSMC will face the typical supply issue due Apple... I guess Qualcomm will be left behind again....

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Meanwhile...

http://www.gsmarena.com/oppo_r11-review-1621p3.php

Official Snapdragon 660 benchmarks!

Geekbench 4:
Single Thread: 1596
Multi Thread: 5777

Antutu 6: 118677


Ok... seems that Snapdragon 820 was defeated CPU wise, but still has life GPU wise... also...
GPU levels of Snapdragon 660 is near on par of Adreno 430 found on the SD 810.
Not a bad score for SD660.

Hoping to see it in action soon.
 

dark zero

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And finally after some months later...

Here we go! Antutu benchmark of Mediatek Helio X30

antutu-benchmark-meizu-pro-7.jpg

Source: https://www.gizmochina.com/2017/07/27/helio-x30-powered-meizu-pro-7-benchmarked-antutu/

Not bad CPU score from a Dual A73 core. And finally they do caugh up on the GPU department.

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Meanwhile...
There is a leak about a new brand chip and a new information about another chip from Samsung!

Exynos 9610 - Revised


CPU:
- 4x Cortex-A73 @ 2.4 Ghz
- 4x Cortex-A53 @ ?.? Ghz
GPU:
Mali G71 - MP? @ ??? Mhz
- Process Manufacturing: 10 nm LPP Samsung

Exynos 7885
CPU:
- 2x Cortex-A73 @ 2.1 Ghz
- 4x Cortex-A53 @ ?.? Ghz (?)
GPU:
Mali G71 - MP? @ ??? Mhz
- Process Manufacturing: 14 nm LPP Samsung

Source: http://www.gsmarena.com/exynos_9610...ortexa73_cores_and_malig71_gpu-news-26421.php

Ok... I guess that the new chips have some weird configurations... the 9610 seems to be the chip for future Meizu chips since 8895 is way harder to obtain. So expect to see on the GPU it might have an MP8 from MP3 configuration at 1.1 Ghz.

And the Exynos 7885 is an hexacore which is targeted to the Galaxy A series.

https://www.gizmochina.com/2017/07/...7-2018s-specifications-gets-spotted-gfxbench/

Seems that targets the Snapdragon 660. So expect to see this chip with a Mali MP4 configuration and I bet that is around 900 Mhz on clock speed.

EDIT: The information of the 7885 was updated. Is an hexacore.
 
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dark zero

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And time didn't passed that much before Mediatek counters Qualcomm too.

Helio-P70-and-P40.jpg


Source: https://www.gizmochina.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Helio-P70-and-P40.jpg

Seems that The X top chip will be the Helio X30...And finally the Helio P series starts to have more than 2 cores. The Helio P70 seems to be very balanced.

However seems that Mediatek is NOT using the A75 and A55 chips... they might end staying behind...

The advantage of Qualcomm is starting to show up...
 

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I'm looking forward to some mid-tier phones with the 640 and 670 in them. The 617 was a nice processor in the ZTE ZMAX Pro for under $100 carrier subsidized. The ZTE Blade ZMAX is a slight step back in performance, but still solid. I wonder it they'll jump on the 640 bandwagon for the next iteration in that space.
 

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I'm looking forward to some mid-tier phones with the 640 and 670 in them. The 617 was a nice processor in the ZTE ZMAX Pro for under $100 carrier subsidized. The ZTE Blade ZMAX is a slight step back in performance, but still solid. I wonder it they'll jump on the 640 bandwagon for the next iteration in that space.
Most manufacturers "this" year ( 2018 ) will be using the 630/636/660. Unless Qualcomm announces the rumoured 640/670 very early "this" year but unlikely.
 

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I'm looking forward to some mid-tier phones with the 640 and 670 in them. The 617 was a nice processor in the ZTE ZMAX Pro for under $100 carrier subsidized. The ZTE Blade ZMAX is a slight step back in performance, but still solid. I wonder it they'll jump on the 640 bandwagon for the next iteration in that space.

Save yourself a headache and time investment; throw any ZTE phone straight into the nearest dumbster.
 

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because quality with early and mid run ZTE phones is a real cr@p-shoot. It is typical for ZTE phones to fail for all sorts of odd reasons during the first few quarters of their production. They do TEND to get better as the run continues, which is why the three ZTE ZMAX Pro phones that I bought for my kids and my wife were all manufactured at least 9 months after they started making them, and, as a result, haven't given us any problems at all. They are well speced and very attractively priced for the market that they play in.

You have to have reasonable expectations for ZTE (and other low-mid market) phones. They won't ever get a major Android version upgrade, and you're lucky to get more than a year or so worth of security updates. There won't be a whole lot of technical support for them. They will be heavily bootloader locked, so you likely won't be able to run homebrew android on them. But, if you're looking for a cheap phone with better performance or specs than you'd otherwise see at that price, and don't mind the possibility that you'll have to replace them in under 24 months, then they are a solid choice.

Personally, I have a Moto E4+ that I got as a free promo phone for signing up with my carrier. It does most everything that I need it to do for now. I'm saving my pennies to get an unlocked mid-grade phone sometime next year.
 

dark zero

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because quality with early and mid run ZTE phones is a real cr@p-shoot. It is typical for ZTE phones to fail for all sorts of odd reasons during the first few quarters of their production. They do TEND to get better as the run continues, which is why the three ZTE ZMAX Pro phones that I bought for my kids and my wife were all manufactured at least 9 months after they started making them, and, as a result, haven't given us any problems at all. They are well speced and very attractively priced for the market that they play in.

You have to have reasonable expectations for ZTE (and other low-mid market) phones. They won't ever get a major Android version upgrade, and you're lucky to get more than a year or so worth of security updates. There won't be a whole lot of technical support for them. They will be heavily bootloader locked, so you likely won't be able to run homebrew android on them. But, if you're looking for a cheap phone with better performance or specs than you'd otherwise see at that price, and don't mind the possibility that you'll have to replace them in under 24 months, then they are a solid choice.

Personally, I have a Moto E4+ that I got as a free promo phone for signing up with my carrier. It does most everything that I need it to do for now. I'm saving my pennies to get an unlocked mid-grade phone sometime next year.
Actually is not only ZTE.. is turning that all the brands, except Apple, starts with a wide amount of issues on it.

And I won't buy anything from Mediatek or Spreadtrum since it has that problem of the drivers.
 

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That is plain stupid from the US government side... the next targets will be Lenovo and Samsung and everything in order to make Apple totally relevant.

I don't know about ZTE other than their OS is awful, but Huawei is a partner with Chinese military intelligence. They've also been caught straight up stealing Cisco source code and re-deloying it verbatim to their own branded routers, which were clones of Cisco gear. They actively engage in corporate espionage. I would never own anything Huawei if it were top of the line and free.

https://www.networkworld.com/articl...torpedoes-huawei-in-less-than-15-minutes.html
 
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The deal with ZTE is that you NEVER buy one of their products in the first 6 months to a year after they are released. They do the absolute minimum platform validation and count on customers buying them at their low price points and not caring about the problems. Once they discover from their customers what's failing and costing them money to replace, they do a mid-cycle revision and fix their biggest problems, which is usually out to customers in about a half a year after release at the earliest. The other thing to have in mind with ZTE is that, whatever OS release is on their phone at RTM, that's what it's going to have for life, save for a few minor security and stability updates here and there. You buy a ZTE phone with the idea that it's going to last you about a year or so, that it's decent specs for the money you're paying, and that you're going to replace it with something better a year or so later.

A case in point: The ZTE Blade ZMAX Pro. At release, it had a VERY high return rate. T-Mobile and MetroPCS were having to replace them by the truck load. I have two friends that work for cell phone stores and both told me that after about 6 months, returns on those phones dropped dramatically. I went ahead and bought three of them for my kids, outfitted them with chunky cases, and they've all been doing just fine with them for most of a year now. None of them are showing the problems that early phones had, no strange crashes, no bad screens, no strange behavior. Just solid service. The only one to give any problems had a stuck volume button from having it out of the case, which was easily fixable. Those are solid mid-range phones for under $100 each after the carrier subsidy, and under $170 without.

Just know what you're getting when you buy them, and don't expect it to be a flagship device.
 

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The deal with ZTE is that you NEVER buy one of their products in the first 6 months to a year after they are released. They do the absolute minimum platform validation and count on customers buying them at their low price points and not caring about the problems. Once they discover from their customers what's failing and costing them money to replace, they do a mid-cycle revision and fix their biggest problems, which is usually out to customers in about a half a year after release at the earliest. The other thing to have in mind with ZTE is that, whatever OS release is on their phone at RTM, that's what it's going to have for life, save for a few minor security and stability updates here and there. You buy a ZTE phone with the idea that it's going to last you about a year or so, that it's decent specs for the money you're paying, and that you're going to replace it with something better a year or so later.

A case in point: The ZTE Blade ZMAX Pro. At release, it had a VERY high return rate. T-Mobile and MetroPCS were having to replace them by the truck load. I have two friends that work for cell phone stores and both told me that after about 6 months, returns on those phones dropped dramatically. I went ahead and bought three of them for my kids, outfitted them with chunky cases, and they've all been doing just fine with them for most of a year now. None of them are showing the problems that early phones had, no strange crashes, no bad screens, no strange behavior. Just solid service. The only one to give any problems had a stuck volume button from having it out of the case, which was easily fixable. Those are solid mid-range phones for under $100 each after the carrier subsidy, and under $170 without.

Just know what you're getting when you buy them, and don't expect it to be a flagship device.
Seems that people picks a low tier Android phone thinking that is cheap and safe, but not always is the case, even Samsung and Motorola screw up big time the consumers on the early products and before the iPhone 2017 line, the latter were FAR better and stable than the competition.

At the end, the cheap Android phones are the reason why US people picks Apple.
 

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That is plain stupid from the US government side... the next targets will be Lenovo and Samsung and everything in order to make Apple totally relevant.

Apparently when these androde telephones come bundled with Chinese spyware the NSA prefers not to touch them anymore (at least directly and with their latest tools) just to play it careful:

"Territorial Dispute" toolbox

https://www.wired.com/story/nsa-leak-reveals-agency-list-enemy-hackers/

tldnr version:
https://wccftech.com/nsa-pulls-target-pcs/

https://wccftech.com/zte-responds-t...plicable-laws-and-regulations-in-the-country/
 

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Apparently when these androde telephones come bundled with Chinese spyware the NSA prefers not to touch them anymore (at least directly and with their latest tools) just to play it careful:

"Territorial Dispute" toolbox

https://www.wired.com/story/nsa-leak-reveals-agency-list-enemy-hackers/

tldnr version:
https://wccftech.com/nsa-pulls-target-pcs/

https://wccftech.com/zte-responds-t...plicable-laws-and-regulations-in-the-country/
That's why I went to Lineage OS. No NSA or Chinese crap inside.
Go for the iPhone. For you is the only Chinese crap free phone.
 
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Just a quick statement as regards to owning "budget" Chinese branded phones.

Late last year I bought a 6.4" xiaomi mi max 2...complete with dual SIM/sd card slot, 4gb ram, 64gb ROM, Snapdragon 620 (that runs software smoother than my previous s810 nexus 6p), bright 1080p display, gold metal unibody with grade A build quality, decent stereo speakers...and a mammoth 5300 mah battery...(.13 hours screen on time on heavy usage...phone is not heavy either or thick..8mm)..cost me £175 delivered in UK!.
Honestly, not just the best value phone i ever had, but the best phone period.
Xiaomi for me from now on.
 

dark zero

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Just a quick statement as regards to owning "budget" Chinese branded phones.

Late last year I bought a 6.4" xiaomi mi max 2...complete with dual SIM/sd card slot, 4gb ram, 64gb ROM, Snapdragon 620 (that runs software smoother than my previous s810 nexus 6p), bright 1080p display, gold metal unibody with grade A build quality, decent stereo speakers...and a mammoth 5300 mah battery...(.13 hours screen on time on heavy usage...phone is not heavy either or thick..8mm)..cost me £175 delivered in UK!.
Honestly, not just the best value phone i ever had, but the best phone period.
Xiaomi for me from now on.
I had Xiaomis and it is pretty much fragile. However in the rest of the aspects is awesome.
Still, I went to Leeco, but with the variant to install Lineage OS to free the crapware it have... still I lost the Dolby Atmos SW, but is a little tradeoff to get update security patches.
And having a Snapdragon 820 and 821 phones I don't have the will to move to Xiaomi for at least 1 year more if not 2.
 
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I had Xiaomis and it is pretty much fragile. However in the rest of the aspects is awesome.
Still, I went to Leeco, but with the variant to install Lineage OS to free the crapware it have... still I lost the Dolby Atmos SW, but is a little tradeoff to get update security patches.
And having a Snapdragon 820 and 821 phones I don't have the will to move to Xiaomi for at least 1 year more if not 2.
Mi max 3 is out this year with A73 cores.
Mi 7/8 also pretty cheap with top specs.
Security patches seem to be up to date so far.
 

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Time to revive the thread:

Mediatek Helio P60 and Helio P22 are out!

Helio P60:
CPU: 4 X A73 and 4 X A53 at 2.0 Ghz (all of them)
GPU: ARM Mali G72 MP3 @ 800MHz
Process: 12nm
Source: http://i.mediatek.com/p60

Helio P20:
CPU: 8 X A53 at 2.0 Ghz (all of them)
GPU: IMG PowerVR GE8320 @ 650MHz
Process: 12nm
Source: https://www.gizmochina.com/2018/05/...helio-p22-chipset-for-affordable-smartphones/
https://www.mediatek.com/products/smartphones/mediatek-helio-p22

In resume: Helio P60 is the counterpart of the Snapdragon 636 and the Helio P22 is Helio X10 with better GPU and process. Wondering if it has the performance of Snapdragon 450 or 625