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Mob beats 2 ex-marines who were rescuing girl.

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http://www.nypost.com/seven/08...ines_rescui_123919.htm

A wolf pack of at least 30 thugs viciously attacked two hero ex-Marines in Brooklyn after they rescued a teenage girl who was being assaulted, police and witnesses said yesterday.

And when the brother of one of the former servicemen tried to come to his rescue during the July 25 melee in Coney Island, he was beaten into a coma.

The former leathernecks, Valentyn Olenyev, 23, and Boris Bukler, 22, Russian émigrés who served tours in Iraq, were walking a female friend to her parked car on West 23rd Street at 12:30 a.m. when they spotted two men holding the screaming teen by her hands and legs.

"She was yelling, 'Help!' " said Olenyev. "I asked her, 'Do you need help?' She said, 'Yes!"

"It wasn't our intention to get into a fight," said Bukler. "We said, 'Let the girl go, and we'll leave.' We told them, 'Stop.'

"She was screaming, and all we did was look to help her. I got a bottle smashed over my head, and after that, I started fighting. But I got beat down.

"I was getting my ass kicked by 50 people."

Their friend called Olenyev's brother, Ivan, 22.

"When I showed up, there were a lot of people there, people on the left and people on the right, and then - 'Boom!' - I got hit and passed out," Ivan told The Post from his hospital bed.

Police sources said he was pounded senseless by 240-pound Timothy Dixon, 23, who was swinging a metal baseball bat.

Ivan suffered multiple facial fractures and will require plastic surgery.

The NYPD is looking for Dixon, who remains at large.

The teenage girl fled after the melee.

The two former Marines, meanwhile, insist that the violence had racial overtones, although the assault has not been labeled a bias crime.

Bukler said, "Those in the crowd were yelling, 'Hey, white boys, you're in the 'hood now!' We were yelling back, 'We don't care - we live here!'
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Seriously though that is really messed up. Bad neighborhoods and gang violence are the worst.

I hate to see double standards these days. I can't help but think if the races were reversed that it would be labeled a hate crime and protests and rallies would be carried out for weeks.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Sucks, but good for them for stepping into a situation 99% of people wouldn't have dreamed of touching.
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Thats a marine for ya. The mob was lucky they didn't have just a few more of their buddies with them.
 
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Sucks, but good for them for stepping into a situation 99% of people wouldn't have dreamed of touching.
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Thats a marine for ya. The mob was lucky they didn't have just a few more of their buddies with them.
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Not much they can do without their weapon. Marines may be trained killers but they aren't supermen. Jumping into a gang of 30 isn't the smartest thing to do. It's better to let the cops handle those thugs.
 
Originally posted by: Dari
Not much they can do without their weapon. Marines may be trained killers but they aren't supermen. Jumping into a gang of 30 isn't the smartest thing to do. It's better to let the cops handle those thugs.
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I sure as hell wouldn't be willing to enter unarmed combat with a Marine.

And how long would it have taken for the police to show up? Is it really better to just sit there and do nothing and then, when the police show up 20 minutes later and the mob has moved on, give a witness report and help identify the girl's body? Just let the girl get assaulted, potentially raped? You've got to be kidding.

ZV
 
Sure it would've been easier to walk away, but no one said doing the right thing was going to be easy.

It took great courage to do what they did and defend those who are in need even when facing superior numbers. I guess they were hoping that some more people in the crowd actually had learned some morales growing up.

Either way, I think they did the right thing.

To the OP, just a small thing, but there are no ex-Marines/former Marines. Once a Marine, always a Marine.
 
This is gonna become Street thugs vs. Russian mob ... ye, I wouldn't put money on the thugs

(I live in Brooklyn)
 
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Dari
Not much they can do without their weapon. Marines may be trained killers but they aren't supermen. Jumping into a gang of 30 isn't the smartest thing to do. It's better to let the cops handle those thugs.
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I sure as hell wouldn't be willing to enter unarmed combat with a Marine.

And how long would it have taken for the police to show up? Is it really better to just sit there and do nothing and then, when the police show up 20 minutes later and the mob has moved on, give a witness report and help identify the girl's body? Just let the girl get assaulted, potentially raped? You've got to be kidding.

ZV
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There are countless ways to handle that situation. Diversion, aggression, talking, calling from a distance, ...etc. I don't know the best way but simply walking into the crowd wasn't the smartest thing.

And I doubt that unarmed combat with a marine is a death sentence, as you imply. The vast majority of the time they are trained with their weapon. No weapon means an exposed marine.
 
Good thing gun control is alive and well in that city. Can't have some marines concealing weapons, now can we?
 
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Dari
Not much they can do without their weapon. Marines may be trained killers but they aren't supermen. Jumping into a gang of 30 isn't the smartest thing to do. It's better to let the cops handle those thugs.
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I sure as hell wouldn't be willing to enter unarmed combat with a Marine.

And how long would it have taken for the police to show up? Is it really better to just sit there and do nothing and then, when the police show up 20 minutes later and the mob has moved on, give a witness report and help identify the girl's body? Just let the girl get assaulted, potentially raped? You've got to be kidding.

ZV
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There are countless ways to handle that situation. Diversion, aggression, talking, calling from a distance, ...etc. I don't know the best way but simply walking into the crowd wasn't the smartest thing.

And I doubt that unarmed combat with a marine is a death sentence, as you imply. The vast majority of the time they are trained with their weapon. No weapon means an exposed marine.
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As far as them not being smart by walking into the crowd:
Muscle Are Required Intelligence Not Essential
Besides, sometimes it's a matter of personal integrity. Let a mob beat and possbily kill a defenseless person or try to help and have a clear conscious, but in todays day and age of ME FIRST it's good to see people sticking up for a stranger.

 
Originally posted by: Colt45


The NYPD is looking for Dixon, who remains at large.
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I'm sure some Russians will find him first. 😀
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No doubt,
you don't fuck with russians/ukrainians in that hood; anyone that's been to Coney island/Brighton beach can attest to that. Especially if that girl was slavic... they don't hold black people in high regard.
 
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Dari
Not much they can do without their weapon. Marines may be trained killers but they aren't supermen. Jumping into a gang of 30 isn't the smartest thing to do. It's better to let the cops handle those thugs.
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I sure as hell wouldn't be willing to enter unarmed combat with a Marine.

And how long would it have taken for the police to show up? Is it really better to just sit there and do nothing and then, when the police show up 20 minutes later and the mob has moved on, give a witness report and help identify the girl's body? Just let the girl get assaulted, potentially raped? You've got to be kidding.

ZV
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There are countless ways to handle that situation. Diversion, aggression, talking, calling from a distance, ...etc. I don't know the best way but simply walking into the crowd wasn't the smartest thing.

And I doubt that unarmed combat with a marine is a death sentence, as you imply. The vast majority of the time they are trained with their weapon. No weapon means an exposed marine.
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I certainly don't imply that it's a death sentence; I merely imply that you won't catch me volunteering for it. Certainly a weapon helps, but the simple fact is that, compared to the majority of the civilian population, members of any of the armed forces are better trained at hand-to-hand combat.

As far as other methods of handling the situation you've mentioned:

Do you honestly think that talking to the mob would have defused the situation? This isn't Kindergarten. Everyone is not a rational human being and it's ludicrous to assume that one can reason with a mob.

How do you divert the mob? Throw them a different young girl to rape instead? Point and yell, "OMG! GODZILLA!" and hope they fall for it? This isn't the movies. You're not going to have any success diverting the attention of 30 to 50 men who are intent on assaulting a young girl.

Aggression? Like walking in to the mob to rescue the girl? Seems like the two Marines chose this method.

Calling from a distance? How is this any different from trying to reason with the mob? There's no chance at all of this working.

From a personal preservation standpoint, yes, what the two Marines did was very stupid. However, in terms of honor, they are unimpeachable. We need more people like them in this world today.

ZV
 
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Dari
Not much they can do without their weapon. Marines may be trained killers but they aren't supermen. Jumping into a gang of 30 isn't the smartest thing to do. It's better to let the cops handle those thugs.
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I sure as hell wouldn't be willing to enter unarmed combat with a Marine.

And how long would it have taken for the police to show up? Is it really better to just sit there and do nothing and then, when the police show up 20 minutes later and the mob has moved on, give a witness report and help identify the girl's body? Just let the girl get assaulted, potentially raped? You've got to be kidding.

ZV
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There are countless ways to handle that situation. Diversion, aggression, talking, calling from a distance, ...etc. I don't know the best way but simply walking into the crowd wasn't the smartest thing.

And I doubt that unarmed combat with a marine is a death sentence, as you imply. The vast majority of the time they are trained with their weapon. No weapon means an exposed marine.
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I certainly don't imply that it's a death sentence; I merely imply that you won't catch me volunteering for it. Certainly a weapon helps, but the simple fact is that, compared to the majority of the civilian population, members of any of the armed forces are better trained at hand-to-hand combat.

As far as other methods of handling the situation you've mentioned:

Do you honestly think that talking to the mob would have defused the situation? This isn't Kindergarten. Everyone is not a rational human being and it's ludicrous to assume that one can reason with a mob.

How do you divert the mob? Throw them a different young girl to rape instead? Point and yell, "OMG! GODZILLA!" and hope they fall for it? This isn't the movies. You're not going to have any success diverting the attention of 30 to 50 men who are intent on assaulting a young girl.

Aggression? Like walking in to the mob to rescue the girl? Seems like the two Marines chose this method.

Calling from a distance? How is this any different from trying to reason with the mob? There's no chance at all of this working.

From a personal preservation standpoint, yes, what the two Marines did was very stupid. However, in terms of honor, they are unimpeachable. We need more people like them in this world today.

ZV
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You know what I would've done? Use my fucking cellphone to call police while approaching the mob. I mean, they just didn't see the mob and wondered what was going on, they knew something bad was up. Why not call the cops on your way there? In NYC, the cops come in a matter of minutes.
 
Originally posted by: Dari
You know what I would've done? Use my fucking cellphone to call police while approaching the mob. I mean, they just didn't see the mob and wondered what was going on, they knew something bad was up. Why not call the cops on your way there? In NYC, the cops come in a matter of minutes.
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If you'd phrased it that way in the beginning, I'd have been 100% with you. Sorry for misunderstanding your point. :beer:

ZV
 
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Dari
You know what I would've done? Use my fucking cellphone to call police while approaching the mob. I mean, they just didn't see the mob and wondered what was going on, they knew something bad was up. Why not call the cops on your way there? In NYC, the cops come in a matter of minutes.
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If you'd phrased it that way in the beginning, I'd have been 100% with you. Sorry for misunderstanding your point. :beer:

ZV
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You are right. I talk until my point comes into focus. BTW, I really hope people think before they act. Heroism is great and all but you have to be pragmatic. What's going to happen to your family if something happens to you? Who's going to pay the bills? Who's going to raise your son/daughter? Who's going to take care of your wife? What about your job?

Sometimes being selfless can be selfish. If you have a family you have to put them first. It's not good to be rash.
 
I've never much liked marines. Most marines I've met have proven to me within a matter of minutes that they're total assholes. As a result I've started to have a general dislike for marines..... Nice to see a couple of guys put some doubts about my way of thinking back into my mind. I do hate when people pay a price for doing the right thing.
 
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Dari
You know what I would've done? Use my fucking cellphone to call police while approaching the mob. I mean, they just didn't see the mob and wondered what was going on, they knew something bad was up. Why not call the cops on your way there? In NYC, the cops come in a matter of minutes.
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If you'd phrased it that way in the beginning, I'd have been 100% with you. Sorry for misunderstanding your point. :beer:

ZV
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You are right. I talk until my point comes into focus. BTW, I really hope people think before they act. Heroism is great and all but you have to be pragmatic. What's going to happen to your family if something happens to you? Who's going to pay the bills? Who's going to raise your son/daughter? Who's going to take care of your wife? What about your job?

Sometimes being selfless can be selfish. If you have a family you have to put them first. It's not good to be rash.
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Some very interesting questions, but this is no different than what anyone serving their country does everyday. They put everything before themselves.

While self preservation might be the first thing to go through 90% of people's minds in situations like these, there are those who think of others before themselves. If it wasn't for people like them, where would our country be?

And FYI I am a Marine. I can't say I would definitely do what they did, but I would like to think that I would, but it's a totally different story when you're there going through it.

I would've called the Cops first and then gone in to help.
 
Originally posted by: deathstorm78
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Dari
You know what I would've done? Use my fucking cellphone to call police while approaching the mob. I mean, they just didn't see the mob and wondered what was going on, they knew something bad was up. Why not call the cops on your way there? In NYC, the cops come in a matter of minutes.
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If you'd phrased it that way in the beginning, I'd have been 100% with you. Sorry for misunderstanding your point. :beer:

ZV
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You are right. I talk until my point comes into focus. BTW, I really hope people think before they act. Heroism is great and all but you have to be pragmatic. What's going to happen to your family if something happens to you? Who's going to pay the bills? Who's going to raise your son/daughter? Who's going to take care of your wife? What about your job?

Sometimes being selfless can be selfish. If you have a family you have to put them first. It's not good to be rash.
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Some very interesting questions, but this is no different than what anyone serving their country does everyday. They put everything before themselves.

While self preservation might be the first thing to go through 90% of people's minds in situations like these, there are those who think of others before themselves. If it wasn't for people like them, where would our country be?

And FYI I am a Marine. I can't say I would definitely do what they did, but I would like to think that I would, but it's a totally different story when you're there going through it.

I would've called the Cops first and then gone in to help.
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I think soldiers, cops, firefighters, and others accept death is a risk in their job. But the guy about to face a savage mob that doesn't care about human life would be better served by thinking this through thoroughly. I hate to hear about heroes who are crippled for life. Long after the media love affair and sympathies are gone, you still have to pay the bills and no insurance will cover you.
 
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