News Mnuchin Rejects Subpoena -- Will he face consequences?

[SMOGZINN]

I understand exactly how it works, and those things are generally investigated by the FBI.

Not when it is the President, then it is Congress that investigates.
They might make use of the FBI for their expertise and resources, but make no mistake it is Congress that is doing the investigating.

 

[DarthKyrie]

Because, unlike any other President in the last 45 years Trump did not disclose his tax returns willingly. This law was created because of what happened 98 years ago in the Teapot scandal and was created for exactly this sort of situation. this is literally what the law was created for.

And BTW this law is not all that obscure, Republicans used it just a few years ago to get the tax returns while investigating if the IRS was discriminating against conservative organizations. It was not controversial then, why is it now?


And they don't need to. Legislative purpose does not mean 'to make a law' it means 'a valid purpose of the legislature' and oversight of the President is a valid purpose of the legislature. This was decided by the SCOTUS already.



There is literally no legal argument to believe that. SCOTUS came up with the term legislative purpose in a similar case, and decided that Congress can do this. This has already be adjudicated, there is precedence.

And BTW, we can expect to find direct illegal activity on Tax Returns. That is what happened to Nixon, causing him to utter the now infamous words 'I am not a crook'.

You see when the GOP was investigating the IRS on behalf of conservative organizations it was legal because conservative organizations should always be allowed to have non-profits that aren't really non-profit because of Hillary's emails and Obama's tan suit and dijon mustard.

 

[fskimospy]

Not when it is the President, then it is Congress that investigates.
They might make use of the FBI for their expertise and resources, but make no mistake it is Congress that is doing the investigating.

Even when it isn't the president Congress has investigative powers totally separate from any executive branch agency. Nothing the executive does or does not do can encroach on Congress' power to investigate.

Congress might find it easier and more expedient to let the FBI do the investigating most of the time (and of course it is), but that's only because Congress doesn't feel like investigating something. They could at any time pick up anything the FBI was investigating and look into it themselves. Literally anything. Same goes for the IRS or any other enforcement agency as fundamentally the FBI, IRS, etc. act to enforce the laws that Congress writes. Congress has just as much interest in knowing if their laws are being followed as any executive agency.

 

[thilanliyan]

1) The president can't be indicted by executive branch agencies- it's up to Congress to impeach him.
2) Congress cannot investigate if the president has committed crimes, that's up to executive branch agencies.

You can't have it both ways. Either law enforcement has to be entirely separate from the president and able to indict him or Congress has any and all powers it needs to investigate the president for conduct worthy of impeachment. You have to pick one.

That's where you're wrong...it IS possible to have it both ways...MAGA hats transport you to the 11th dimension to allow for such things.

 

[jackstar7]

I diagnosed the brain worms a while ago.

Clearly no treatment has been administered.