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MNF: Eagles vs. Vikings.
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Deeko
Lifer
The key to stopping them is your front 7. Contain westbrook and the TE's. Don't give McNabb all day to throw. You don't have to sack him, just hurry him.
How is this effective? Well, double up on T.O. with your top CB and a safety. Pinkston is a small enough threat that he can be single covered. Use the other safety can be used to your defense's strengths, either back in zone, up in coverage, blitzing, whatever. You don't need an all-star secondary. Just a solid front seven....I think a defense like Carolina's, or hell even Dallas', will be capable of containing their offense.
How is this effective? Well, double up on T.O. with your top CB and a safety. Pinkston is a small enough threat that he can be single covered. Use the other safety can be used to your defense's strengths, either back in zone, up in coverage, blitzing, whatever. You don't need an all-star secondary. Just a solid front seven....I think a defense like Carolina's, or hell even Dallas', will be capable of containing their offense.
ThePresence
Elite Member
Correct. I'm just saying the way I see it. It's just my opinion.
SP33Demon
Lifer
Ah, Sea Isle, fond memories of Corona and sleeping bags on the beach at night... do they still let people on the beach at night? I know OC patrols for people which sucks.
Most Iggles' fans that I know are intelligent and actually have resided somewhere in or near their hometown team, whereas most Dallas fans I know in the NE are residual leeches left over from Jimmy Johnson bandwagon years; they couldn't even tell you what state "Dallas" is a part of, let alone been to the stadium. But that's just from my personal experiences 😉
The most impressive thing about Philly this game was most definitely their secondary, for the most part they rarely had to double Moss and covered him man. So much for your Moss>TO argument. Also, you might want to check the stats on a certain penalty in the red zone for offensive interference, and how many times Moss caught passes across the middle vs TO. Then tell me who played better, it's not a secret.
It doesn't matter if YOU think TO's TD was a TD or not, it's an official TD that wasn't challenged. So apparently Tice thought it was good enough, as well as the refs. TO with another clutch, gamebreaking reception, did anyone expect less? Too bad we can't say the same about Chokepepper and (Dead) Hoss.
You credit Philly winning to Minnesota's penalties and incompetence. The problem was that they HAD to hold because the Philly defenders were too fast for them. They HAD to push off in the end zone because of how good Philly's secondary was sticking them. They HAD to throw incompletions in the red zone because their QB was sacked 4 times and hurried another 8 times. I'm sure you get the point.
And last but not least, you say: "the AFC is so dominant this year, it doesn't even matter who goes to the big game from the NFC, I can't see any of them beating the Colts or the Patriots."
Translation: "I know Philly will win the NFC for the 4th straight time, and I hope good teams such as Indy and the Pats can beat them because it pisses me off that Philly always has to win the division over my Cowgirls."
Deeko
Lifer
None of us tried to sleep out there...but we were definitely out there(wasted) at like 3 or 4am. I'm sure it helps that being off-season, we were almost the only people on the island.
Well, I'm the exception then. How many of those Dallas fans have disappeared after the 3 5-11 seasons? I haven't. My brother was that kind of a fan...used to like Philly teams, but then also liked the Bulls and the 49ers. Nowadays....he's dropped the former-winners. Not me, regardless of where I'm from, I'm as loyal a fan as they come.
Moss didn't play that great a game, no. However, TO didn't really either, and he was playing against a worse secondary(its the strength of Minnesota's defense, which is sad, because its only mediocore). I still stand by my statement that Moss is a better receiver, and I won't waver from that. Yes, the Eagles secondary did play well, however, I wasn't a big fan of Minnesota's playcalling. The Eagles secondary was playing soft, giving them big cushions, and rather than exploit that with short passes(which was successful when they did it), they still kept trying to go deep.
Ummm....sounds like you're copping out on the TD reception arguement. Watch the replay. There is no way in hell that was a TD. The ref screwed up, Tice screwed up. End of story.
You can't in sound mind call that a dominant victory for the Eagles. You just can't. Change the outcome of maybe 3 plays, and you've got a victory for the Vikings. I'm not saying the Eagles don't deserve the win, they played well and they earned it. However, that game could have VERY easily gone the other way, and you can't deny it unless you are an absolute moron.
As for your little translation....no, you're wrong again. First off....Philly hasn't won the NFC in over 20 years, have you forgotten that? And you throw out "always"....umm....I'd like you to take a trip to Texas Stadium and take a look at the trophy case, see those 5 pretty things that are absent at the Linc? I still don't think the Eagles will win the conferance. Sure they have a chance, but in my mind the Vikings are still a better team, and the Seahawks are as well. Hell, the way Washington's D has been playing, if they don't turn the ball over 7 times, I could see them beating the Eagles, and if they stop with all the stupid errors, I could see Dallas doing it to. Week 10 my friend.
Well, I'm the exception then. How many of those Dallas fans have disappeared after the 3 5-11 seasons? I haven't. My brother was that kind of a fan...used to like Philly teams, but then also liked the Bulls and the 49ers. Nowadays....he's dropped the former-winners. Not me, regardless of where I'm from, I'm as loyal a fan as they come.
Moss didn't play that great a game, no. However, TO didn't really either, and he was playing against a worse secondary(its the strength of Minnesota's defense, which is sad, because its only mediocore). I still stand by my statement that Moss is a better receiver, and I won't waver from that. Yes, the Eagles secondary did play well, however, I wasn't a big fan of Minnesota's playcalling. The Eagles secondary was playing soft, giving them big cushions, and rather than exploit that with short passes(which was successful when they did it), they still kept trying to go deep.
Ummm....sounds like you're copping out on the TD reception arguement. Watch the replay. There is no way in hell that was a TD. The ref screwed up, Tice screwed up. End of story.
You can't in sound mind call that a dominant victory for the Eagles. You just can't. Change the outcome of maybe 3 plays, and you've got a victory for the Vikings. I'm not saying the Eagles don't deserve the win, they played well and they earned it. However, that game could have VERY easily gone the other way, and you can't deny it unless you are an absolute moron.
As for your little translation....no, you're wrong again. First off....Philly hasn't won the NFC in over 20 years, have you forgotten that? And you throw out "always"....umm....I'd like you to take a trip to Texas Stadium and take a look at the trophy case, see those 5 pretty things that are absent at the Linc? I still don't think the Eagles will win the conferance. Sure they have a chance, but in my mind the Vikings are still a better team, and the Seahawks are as well. Hell, the way Washington's D has been playing, if they don't turn the ball over 7 times, I could see them beating the Eagles, and if they stop with all the stupid errors, I could see Dallas doing it to. Week 10 my friend.
The secondary that gave up 355 yards to grandpa Vinny? Yeah they are obviously the strong point of the defense.
And before you call other people morons, let me present the first in a new weekly installment of what I call "Oops, he was wrong again!"
After 2 games he has 25% of his season high TD total of 16. That's not a decline if you ask me.
Did you see the game?
Like Antoine Winfield?
lordtyranus
Banned
I'd have to agree with you on this. Being a season ticket holder last year, a lot of us are admittedly out of our minds some of the time.
I was watching the game with around 5 eagles fans and 2 vikings fans, who were arguing how TO is a better receiver than Moss is. :disgust:
The way Dallas "contained" the Vikings week 1? Carolina trashed us last year, and I would be very unhappy playing them this year, if not for the Steven Davis injury.
I am a bit hesitant to face Seattle and New England. We should easily beat anyone else in the NFL this year.
The league is so severely depleted of good corners (other than Champ Bailey and Chris Mcalister) that I don't see much merit in your #1 corner theory.
If it wasn't a catch, then how about the missed PI call?
http://www.dmac5.com/catch.gif
And how about the fumble recovery right after the westbrook fumble where the refs didn't even look at the pile before giving it to the vikings? and how about the constant holding by minny's o-line? There are always little things on both sides that could've happened but they didn't so who the fck cares?
Here's a little factoid for you about this overrated Vikings team - they are now 1-17 in their last 18 away games on turf. Culpepper has more fumbles than he has played games.
I've had my fun for now, time to go home
http://www.dmac5.com/catch.gif
And how about the fumble recovery right after the westbrook fumble where the refs didn't even look at the pile before giving it to the vikings? and how about the constant holding by minny's o-line? There are always little things on both sides that could've happened but they didn't so who the fck cares?
Here's a little factoid for you about this overrated Vikings team - they are now 1-17 in their last 18 away games on turf. Culpepper has more fumbles than he has played games.
I've had my fun for now, time to go home
Deeko
Lifer
I said it was the strength of their defense, and I said it was decent, I didn't say they were good. Keep on talkin about grandpa vinny, but then look at the stat book and see that he's leading the league in yards.
Yea, TO is doing well so far, but don't forget that the first game was against the awful, awful Giants secondary. I didn't see him lighting it up against Minnesota's average secondary. 4 catches for 79 yards, 1 TD....45 yards and a TD WERE NOT A CATCH....wow, that's amazing. I take it ALL back.
Yea, I saw the game, and I saw my share of throws to receivers feet. Madden pointed it out too. Did you catch that?
Yea, like Antoine Winfield, read above paragraph.
Next?
Yea, TO is doing well so far, but don't forget that the first game was against the awful, awful Giants secondary. I didn't see him lighting it up against Minnesota's average secondary. 4 catches for 79 yards, 1 TD....45 yards and a TD WERE NOT A CATCH....wow, that's amazing. I take it ALL back.
Yea, I saw the game, and I saw my share of throws to receivers feet. Madden pointed it out too. Did you catch that?
Yea, like Antoine Winfield, read above paragraph.
Next?
Deeko
Lifer
lordtyranus, I said they could contain the Eagles. Its a different kind of offense. Different defenses are good at stopping different offenses.
Kev,
that's a terrible picture, but fine, call it, its still not a touchdown by your loverboy. Did the Vikings win that fumble? Yep. Constant holding?? Yea, the ones that were called all the time. What's your point??
You aren't listening to me. The Eagles played well, but they did not convincingly dominate anyone. Like I said, don't start sizing up your fingers yet.
Kev,
that's a terrible picture, but fine, call it, its still not a touchdown by your loverboy. Did the Vikings win that fumble? Yep. Constant holding?? Yea, the ones that were called all the time. What's your point??
You aren't listening to me. The Eagles played well, but they did not convincingly dominate anyone. Like I said, don't start sizing up your fingers yet.
Did not convincingly dominate? What does it take for you to see domination? Daunte was incredibly tired at the end of the game from the massive amount of pressure he took from the Eagles D, and Daunte, just like McNabb, is a large quarterback, 6'4" 265 is he? And he's nearly as difficult to sack as McNabb .. had he been an average sized QB, he would have gotten absolutely torn apart. Now yes, we didn't see as many sacks as we could have, but I still consider the amount of pressure, hurries, and hands up in the passing lanes as domination.
Deeko
Lifer
*sigh*
Daunte gets 3 more inches before that fumble. +7 vikings. Tice challenges the touchdown, it gets called back, and the Eagles have to punt. -7 Eagles. Vikings win.
I'm not saying the Eagles didn't deserve to win, they played a solid game and they won. However, you just can't call this a dominant victory. you can't. Be intelligent.....Dallas held Jeff Garcia to a 0.0 QB rating, and beat the team that scored 20 points against the vaunted Ravens defense, and I'm very unsatisfied with the game. Why? They could have very easily lost it. Is it THAT hard to admit that as an Eagles fan?
Daunte gets 3 more inches before that fumble. +7 vikings. Tice challenges the touchdown, it gets called back, and the Eagles have to punt. -7 Eagles. Vikings win.
I'm not saying the Eagles didn't deserve to win, they played a solid game and they won. However, you just can't call this a dominant victory. you can't. Be intelligent.....Dallas held Jeff Garcia to a 0.0 QB rating, and beat the team that scored 20 points against the vaunted Ravens defense, and I'm very unsatisfied with the game. Why? They could have very easily lost it. Is it THAT hard to admit that as an Eagles fan?
SP33Demon
Lifer
Yeah, I meant the division 3 times, not NFC. I doubt Washington will do anything to Philly after the NYG beat them, and Philly stomped NY.
Yup Sea Isle is great around this time, perfect weather at night... good for taking a girl out on a 2nd date there with a sleeping bag 😉 *memories*
Yup, you have to stick to your team no matter what... even through the rough years like losing 3 NFC title games or living through Buckner/Boone... lol
I thought Philly was extremely dominant with 4 sacks on the almost unsackable Culpepper, who had just said "This is the best O line I've ever had" before the game. Jim Johnson is just a genious... regarding all the short yardage Philly gave up, that was their plan. It was all Culpepper could really do with the constantly morphing schemes that JJ threw at him, and the Freak's superior quickness. JJ didn't want Moss to get the big gamebreaking play, and knew that if he could cover deep and pressure Culpepper with blitzes/shadowing screens with Freak at MLB and/or OLB, they would eventually crack. This was at the expense of short yardage, not many teams can consistently get short yardage like N.England, especially when forced to. Just the fact that the Eagles forced Minny into a short game showed dominance. Are they like the legendary Ravens' or Bucs' D when they won it all? No, of course not, but they are good enough to dominate when coached well.
Regarding the TO caught TD, hindsight is 20/20. +90% of the time that a ref allows it, and a coach doesn't challenge, the play will stand as the right call. It looked like he had possession initially after the catch, and the ball was sliding on top of his body as he was tackled out of bounds, so it was close. Either way, Tice knew it was Pass Interference and Philly would have had it at the 1. So it's a moot point like Kev illustrated in his pic.
Saying that if Daunte got 3 more inches is WORTHLESS .. that's like saying if only McNabb hit TO for a 60 yard TD .. it didn't happen, that's the bottom line; distance means nothing. And if you'er taklign about calling back the TO TD where his knee touched the ground, you're off your rocker if you think the Eagles would not have scored from the 1 yard line with a run game that the Vikings couldn't stop all night. The Eagles simply played better ball, and are the better team. Is it THAT hard to admit that the Eagles are one of the best teams in the NFL this year?
Deeko
Lifer
sp33demon, yea the eagles d-line played a great game, but you can't call a game a dominant victory if 2 plays resulting differently could have caused a different victor. You just can't.
TheVrolok....you aren't even worth my time. At least sp33demon and kev are intelligent, if (in my opinion) irrational. You are just ridiculous.
TheVrolok....you aren't even worth my time. At least sp33demon and kev are intelligent, if (in my opinion) irrational. You are just ridiculous.
You have to be kidding, eveything I've said is 100% rational and logical. I fail to see where you see the insanity in my posts. I'd love for you to enlighten me .. unless, of course, you're just going to claim, again, that if the result of certain plays was different, the game would have ended differently. Which to me is so obvious and such a pathetic argument that it borders on ridiculous.
Deeko
Lifer
Ok.
You compared Culpepper being 3 inches away from the end zone to a 60 yard TD. Its just a LIIIITLE bit more likely that he'll get those 3 inches, don't you think?
Its probably that they would have scored from the one, but if you want to pull insane sh!t out of your ass like the above, so can I. However, no, I did not say anywhere that the Eagles wouldn't have scored from the 1. I said there was a chance they wouldn't have scored from the 45.
The Eagles played better ball, I've conceded that already. However, what YOU need to concede is that they certainly did not demonstrate that they are the better team. First off, this is the NFL, one game means nothing. Second off, don't forget that the Eagles are at home, if it was this close in Philly, who says the Vikings wouldn't have won at home? But more importantly, the game was so close in so many regards, if these teams meet again in the playoffs, can you honestly say "Yes, the Eagles will win!! They are soo much better a team after that performance!!"? No way, not if you have half a brain you can't.
There, that is your 'insanity' just from that one post. You know, its a shame, I love this city, but man is it home to some of the STUPIDEST sports fans alive.
You compared Culpepper being 3 inches away from the end zone to a 60 yard TD. Its just a LIIIITLE bit more likely that he'll get those 3 inches, don't you think?
Its probably that they would have scored from the one, but if you want to pull insane sh!t out of your ass like the above, so can I. However, no, I did not say anywhere that the Eagles wouldn't have scored from the 1. I said there was a chance they wouldn't have scored from the 45.
The Eagles played better ball, I've conceded that already. However, what YOU need to concede is that they certainly did not demonstrate that they are the better team. First off, this is the NFL, one game means nothing. Second off, don't forget that the Eagles are at home, if it was this close in Philly, who says the Vikings wouldn't have won at home? But more importantly, the game was so close in so many regards, if these teams meet again in the playoffs, can you honestly say "Yes, the Eagles will win!! They are soo much better a team after that performance!!"? No way, not if you have half a brain you can't.
There, that is your 'insanity' just from that one post. You know, its a shame, I love this city, but man is it home to some of the STUPIDEST sports fans alive.
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