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Mixing supplements

Alone

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I'm trying to get back into shape, and will hit the gym a lot more than I have been lately. At this time, I'm trying to lose a little bit of fat (maybe 10lbs) and gain muscle mass. I'm currently satisfied with my legs and back, but feel most of my upper body could use some work.

I was looking into creatine and it seems to yield some interesting results. But what about taking fat cutters and glutamine? Would using them together make any sense, or would some just cancel others out?
 
If you're just trying to get back into shape, you don't really need ANY supplements. Creatine might help you out a bit, but you don't really need the two others. Just keep the important things true: lift heavy, eat a lot, get muscle, cut afterwards.
 
SC is right as usual, you probably don't need anything. However, I'm 42 now (and with a few decades behind me to compare against) my experience is that some supplements benefit me noticeably. There is the usual blah blah individual results vary, placebo effect....whatever, I'm convinced they work for me, so it is worth the money I spend on them.

I think it was Special K? that posted this a ways back - beginner's supplement flow chart That flow chart has been very useful. HTH.

-Mark




 
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
SC is right as usual, you probably don't need anything. However, I'm 42 now (and with a few decades behind me to compare against) my experience is that some supplements benefit me noticeably. There is the usual blah blah individual results vary, placebo effect....whatever, I'm convinced they work for me, so it is worth the money I spend on them.

I think it was Special K? that posted this a ways back - beginner's supplement flow chart That flow chart has been very useful. HTH.

-Mark

I agree that supplements can help, but I usually suggest them for more advanced users that already have clear and solid experience to make decisions from. Beginners will gain very easily and really don't need much. Intermediates sometimes need all the advantages they can get from creatine, whey, etc, etc. I'm glad they work for somebody though 🙂 You wouldn't believe how many people I've met that have been pissed after trying a supplement that cost them a fair amount of money and did nothing.

EDIT: It was SVT's thread btw.
 
At this time, I'm trying to lose a little bit of fat (maybe 10lbs) and gain muscle mass.

Judging by your goal of only losing 10lbs, this isn't going to happen.

The reason I say this is because generally only fat beginners are able to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. When they are in a situation where there body is primed to use fat for fuel and far from their genetic limitations. If you're goal is to lose fat, concentrate on losing fat. You may very well look more muscular by losing fat, but you likely won't gain any additional muscle mass.

Besides that, I agree with SociallyChallenged. If you decide to use creatine, that's fine though. It's dirt cheap and definitely may help, but don't expect it to do anything phenomenal. Your training and most importantly, your diet, will have the biggest effect on your physique.
 
Fat loss isn't a huge concern, I guess. I'd rather gain muscle mass. I'm about 155/160lbs at 5'10, so I don't NEED to lose weight. Muscle mass is the goal here.

Too be completely honest, I want to be able to walk around in a beater and not look like a douche.
 
Originally posted by: Alone
Fat loss isn't a huge concern, I guess. I'd rather gain muscle mass. I'm about 155/160lbs at 5'10, so I don't NEED to lose weight. Muscle mass is the goal here.

Too be completely honest, I want to be able to walk around in a beater and not look like a douche.

You do realize that the douche factor is going to increase as you get more in shape, right? 😛
 
Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
You do realize that the douche factor is going to increase as you get more in shape, right? 😛

Different kind of douche, I guess. 😉

I want to look good in a beater.

Here's a current example. Sorry, it's one of the only pictures I have.

One more.
 
Originally posted by: Alone
At this time, I'm trying to lose a little bit of fat (maybe 10lbs) and gain muscle mass.
In general, unless you're a total beginner with lots of extra fat, you'll need to focus one or the other. It sounds like in later replies you want to add muscle, so here's a simple plan for achieving that:

1. Calories in > Calories out. This is the only formula that really matters for weight gain/loss. Eat more than you burn, and you'll gain weight. Don't overdo it, or you'll add lots of fat. Try not to gain more than 1 pound a week, or again, it's likely to include more fat than you'd want. A daily caloric surplus of 200-500 calories is a reasonable goal, but the best bet is to monitor your weight (and your measurements) on a weekly basis and adjust as necessary. Use thedailyplate.com or fitday.com to track your diet & exercise, otherwise, you would just be estimating which the vast majority of people suck at.

2. Eat enough protein. Your body needs a good amount of protein to build muscle, so aim for around 1g of protein per pound of bodyweight. Again, thedailyplate.com and fitday.com can help you track this.

3. Lift heavy. Focus on compound movements (squat, deadlift, bench press, OH press, power clean, pull-ups, dips) with free weights, 3 times a week on non-consecutive days, 3-4 exercises a day that work the entire body (push, pull, legs) with around 3-5 sets of 5 reps per exercise. Do not come up with your own routine, as that is a sure way to failure. The routine in Starting Strength or Stronglifts 5x5 are excellent choices.

Originally posted by: Alone
I'm currently satisfied with my legs and back, but feel most of my upper body could use some work.
The biggest muscles in your body, by far, are in your legs and back. If you neglect them in your workout you are going to seriously slow your own gains. Do NOT end up as another dude in the gym that has chicken legs and does bicep curls all day and wonders why he gets no results. Your upper body will get FAR bigger if you do squats & deadlifts as part of your routine than if you ignore them.

Originally posted by: Alone
I was looking into creatine and it seems to yield some interesting results. But what about taking fat cutters and glutamine? Would using them together make any sense, or would some just cancel others out?
If you are a beginner, you really don't need any supplements. A healthy diet & lifting heavy will produce awesome gains for a while without the need for anything extra.

Even as an intermediate, you don't need any supplements, but you can simplify your diet by adding whey protein, fish oil and a multi-vitamin. Creatine I doubt you need, but if you do your reading, understand its purpose and use it properly, it may be beneficial. You definitely don't need any fat cutter glutamine, or anything else.
 
Sounds like great advice. I'll try to follow it as best I can.

The reason I say my legs don't need work is because I run often and they're pretty jacked. I don't want to sacrifice what speed/endurance I have already.

As for the glutamine, I'm currently taking it due to some knee injuries I've racked up in the last few months.
 
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