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Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

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Linux23 said:
I will tell you this, if you grow up around the same people, doing the same shit, who do you think you're most likely to follow?

How can you succeed when you don't know success? Are we like the Borg where we share a collective?
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All of my childhood friends grew up to be gang-bangers, murderers, and junkies. I didn't. I lived in the same environment. I was raised on wellfare without a father. Somehow I didn't end up like them. None of them can blame their environment because they had the same opportunities I had. Don't go blaming it on their behalf. They got where they are because they wanted to do the crap they do. It doesn't take a Borg Collective hive-mind to teach/show the next generation that you reap what you sow. Instead, we get a bunch of misguided apologists marching and blaming the authorities and society for everything that happens to them. Give me a break.
 
Linux23 said:
I will tell you this, if you grow up around the same people, doing the same shit, who do you think you're most likely to follow?

How can you succeed when you don't know success? Are we like the Borg where we share a collective?
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Excuses for poor choices.

Unless a person is isolated from the media; there is the ability to see role models.

Take Brown for example. His family claims he was heading to college; therefore he had to know how to attempt to achieve.
He chose the alternate path on purpose, not that it was forced on him.
 
cabri said:
Excuses for poor choices.

Unless a person is isolated from the media; there is the ability to see role models.

Take Brown for example. His family claims he was heading to college; therefore he had to know how to attempt to achieve.
He chose the alternate path on purpose, not that it was forced on him.
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That's right, white people going to college never do anything wrong.

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http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2014/1...eene-State-College-students-be-expelled-video
 
CZroe said:
All of my childhood friends grew up to be gang-bangers, murderers, and junkies. I didn't. I lived in the same environment. I was raised on wellfare without a father. Somehow I didn't end up like them. None of them can blame their environment because they had the same opportunities I had. Don't go blaming it on their behalf. They got where they are because they wanted to do the crap they do. It doesn't take a Borg Collective hive-mind to teach/show the next generation that you reap what you sow. Instead, we get a bunch of misguided apologists marching and blaming the authorities and society for everything that happens to them. Give me a break.
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Yes, congrats. You saw the light and got yourself out of that hole. Unfortunately not everyone thinks like you. It was very difficult for me growing up, being smart, liking school and being the first male in my city to make the Honor Society, and received a few NAACP awards. I got teased, I was called nerd, I was chastised and abused. It would have been much easier to say fuck it, all I want to know about is money, hoes and clothes.

Some guys make it past their environments, some don't. I'm not blaming anything. All i'm saying is that's it's tough to be that crab that escapes out of the barrel. Not impossible.
 
cabri said:
Excuses for poor choices.

Unless a person is isolated from the media; there is the ability to see role models.

Take Brown for example. His family claims he was heading to college; therefore he had to know how to attempt to achieve.
He chose the alternate path on purpose, not that it was forced on him.
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You really can't be that stupid?
 
Linux23 said:
Yes, congrats. You saw the light and got yourself out of that hole. Unfortunately not everyone thinks like you. It was very difficult for me growing up, being smart, liking school and being the first male in my city to make the Honor Society, and received a few NAACP awards. I got teased, I was called nerd, I was chastised and abused. It would have been much easier to say fuck it, all I want to know about is money, hoes and clothes.

Some guys make it past their environments, some don't. I'm not blaming anything. All i'm saying is that's it's tough to be that crab that escapes out of the barrel. Not impossible.
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Of course everyone doesn't think the same, and personal responsibility holds them accountable for that. Get it? Their way of thinking isn't an excuse to avoid personal responsibility, it is the behavior for which they should be personally responsible. The actions are the result of bad thinking and the consequences/personal responsibility is for BOTH.
 
CZroe said:
Of course everyone doesn't think the same, and personal responsibility holds them accountable for that. Get it? Their way of thinking isn't an excuse to avoid personal responsibility, it is the behavior for which they should be personally responsible. The actions are the result of bad thinking and the consequences/personal responsibility is for BOTH.
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Except when you are a cop, personal responsibility isn't required nor do they suffer from the consequences of their actions, right?

Maybe you should clarify because I'm pretty sure you don't believe everyone should be held to the same standards equally,
 
GarfieldtheCat said:
cabri said:
Excuses for poor choices.

Unless a person is isolated from the media; there is the ability to see role models.

Take Brown for example. His family claims he was heading to college; therefore he had to know how to attempt to achieve.
He chose the alternate path on purpose, not that it was forced on him.
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That's right, white people going to college never do anything wrong.
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Funny, I never mentioned race or color at all.😵

You must have some guilt complex to bring up such.:thumbsdown:
 
GarfieldtheCat said:
That's right, white people going to college never do anything wrong.

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http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2014/1...eene-State-College-students-be-expelled-video
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I don't see any white people in that image engaging in a fist fight with a police officer, trying to wrestle control of his gun.

If that happens, I fully expect the police officer to shoot back.

And, we have had authorities shootings against unarmed white people protesting on college campuses. There was a very famous one you probably have heard of.
 
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cubby1223 said:
I don't see any white people in that image engaging in a fist fight with a police officer, trying to wrestle control of his gun.

If that happens, I fully expect the police officer to shoot back.

And, we have had authorities shootings against unarmed white people protesting on college campuses. There was a very famous one you probably have heard of.
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I'd say that just highlights your ignorance of police procedures of using the least amount of force necessary and it certainly highlights police incompetence in the latest threads here on P&N about cops killing black men.

Here are several examples of police not shooting suspects in similar situations as other police did in other threads you have participated in.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GK8uNgK4Sno

http://www.ksat.com/content/pns/ksat/news/2012/07/06/naked-man-wrestles-with-cops.html

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YtNpPTLElQU

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9Nh1EN65pY


Quick, channel your inner geosurface and tell us how these are different.
 
ivwshane said:
Except when you are a cop, personal responsibility isn't required nor do they suffer from the consequences of their actions, right?

Maybe you should clarify because I'm pretty sure you don't believe everyone should be held to the same standards equally,
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But here is the issue:

Why is it taboo to make these statements simultaneously:

(1) police officers should face stronger consequences when they use excessive force (Wilson did not use excessive force in my opinion, we just have to agree to disagree on that one)
(2) civilians need to take greater responsibility and make better choices and follow the law

Why is it so taboo to mention the second, even when accompanied with the first?
 
ivwshane said:
Quick, channel your inner geosurface and tell us how these are different.
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You've rarely shown any rationality in this thread. You have no moral superiority to make any statements like that.

There are a lot of examples of unarmed black people not shot by white officers too.

So what do you want to come out of this back & forth game of providing examples of various situations that have happened at least once?

You're the one who is acting as the person who sees a racial fight in everything. You are who you decry.
 
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cubby1223 said:
But here is the issue:

Why is it taboo to make these statements simultaneously:

(1) police officers should face stronger consequences when they use excessive force (Wilson did not use excessive force in my opinion, we just have to agree to disagree on that one)
(2) civilians need to take greater responsibility and make better choices and follow the law

Why is it so taboo to mention the second, even when accompanied with the first?
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Because people here and in the media have only done #2 and not #1. Also, the police are and should be held to a higher standard than normal citizens. Why? Because they are trained, they are armed with multiple types of weapons, they have back up, and they have the law to back them up.
 
cubby1223 said:
You've rarely shown any rationality in this thread. You have no moral superiority to make any statements like that.

There are a lot of examples of unarmed black people not shot by white officers too.

So what do you want to come out of this back & forth game of providing examples of various situations that have happened at least once?

You're the one who is acting as the person who sees a racial fight in everything. You are who you decry.
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Prove it. I'v made no claims that white cop on black killings are all racially motivated, I certainly haven't said that it's not an issue though.

I don't see a racial fight in everything, I see hypocrisy. I see people claiming race isn't an issue and then I show them that it is. I see people stating facts when the facts don't support their claim. I see people claiming evidence backs their version of events and counter that there is also evidence that backs a counter version of events. I see people claiming that justice was served and I counter that justice was manipulated. I see people making character claims about a suspect with nothing from which to form that opinion and if they do have something to base their claims on, they dismiss similar claims when evidence is presented that speaks to the character of the officer in question. I see you and others claiming suspects got what they deserved and that the suspects should take responsibility for their actions while excusing the actions and responsibility the police should own up to.
Lastly I've seen you personally use a common response that white supremacist use when deflecting.
 
ivwshane said:
Because people here and in the media have only done #2 and not #1. Also, the police are and should be held to a higher standard than normal citizens. Why? Because they are trained, they are armed with multiple types of weapons, they have back up, and they have the law to back them up.
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In the Ferguson situation, the shooting was justified. There is no need to pursue greater punishment on Wilson in this situation. If you want to talk about another situation, create a thread and talk about another situation. Wilson was justified in this shooting. The total summation of evidence highly suggests Brown was the aggressor in this confrontation.

And, let's just be bluntly honest, we want the police officers to deal with those who are truly harmful and dangerous so that we do not have to. I see the changes that are being demanded by the activists, as resulting in greater probability across the board of being harmfully wronged by other civilians, than the reduction in probability of being harmfully wronged by police officers.

You must see it differently, that these restrictions will reduce harmful police interactions more than it increases harmful criminal interactions.

If the stats show restrictions on police officers do not increase crime greater than the reduction of police abuses, that would be fucking fantastic! But it's always an unknown until the changes are implemented and the results fairly observed. But do us all a favor and drop the racial aspect. I don't want to see innocent people harmed any more than you do. In your defiance not to be "white", you are becoming what you condemn. Brown was not innocent. The Ferguson situation is and always will be an example that is counter to your current argument.
 
cubby1223 said:
In the Ferguson situation, the shooting was justified. There is no need to pursue greater punishment on Wilson in this situation. If you want to talk about another situation, create a thread and talk about another situation. Wilson was justified in this shooting. The total summation of evidence highly suggests Brown was the aggressor in this confrontation.

And, let's just be bluntly honest, we want the police officers to deal with those who are truly harmful and dangerous so that we do not have to. I see the changes that are being demanded by the activists, as resulting in greater probability across the board of being harmfully wronged by other civilians, than the reduction in probability of being harmfully wronged by police officers.

You must see it differently, that these restrictions will reduce harmful police interactions more than it increases harmful criminal interactions.

If the stats show restrictions on police officers do not increase crime greater than the reduction of police abuses, that would be fucking fantastic! But it's always an unknown until the changes are implemented and the results fairly observed. But do us all a favor and drop the racial aspect. I don't want to see innocent people harmed any more than you do. In your defiance not to be "white", you are becoming what you condemn. Brown was not innocent. The Ferguson situation is and always will be an example that is counter to your current argument.
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You are oblivious and you continue to do exactly what I just complained about.

Btw, justice isn't a cop killing a suspect just because he deserved it. It's not even close which makes your line, "I don't want to see innocent people harmed any more than you do.", all the more laughable. Sadly I don't think you are even aware of this conflict in your thinking.
 
cubby1223 said:
If the stats show restrictions on police officers do not increase crime greater than the reduction of police abuses, that would be fucking fantastic! But it's always an unknown until the changes are implemented and the results fairly observed. But do us all a favor and drop the racial aspect. I don't want to see innocent people harmed any more than you do. In your defiance not to be "white", you are becoming what you condemn. Brown was not innocent. The Ferguson situation is and always will be an example that is counter to your current argument.
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For Seattle
From 2010->2011
  • Major Crimes + 4%
  • Homicide +5%
  • Rape +4%
  • Robbery -1%
  • Aggrevated Assault +8%


Holder forces changes in police procedures

From 2011->2012
  • Major Crimes + 4%
  • Homicide +30%
  • Rape +21%
  • Robbery 2%
  • Aggrevated Assault +3%


All categories jumped and with exception of Aggravated Assault, the 2012 percentages were worse than the 2011.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I missed the part where he said that. You really shouldn't listen to those voices in your head.
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Wrong. He said this:

His family claims he was heading to college; therefore he had to know how to attempt to achieve.
He chose the alternate path on purpose, not that it was forced on him.
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Clearly implying that despite the chance to go to college, he chose to commit criminal acts.

Those white kids are committing criminal acts and they are in college. And they weren't even shot! Or even threatened with being shot or tazed. Go figure!
 
cubby1223 said:
I don't see any white people in that image engaging in a fist fight with a police officer, trying to wrestle control of his gun.

If that happens, I fully expect the police officer to shoot back.

And, we have had authorities shootings against unarmed white people protesting on college campuses. There was a very famous one you probably have heard of.
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You must have not read teh article where they threw bottles and stuff at the police. cErtainly thuggish behavoir, no?

Yet no arrests, no shootings, no tazering. And they weren't even called thugs.

White kids committing crimes - youthful mistake, blowing off steam, etc.

Black kids committing crimes - thugs and executed
 
GarfieldtheCat said:
You must have not read teh article where they threw bottles and stuff at the police. cErtainly thuggish behavoir, no?

Yet no arrests, no shootings, no tazering. And they weren't even called thugs.

White kids committing crimes - youthful mistake, blowing off steam, etc.

Black kids committing crimes - thugs and executed
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What are you arguing? What is the point you are making?

That black people are sometimes treated differently by law enforcement? Message received. I don't disagree with that. I've never disagreed with that. Anything else?
 
GarfieldtheCat said:
Wrong. He said this:

His family claims he was heading to college; therefore he had to know how to attempt to achieve.
He chose the alternate path on purpose, not that it was forced on him.

Clearly implying that despite the chance to go to college, he chose to commit criminal acts.

Those white kids are committing criminal acts and they are in college. And they weren't even shot! Or even threatened with being shot or tazed. Go figure!
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He rolled the dice.
Robbing the store would not have killed him nor probably interacting with the justice system

Attacking a police office did.

What other stories are there available about people physically attacking police offers and not being held accountable.
they may not have been jailed, but at least the justice system intervened
 
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