Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

[BoberFett]

Hey, if I insulted your boyfriend just bury your head deeper into the pillow next time so you won't be so butt hurt.

Nice veiled homosexual slur.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Hey, if I insulted your boyfriend just bury your head deeper into the pillow next time so you won't be so butt hurt.

After all that, you'd still have to look up to see me swim by you nutt hugging bristle worm.

296 posts...I guess they will let anybody join these forums......

 

[Nograts]

Hey, if I insulted your boyfriend just bury your head deeper into the pillow next time so you won't be so butt hurt.

After all that, you'd still have to look up to see me swim by you nutt hugging bristle worm.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Listen to Nancy Grace. She knows what she is talking about.


http://www.eurweb.com/2014/11/nancy-grace-not-buying-darren-wilsons-story-it-doesnt-add-up-watch/

so do these people, but you support The Dear Leader.

 

[DCal430]

Propaganda

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Listen to Nancy Grace. She knows what she is talking about.

Yep, she definitely knows how to lie and embellish a story, I'm using a DailyKOS link so you can't claim political bias or propaganda.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/03/01/190914/-Nancy-Grace-Pulls-a-James-Frey

Sometimes reality doesn't fit the narrative that you want to tell. So, you add an "embellishment" here, an "embellishment" there and the resulting fiction fits better into the narrative that you are trying to tell. You get a better story to tell when people ask you how you entered your line of work.
Nancy Grace has been telling a story for years about the murder of her fiancee, Keith Griffin, when she was 19 and how her outrage at the criminal justice system drove her to become a prosecutor and then a missing-white-woman reporter. Nancy Grace's fiancee, Keith Griffin, was murdered when she was 19. That part of the story is true, but that is just about the only part of the story that is true.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Propaganda

A commission looks into this and shows horrors far beyond anything done here and it's propaganda?

Of course real abuse isn't forgiven because of your Auschwitz type buddies, but it does demonstrate the valuelessness of your words.

 

[rudeguy]

I need someone to help me figure out how I feel about this situation.

1. I don't understand how a cop could think the best way to handle the situation was to shoot an unarmed person. He has a taser, baton, maybe less than lethal rounds for a shotgun, a radio to call for backup...all kinds of options besides firing multiple volleys at an unarmed person. Maybe the first shots when he was in his car and had no time to think but when he chased after Brown, knowing that Brown was dangerous, why not call for backup and follow him until he had help?

2. How can Brown's family and the media portray him as a "gentle giant"? I watched him not being so gentle right before he was shot. Exactly how can you be gentle but rob and bully people?

3. How does rioting, stealing, arson, interrupting transit, shutting down malls do anything to even begin to fix anything? If the argument is a white cop shooting a black guy, why were so many snot nosed white kids out there causing mayhem?

4. Why is the federal government poking into this? Why did Brown's parents go to the UN?

I just don't get it.

 

[Genx87]

http://deadspin.com/st-louis-cops-d...ource=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

This may be the problem. Manager of the union is an ex-cop that was fired for falsifying police reports to cover for over cops. I also like his racial undertones of the people doing the burning.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I need someone to help me figure out how I feel about this situation.

1. I don't understand how a cop could think the best way to handle the situation was to shoot an unarmed person. He has a taser, baton, maybe less than lethal rounds for a shotgun, a radio to call for backup...all kinds of options besides firing multiple volleys at an unarmed person. Maybe the first shots when he was in his car and had no time to think but when he chased after Brown, knowing that Brown was dangerous, why not call for backup and follow him until he had help?

According to his testimony, Officer Wilson did call for back up. Brown turning around and charging back at him was not expected.

2. How can Brown's family and the media portray him as a "gentle giant"? I watched him not being so gentle right before he was shot. Exactly how can you be gentle but rob and bully people?

Easy, that's the narrative they want to put forward. There are many who still believe the "Hands up, don't shoot" narrative even though the evidence and other witness testimony disproves it.

3. How does rioting, stealing, arson, interrupting transit, shutting down malls do anything to even begin to fix anything? If the argument is a white cop shooting a black guy, why were so many snot nosed white kids out there causing mayhem?

It doesn't fix anything, this was an excuse for the anarchist crowd and thieves to loot and burn

4. Why is the federal government poking into this?

Al Sharpton and other activist leaders are demanding it

Why did Brown's parents go to the UN?

In hopes of gaining more support for their cause, even though it's based on lies

I just don't get it.

Most Americans don't get it either.

 

[Sulaco]

I need someone to help me figure out how I feel about this situation.

1. I don't understand how a cop could think the best way to handle the situation was to shoot an unarmed person. He has a taser, baton, maybe less than lethal rounds for a shotgun, a radio to call for backup...all kinds of options besides firing multiple volleys at an unarmed person. Maybe the first shots when he was in his car and had no time to think but when he chased after Brown, knowing that Brown was dangerous, why not call for backup and follow him until he had help?

First things first;

Backup was called for, but during the struggle inside the car and radio had been jostled onto the wrong channel. Other cars had been and were en route to the scene anyway, but the actual distress call and not been transmitted due to the scuffle at the car.

Secondly, and this is one that needs to be addressed, once you physically attack an officer (punching Wilson in the face, several other attempts at striking him), and grab for his weapon, you have escalated the situation to a lethal level.

Again, if Wilson's story is accurate, and Brown did indeed attempt to wrestle his weapon away from him (and no, I'm not saying it IS 100% accurate, no one knows that for absolute certain, but the weight of evidence is clearly in his favor), and then charge Wilson once out of the car, despite the weapon being raised, in Wilson's mind represented a clear and deadly immediate threat.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Again, if Wilson's story is accurate, and Brown did indeed attempt to wrestle his weapon away from him (and no, I'm not saying it IS 100% accurate, no one knows that for absolute certain, but the weight of evidence is clearly in his favor), and then charge Wilson once out of the car, despite the weapon being raised, in Wilson's mind represented a clear and deadly immediate threat.

I think, once you've already shot a guy once because he attacked you and tried to take your gun, and then he's charging at you like a bull?

Fuck that.

That is what guns were made for. Brown fucked up, but he had to be put down.

And I say that as someone who generally doesn't like guns and had a friend killed by a cop.

Wilson did what he had to do. Had he not, he'd probably be dead.

 

[doubledeluxe]

Brown weighed close to 300 lbs and was almost 6'5 tall and the lunatics in our society are claiming that Wilson pulled him into the car by his throat without leaving a mark.

This whole episode should be over and done with and the people of Ferguson ashamed of themselves for not only making themselves look like idiots but a lot of other people across the country as well.

Rage not found.

 

[Greenman]

Hey, if I insulted your boyfriend just bury your head deeper into the pillow next time so you won't be so butt hurt.

After all that, you'd still have to look up to see me swim by you nutt hugging bristle worm.

I was right, the other fellow was brighter than you, by quite a margin.
When you copy retorts from two different people don't try to string them together if you don't understand the content.

 

[TechBoyJK]

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_9f15bf49-c8b7-5bc3-8671-ac291f666084.html

Looks like the STL Bosnian community might be brought into the fold. They're pissed. They already don't like 'urban black people'. They're starting their own protests.

 

[cabri]

I need someone to help me figure out how I feel about this situation.

1. I don't understand how a cop could think the best way to handle the situation was to shoot an unarmed person. He has a taser, baton, maybe less than lethal rounds for a shotgun, a radio to call for backup...all kinds of options besides firing multiple volleys at an unarmed person. Maybe the first shots when he was in his car and had no time to think but when he chased after Brown, knowing that Brown was dangerous, why not call for backup and follow him until he had help?

2. How can Brown's family and the media portray him as a "gentle giant"? I watched him not being so gentle right before he was shot. Exactly how can you be gentle but rob and bully people?

3. How does rioting, stealing, arson, interrupting transit, shutting down malls do anything to even begin to fix anything? If the argument is a white cop shooting a black guy, why were so many snot nosed white kids out there causing mayhem?

4. Why is the federal government poking into this? Why did Brown's parents go to the UN?

I just don't get it.

1)

• a. Did Wilson every indicate that he thought that Wilson was unarmed?
• The guy has just reached into his car ans assaulted him while trying to get his gun.
• b. The initial shots fired at Brown may not have been intended to take him down, but rather stop him from fleeing.
• c. A taser is not effected at a distance. You grab the closest weapon at the time. The same goes for the shotgun; it is anchored within the vehicle. The other weapons on on your person.
• d. The amount of time that elapsed may not have allowed secondary responses to make a call. Wilson's attention was completely on stopping Brown and/or defending himself. Radios are not in an automatic on transmit condition.

2) People present to others what they want to remember, the good of a person. Street thugs can try to hide (and possibly succeed) their alternate lifestyle from the family if the family also cooperates and refuses to see/know what is happening.

3) Excuse to take frustration out and have a "good time". Nothing is expected to get accomplished except for one's 15 minutes of fame.

4) Federal government is poking into it because of POLITICS and RACE alone to satisfy the media.

 

[smackababy]

I've been stopped by the police as matching a robbery suspect.

I complied with their demands, and they let me go.

-John

Once, my friends and I pulled into an apartment complex and were immediately surrounded by SWAT team, pulled from the vehicle and put on the ground, with AR-15s pointed at us. Apparently, we were in a car that matched the description of a drug dealer they were waiting for. They checked all our IDs and sent us on our way. Nobody was shot.

 

[highland145]

No taser per his GJ testimony.

 

[rudeguy]

First things first;

Backup was called for, but during the struggle inside the car and radio had been jostled onto the wrong channel. Other cars had been and were en route to the scene anyway, but the actual distress call and not been transmitted due to the scuffle at the car.

Secondly, and this is one that needs to be addressed, once you physically attack an officer (punching Wilson in the face, several other attempts at striking him), and grab for his weapon, you have escalated the situation to a lethal level.

Again, if Wilson's story is accurate, and Brown did indeed attempt to wrestle his weapon away from him (and no, I'm not saying it IS 100% accurate, no one knows that for absolute certain, but the weight of evidence is clearly in his favor), and then charge Wilson once out of the car, despite the weapon being raised, in Wilson's mind represented a clear and deadly immediate threat.

I'm not saying Wilson should have been indicted. I'm asking why he would opt to shoot an unarmed person rather than follow him until backup arrived.

I carry a gun every day. I have a Glock 19 and 30 rounds of +P 9mm hollow points on me as I type this. If I survived an initial struggle over my gun, I would not chase the guy down and execute him. I totally understand the shots from the cruiser. I don't understand hunting someone down and executing them.

 

[cubby1223]

I need someone to help me figure out how I feel about this situation.

1. I don't understand how a cop could think the best way to handle the situation was to shoot an unarmed person. He has a taser, baton, maybe less than lethal rounds for a shotgun, a radio to call for backup...all kinds of options besides firing multiple volleys at an unarmed person. Maybe the first shots when he was in his car and had no time to think but when he chased after Brown, knowing that Brown was dangerous, why not call for backup and follow him until he had help?

2. How can Brown's family and the media portray him as a "gentle giant"? I watched him not being so gentle right before he was shot. Exactly how can you be gentle but rob and bully people?

3. How does rioting, stealing, arson, interrupting transit, shutting down malls do anything to even begin to fix anything? If the argument is a white cop shooting a black guy, why were so many snot nosed white kids out there causing mayhem?

4. Why is the federal government poking into this? Why did Brown's parents go to the UN?

I just don't get it.

Al Sharpton has a massive tax debt he needs increased donations to help pay back. A lot of people are angry and they don't particularly care about the details, just so they have a target for their anger. Sharpton & company are masters at using & exploiting white guilt and black anger.

There is a lot of money up for grabs if you are the force powerful enough to dictate what the truth was.

 

[Svnla]

I'm not saying Wilson should have been indicted. I'm asking why he would opt to shoot an unarmed person rather than follow him until backup arrived.

I carry a gun every day. I have a Glock 19 and 30 rounds of +P 9mm hollow points on me as I type this. If I survived an initial struggle over my gun, I would not chase the guy down and execute him. I totally understand the shots from the cruiser. I don't understand hunting someone down and executing them.

You need to watch the interview of Wilson by George S. of ABC News.

Wilson did chase after Brown and tell him to stop. Brown for whatever reason, did stop but turn around and charge Wilson, that's why Wilson shot Brown. The evidences and bullet placements plus witnesses accounts backed up Wilson's statements.

No hunting and execution by Wilson but justified shooting to eliminate the deadly threat.

 

[smackababy]

I'm not saying Wilson should have been indicted. I'm asking why he would opt to shoot an unarmed person rather than follow him until backup arrived.

I carry a gun every day. I have a Glock 19 and 30 rounds of +P 9mm hollow points on me as I type this. If I survived an initial struggle over my gun, I would not chase the guy down and execute him. I totally understand the shots from the cruiser. I don't understand hunting someone down and executing them.

He didn't hunt him down and execute him. Wilson shot Brown from inside his cruiser and then exited it to likely render aid, as he was trained to do. It sounds silly to render aid to a person you just shot, but that is what they have to do. Brown then, upon Wilson exiting his cruiser, advanced towards Wilson causing more shots to be fired.

Sure, he could have just stayed in his cruiser and let Brown bleed to death on the street. But, apparently, Wilson isn't a bad person.

 

[Blanky]

The coverage of this white dude killed by four black guys will shine an interesting light on the hypocrisy of this entire thing. Too bad for him he ignored the cardinal rule of never getting out of one's car when surrounded by people seemingly intent on violence. It was an awful mistake.

 

[cubby1223]

I'm not saying Wilson should have been indicted. I'm asking why he would opt to shoot an unarmed person rather than follow him until backup arrived.

I carry a gun every day. I have a Glock 19 and 30 rounds of +P 9mm hollow points on me as I type this. If I survived an initial struggle over my gun, I would not chase the guy down and execute him. I totally understand the shots from the cruiser. I don't understand hunting someone down and executing them.

A police officer has the duty to catch, detain, and arrest people who are breaking the law, especially in a violent way like Brown was. It is entirely reasonable for Wilson to chase Brown.

According to Wilson and additional witness testimonies, Brown had turned back around and started coming towards Wilson, presumably to start another physical fight, when he shot at him.

 

[rudeguy]

He didn't hunt him down and execute him. Wilson shot Brown from inside his cruiser and then exited it to likely render aid, as he was trained to do. It sounds silly to render aid to a person you just shot, but that is what they have to do. Brown then, upon Wilson exiting his cruiser, advanced towards Wilson causing more shots to be fired.

Sure, he could have just stayed in his cruiser and let Brown bleed to death on the street. But, apparently, Wilson isn't a bad person.

You have drank way too much koolaid.

I am trained in advanced 1st aid and CPR, I totally understand rendering aid. However I would not use my hollow point rounds to render aid.