Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

[Attic]

Are you getting the 200 ft from the position they're in beside their truck? If so, that may be misleading. I believe the contractors themselves said they were ~ 50 ft from the shooting. It's apparent in the video that at least a couple of minutes have passed since the shooting, so it would be reasonable to think the contractors moved back to where their truck was parked during that time.

And whether or not they did, it's still supposition that they were beside the truck at the time of the shooting.

Regardless, the most recent article I read said they had given statements to LE, so CNN's version won't matter in the long run.

If it is in fact 50ft, then it's still all over news with cameras showing 50ft in relation to MB body based around the environment. I would hope, that puts guy in pink in great vantage point.

But, it appears to me that the 50 foot distance was created by CNN and attributed to the contractors. This fits their MO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sblJdLcgXfU

First 20 seconds there, it should be clear what CNN has done with the 50ft lie and how they placed it within the context of the video.


The contractor had himself pegged at a 50 yard distance fitting with a rough estimate for their location near the truck. But if this were a contention at all, I think CNN would have indicated so (let us show viewers just how close 50ft is), CNN went with the narrative of 50ft, showed contractors at the truck, and said we are seeing footage captured during final moments of the shooting, not moments after the shooting. 50ft fits the deception, rather than explaining any lurking truth here.


The contractors exact location was likely simply near the truck. There are a lot parking spaces in the picture. 50ft puts this guy under the tree near the street, doesn't fit vehicle parking selection and is unlikely for reasons stated above. His exact location during the shooting was left out by CNN and they chose instead to use what we see as the placeholder for his location going so far as to indicate we are witnessing events during the shooting as we watch that video, this is revealing in and of itself. I think the best possible way for CNN (liars) to present the contractors location was to use the video, so truth of location is either that location or worse given how CNN reports. ie) the contractors could have been further away or at worse angle to MB and Wilson than what we see in video.

 

[werepossum]

I saw Piaget's interview, and also thought she was well-spoken.

And this seems fairly well-balanced:

http://news.yahoo.com/witness-micha...-not-charging-ferguson-officer-182409896.html

Agreed, although “OK, I’m going to get you, you’re already shooting me” makes even less sense than everything else here.

The most senseless part of this whole sad affair is that likely the whole encounter could have been avoided had Brown simply walked on the side of the road like everyone else.

 

[Catriona]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sblJdLcgXfU

The 50 foot distance was created by CNN and attributed to the contractors. This fits their MO.

First 20 seconds there, it should be clear what CNN has done with the 50ft lie and how they placed it within the context of the video.


The contractor had himself pegged at a 50 yard distance fitting with a rough estimate for their location near the truck. But if this were a contention at all, I think CNN would have indicated so (let us show viewers just how close 50ft is), CNN went with the narrative of 50ft, showed contractors at the truck, and said we are seeing footage captured during final moments of the shooting, not moments after the shooting. 50ft fits the deception, rather than explaining any lurking truth here.


The contractors exact location was likely simply near the truck. There are a lot parking spaces in the picture. 50ft puts this guy under the tree near the street, doesn't fit vehicle parking selection and is unlikely for reasons stated above. His exact location during the shooting was left out by CNN and they chose instead to use what we see as the placeholder for his location, this is revealing in and of itself.

I park ~100 ft from where I work, because it's where I'm told to park. We don't know where the work they were doing took them. Personally, if I had just seen someone shot down in the street, warranted or not, I would've made a beeline for my truck no matter how far away it was. 🙂

I'm fine with a placeholder for discussion purposes, but not for drawing conclusions. And, as I said, the contractors have given statements to LE, so we won't be dependent upon CNN. I don't have an agenda with CNN. They're not that important to me.

 

[Catriona]

Agreed, although “OK, I’m going to get you, you’re already shooting me” makes even less sense than everything else here.

The most senseless part of this whole sad affair is that likely the whole encounter could have been avoided had Brown simply walked on the side of the road like everyone else.

It is sad, isn't it? I'm feeling very fortunate that my stupid actions at 18 left me alive.

And I agree that the contractor's interpretation doesn't make sense, but I give him credit for his attempt at objectivity.

 

[Attic]

I saw Piaget's interview, and also thought she was well-spoken.

And this seems fairly well-balanced:

http://news.yahoo.com/witness-micha...-not-charging-ferguson-officer-182409896.html

She's changing her account to match evidence as it comes out, and it's plain to see.

This is a really cheap and lousy thing to do. FFS, she copied verbatim the same line from Parks autopsy charade "back to front" (Park used this in context of explaining shots to Browns front!) to condition her account and prep it to fit the narrative being pushed. Not to be trusted, she's making her account up as she gets info.

2:00 min mark

Can avoid some of the edits and get to the 2:00 min mark.

 

[werepossum]

It is sad, isn't it? I'm feeling very fortunate that my stupid actions at 18 left me alive.

And I agree that the contractor's interpretation doesn't make sense, but I give him credit for his attempt at objectivity.

Yep, on both accounts.

 

[Catriona]

She's changing her account to match evidence as it comes out, and it's plain to see.

This is a really cheap and lousy thing to do. FFS, she copied verbatim the same line from Parks autopsy charade "back to front" (Park used this in context of explaining shots to Browns front!) to condition her account and prep it to fit the narrative being pushed. Not to be trusted, she's making stuff up.

I haven't yet decided who to trust/distrust. I'm still evaluating and processing.

 

[positivedoppler]

I went on CNN website.


The men depicted in the video, who asked not to be identified after CNN contacted them, say they were standing about 50 feet away from Brown and Wilson.

So according to CNN, it was the men who claim they were 50 feet away during the shooting.

 

[werepossum]

She's changing her account to match evidence as it comes out, and it's plain to see.

This is a really cheap and lousy thing to do. FFS, she copied verbatim the same line from Parks autopsy charade "back to front" (Park used this in context of explaining shots to Browns front!) to condition her account and prep it to fit the narrative being pushed. Not to be trusted, she's making her account up as she gets info.

2:00 min mark

Can avoid some of the edits and get to the 2:00 min mark.

It would be more useful to show how Piaget's story has changed by showing earlier statements, not by contrasting her with Johnson who no doubt has very little concept of what constitutes a minute and is a proven liar regarding the shot to the back. Piaget's story seems to be reasonably consistent with Tiffany's - who is obviously no rocket scientist, but how much brains does it take to be an eyewitness? Based solely on these two clips, I don't see a problem with either's testimony. Piaget in particular has at least some concept of what is a centimeter - she used it as a unit of distance, and specifically as a very small unit of distance. She does have some reasonably ghetto pronunciations, but as a man with a heavy Southern drawl I'm certainly not going to hold that as a sign of low intelligence. lol That's mostly what one grows up hearing, unless one makes a concerted effort to overcome it. Overall I find Piaget especially to be a credible, well-spoken witness with considerable charisma. Again, that is based solely on her statement in these two clips; YMMV.

 

[positivedoppler]

I park ~100 ft from where I work, because it's where I'm told to park. We don't know where the work they were doing took them. Personally, if I had just seen someone shot down in the street, warranted or not, I would've made a beeline for my truck no matter how far away it was. 🙂

I'm fine with a placeholder for discussion purposes, but not for drawing conclusions. And, as I said, the contractors have given statements to LE, so we won't be dependent upon CNN. I don't have an agenda with CNN. They're not that important to me.

Same here, at the first sign of confrontation let alone when gunshot starts, I'd be running away from the action. There are plenty of of curious idiots in this world though.

 

[werepossum]

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...rsy-and-created-the-eye-witness-testimonials/
This blog makes a case that Piaget and Tiffany never saw any of the actual shooting. However, he shows no evidence to demonstrate this except pointing out that they captured no video at the time, but rather some minutes later. I don't imagine many of us would have the wherewithal to tape a shooting which took mere seconds, but if their videos are indeed date-stamped several minutes later then his story becomes a bit more plausible. Otherwise I'm assuming they did see the shooting.

 

[Attic]

It would be more useful to show how Piaget's story has changed by showing earlier statements, not by contrasting her with Johnson who no doubt has very little concept of what constitutes a minute and is a proven liar regarding the shot to the back. Piaget's story seems to be reasonably consistent with Tiffany's - who is obviously no rocket scientist, but how much brains does it take to be an eyewitness? Based solely on these two clips, I don't see a problem with either's testimony. Piaget in particular has at least some concept of what is a centimeter - she used it as a unit of distance, and specifically as a very small unit of distance. She does have some reasonably ghetto pronunciations, but as a man with a heavy Southern drawl I'm certainly not going to hold that as a sign of low intelligence. lol That's mostly what one grows up hearing, unless one makes a concerted effort to overcome it. Overall I find Piaget especially to be a credible, well-spoken witness with considerable charisma. Again, that is based solely on her statement in these two clips; YMMV.

She's not telling the truth, she's drawing from information around her and filling in a story.

See here at 3:15 then go to 2:30

Place what she's doing here in context of her knowledge of the autopsy report.

Then, See here at 1:20


We don't know about the shot on arm "back to front" as she meticulously goes length to point out, this is drawn on speculation fitting the autopsy narrative from Parks which will be clear below when you see her earlier interview before autopsy report released.

There's also this from first video link,
Host: "The autopsy is now showing he was shot from the front, not the back."
Piaget: "Exactly."
Host: "Does that square with what you saw???"
Piaget: "Definately."

So Piaget is not saying, "No, I definately saw brown hit from "back to front". She interrupts the Host to change her story as quick as possible,...oh yea yea yea, that "exactly, definately".

Place this vs her account in the second video link (a later date).

Here is her early account,
2:20

Doesn't note the arm at all, just Wilson got out and shot him (MB) down. Oh, don't forget, this account (Aug 13) was before the autopsy was released. Then revisit how her account changed in later interviews after autopsy report is released and she mentions the arm wound when MB running away and then rushes to change story when host says shots were from front (does that square,...exactly, definately). Piaget is being used, whoever is using her knows that she's trashed for a court case with every new interview she gives, yet she's out giving interview after interview.

So to clear this up, she's not valuable for a court case (accountable truth), she's valuable for something else (ability to lie without shame on something this important to a mans life). This is why she can keep going out and changing her story, she won't be used in court with any significance (trust me, the people using her know this otherwise she'd be told to be quiet).

Molding what she's saying to what is presented to her. If you've watched her she's also evolved the tussle at the car from Wilson pulling MB in to more of just a struggle.

The pulling in Piaget uses was taken from DJ account. More molding. Witness Brady account came out later indicating Brown punching into car, then Piaget evolves her story into struggle at the car instead of MB being pulled in.

See here for her early on account.
2:40
"it was just Michael trying to get away and the police wouldn't let him" (Aug 13)
she also says she hears shots at the car struggle here (plural)

vs, now that Brady account is out (sometime after Aug 13 Brady account lands)

1:10
"it just looks like they were wrestling" (at the window)

She's not telling the truth, she's drawing from information around her and filling in a story. Fine for us to do here, it's very shameful for someone to use public view of her importance to warp information as she does (she's not an eyewitness, or she's not telling the truth), but she's using a belief from others that she's telling the truth in order to gain capital in her lies. With her looks plus that ability, she could knock em dead as a politician. She is also well spoken, definite threat as a morally bankrupt politician given folks don't care about their team lying or having poor morals.


The other young girl eyewitness Mitchell, I haven't evaluated her in depth, but she appears at least more serious/genuine in her account.

Neither of the girls match up with "ok ok ok ok" from contractors, and the girls + DJ + contractors all are different on MB's verbal words at turn around point.


As for tragedy in the case, one left to tick off is if Wilson is innocent here. If he's guilty he deserves what's going on and more, if he is innocent?....

If DW is guilty the system will get him and it will happen independently of CNN and it's ilks reports, so this begs the question, what exactly is CNN and others doing here with presuming so heavily guilt and disseminating this across the country? One lurking threat here is that if DW is innocent, he could be any of us in a different scenario later in our lives.

So for your sake, my sake, we better hope he is not innocent. Because his life is ruined and he will never really be safe now.

 

[Attic]

Piaget's first known video. Keep in mind she was allegedly on her balcony while she witnessed this, roughly 50ft-75ft from MB body.

Here Same day and shortly after the incident. A lot of info there, if she's important to an understanding of the case (in any light) worth watching a few times to see what's going on as this thing explodes from that point in time on out.

Piaget: Everyone is extremely mad at this, this is another Trayvon Martin story. A young man died before his time because of brutality from a different race. Its racial profiling.

So to be clear, her mind is made up very early and it's racial. And she's knows this how?

Prejudice based on race.... Ever wonder what the actual true effect of racism in this case has been? Ever revisit how the true voice of racism played into the GZ case and where that racism was free to be displayed based on whom it was directed at? Isn't making GZ into a racist when he was not, racism? Isn't making anyone/anything into racism when it is not, a form of racism? What is Piaget doing here?, id say simply what she's learned is tolerated, racism. Lets start calling this shit what it is. DW engaged MB and DJ initially not because they were walking in the middle of the street, it was because they were black..... Can't let this kind of infectious racism be permitted just because of the horrible history of the country on race relations. The country and press will need to start calling all forms of racism out to indicate it's not going to pass.

The note of Trayvon Martin (though Piaget might as well be standing on her head as she details how things "really" are) is eerie, the similarities as we have seen are here in Mike Brown case as well. Piaget did not help herself by revealing that comment.


Also watch that video from the 1:00 to about 1:40 a few times until it clicks. She unknowingly (to herself in realtime) falls into revealing she's only retelling what's she's HEARD about the incident. Where does the half truths and lies stop and the actual truth begin, if at all? Not court material, so it's clear given what's she's doing, she's there to stir the pot.



Keep it in mind as she changes her story to evolve with new information that comes out. She's a bad actor.

Transcripts of her interviews.

http://truth007seeker.wordpress.com/tag/piaget-crenshaw/

 

[soundforbjt]

Piaget's first known video. Keep in mind she was allegedly on her balcony while she witnessed this, roughly 50ft-75ft from MB body.

Here Same day and shortly after the incident. A lot of info there, if she's important to an understanding of the case (in any light) worth watching a few times to see what's going on as this thing explodes from that point in time on out.




So to be clear, her mind is made up very early and it's racial. And she's knows this how?

Prejudice based on race.... Ever wonder what the actual true effect of racism in this case has been? Ever revisit how the true voice of racism played into the GZ case and where that racism was free to be displayed based on whom it was directed at? Isn't making GZ into a racist when he was not, racism? Isn't making anyone/anything into racism when it is not, a form of racism? What is Piaget doing here?, id say simply what she's learned is tolerated, racism. Lets start calling this shit what it is. DW engaged MB and DJ initially not because they were walking in the middle of the street, it was because they were black..... Can't let this kind of infectious racism be permitted just because of the horrible history of the country on race relations. The country and press will need to start calling all forms of racism out to indicate it's not going to pass.

The note of Trayvon Martin (though Piaget might as well be standing on her head as she details how things "really" are) is eerie, the similarities as we have seen are here in Mike Brown case as well. Piaget did not help herself by revealing that comment.


Also watch that video from the 1:00 to about 1:40 a few times until it clicks. She unknowingly (to herself in realtime) falls into revealing she's only retelling what's she's HEARD about the incident. Where does the half truths and lies stop and the actual truth begin, if at all? Not court material, so it's clear given what's she's doing, she's there to stir the pot.



Keep it in mind as she changes her story to evolve with new information that comes out. She's a bad actor.

Transcripts of her interviews.

http://truth007seeker.wordpress.com/tag/piaget-crenshaw/

You're reading way too much CTH for your info, they need to change the name to Conspiracy Tree House. They've seriously got some crazy shit on there. I saw some nuts list of 20 or 50 ways this case is like the TM case??? Really?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

In many ways it's like the TM case and I think just like the TM case there's going to be many butthurt people in here when it's shown the officer acted appropriately in this case.

 

[soundforbjt]

In many ways it's like the TM case and I think just like the TM case there's going to be many butthurt people in here when it's shown the officer acted appropriately in this case.

Officer's usually get off, I agree it'll be tough if it goes to trial. But In the ACTUAL case itself, there is little to compare to the TM case. You can argue media reaction, lawyers, etc. but that does not involve the actual case/what occurred.

 

[Attic]

You're reading way too much CTH for your info, they need to change the name to Conspiracy Tree House. They've seriously got some crazy shit on there. I saw some nuts list of 20 or 50 ways this case is like the TM case??? Really?

Are you serious? Glad we cleared up the charging nonsense, but now this? Your approach at addressing info is pretty indirect.

Care to address anything directly from the post you quoted? None of it from CTH, see links, it's just Piaget video and transcripts. You didn't address her clear evolution of her story coinciding with released information. Failed to address her odd remarks detailing a story from second hand info up to the point where MB is already running away from Wilson's vehicle. How does stuff like this square with your thinking on the case and Piaget's honesty/integrity in what she's taking part in.


I get you think CTH has no good info, don't use me as a proxy to attack CTH, take it up directly with their content and quote appropriately.


Also if you don't see numerous similarities between this case and the TM case, you are doing it wrong.

 

[Attic]

Officer's usually get off, I agree it'll be tough if it goes to trial. But In the ACTUAL case itself, there is little to compare to the TM case. You can argue media reaction, lawyers, etc. but that does not involve the actual case/what occurred.

Don't move goalposts.

Obviously the incidents include media reaction, lawyers, public reaction, ect, and the incident itself as perceived through the prism of race and other by various interested parties (public, sharpton, jackson, media ect). Sounds like you agree though and are just moving goalposts, again.

 

[soundforbjt]

Are you serious? Glad we cleared up the charging nonsense, but now this? Your approach at addressing info is pretty indirect.

Care to address anything directly from the post you quoted? None of it from CTH, see links, it's just Piaget video and transcripts. You didn't address her clear evolution of her story coinciding with released information. Failed to address her odd remarks detailing a story from second hand info up to the point where MB is already running away from Wilson's vehicle. How does stuff like this square with your thinking on the case and Piaget's honesty/integrity in what she's taking part in.


I get you think CTH has no good info, don't use me as a proxy to attack CTH, take it up directly with their content and quote appropriately.


Also if you don't see numerous similarities between this case and the TM case, you are doing it wrong.

I wasn't using the link to make my point of you relying too much on CTH, Please point out the similarities in the actual case for me, not using things the media did or lawyers, etc. The actual case itself.

 

[Attic]

I wasn't using the link to make my point of you relying too much on CTH, Please point out the similarities in the actual case for me, not using things the media did or lawyers, etc. The actual case itself.

That's not how this works, your MO is to redraw lines wherever you need in order to butt out stuff you don't like and wrap around your moving target. It's a weakness, it doesn't indicate you have valid points.


If you are not trolling, and are actually this stupid or intellectually dishonet 🙂|), try reading the last series of posts a few more times.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Officer's usually get off, I agree it'll be tough if it goes to trial. But In the ACTUAL case itself, there is little to compare to the TM case. You can argue media reaction, lawyers, etc. but that does not involve the actual case/what occurred.

The media and lawyer are what makes it exactly like the TM case. Media shaping/selling a line of BS that idiots lap up like a thirsty dog and that very same lawyers that "just need an arrest".

 

[soundforbjt]

That's not how this works, your MO is to redraw lines wherever you need in order to butt out stuff you don't like and wrap around your moving target. It's a weakness, it doesn't indicate you have valid points.


If you are not trolling, and are actually this stupid or intellectually dishonet 🙂|), try reading the last series of posts a few more times.

I didn't make the claim the cases were similar in any way, I only pointed out the CTH's conspiracy similarities post, you and Londo made the claim the cases were similar in many ways. Back up your claim or admit you're falling for the conspiracies presented by CTH because they support your bias.

 

[soundforbjt]

Piaget's first known video. Keep in mind she was allegedly on her balcony while she witnessed this, roughly 50ft-75ft from MB body.

Here Same day and shortly after the incident. A lot of info there, if she's important to an understanding of the case (in any light) worth watching a few times to see what's going on as this thing explodes from that point in time on out.




So to be clear, her mind is made up very early and it's racial. And she's knows this how?

Prejudice based on race.... Ever wonder what the actual true effect of racism in this case has been? Ever revisit how the true voice of racism played into the GZ case and where that racism was free to be displayed based on whom it was directed at? Isn't making GZ into a racist when he was not, racism? Isn't making anyone/anything into racism when it is not, a form of racism? What is Piaget doing here?, id say simply what she's learned is tolerated, racism. Lets start calling this shit what it is. DW engaged MB and DJ initially not because they were walking in the middle of the street, it was because they were black..... Can't let this kind of infectious racism be permitted just because of the horrible history of the country on race relations. The country and press will need to start calling all forms of racism out to indicate it's not going to pass.

The note of Trayvon Martin (though Piaget might as well be standing on her head as she details how things "really" are) is eerie, the similarities as we have seen are here in Mike Brown case as well. Piaget did not help herself by revealing that comment.


Also watch that video from the 1:00 to about 1:40 a few times until it clicks. She unknowingly (to herself in realtime) falls into revealing she's only retelling what's she's HEARD about the incident. Where does the half truths and lies stop and the actual truth begin, if at all? Not court material, so it's clear given what's she's doing, she's there to stir the pot.



Keep it in mind as she changes her story to evolve with new information that comes out. She's a bad actor.

Transcripts of her interviews.

http://truth007seeker.wordpress.com/tag/piaget-crenshaw/

Zimmerman's best friend and avid spokesperson during his case, Frank Taffe came out recently and said GZ absolutely racially profiled TM and now believes GZ should have been convicted.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Imagine that Frank Taffe needed to make more money so he claimed something after the fact. This doesn't change the fact that TM assaulted GZ and that's what led to his own death.

 

[cubby1223]

Zimmerman's best friend and avid spokesperson during his case, Frank Taffe came out recently and said GZ absolutely racially profiled TM and now believes GZ should have been convicted.

What exactly should he have been convicted of? Profiling is not a crime for a civilian. Nor is defending oneself when getting the shit beat out of you.