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Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

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Jaskalas said:
There are no marks on the backside, the side facing the officer while running away. His right arm was hit multiple times, but not in the back indicating none of those made contact while his arms were up.

Nothing is consistent with the idea that he was shot while running. Nor while his arms were up.

I'm trying to grasp at how we would convict the officer.
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Cuz he was white and a police officer? <to many that would be more than enough to convict him, regardless of the facts of the case>


HomerJS said:
Multiple eye witnesses have said MBs hands were up in the surrender position.

If you feel all the witnesses are lying and the cops are being 100% truthful that is your choice.
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You can scroll back and read all of my posts in this thread and you can see that I have NOT say anything about the guilt or innocent of the officer. I was poking fun at statements/beliefs taken in as facts by the community as MB did not do anything but was gun down like animal, MB was a nice kid that was about to start college soon and so on. We all know now that those statements/beliefs are not true.

From the autopsy report, the facts back up the officer (so far). We will have to wait and see for more to come out later.


He says, she says.....and the truth is somewhere in between.
 
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xBiffx said:
Having charges is a start. A trial would be the next step. But I'm willing to bet that criminal charges aren't even going to happen based on the evidence.
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Well yeah there is that detail, however that doesn't mean an end if the evidence isn't sufficient. Holder will work up to a civil rights violation in all probability.
 
Jaskalas said:
There are no marks on the backside, the side facing the officer while running away. His right arm was hit multiple times, but not in the back indicating none of those made contact while his arms were up.

Nothing is consistent with the idea that he was shot while running. Nor while his arms were up.

I'm trying to grasp at how we would convict the officer.
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Yet it looks like at least one shot could have come from behind. The hit to the arm and the hand. I don't think anyone was saying he was shot 6 times while running away. It was he was trying to run away, then being shot or shot at he stopped and turned around. Then the officer continued to shoot and kill him.

I wouldn't put much weight in the witnesses unless it's the thing all agree with. Memory isn't a video camera and can make things up so you believe something happened that didn't happen.

These are not the final results, we will get more information so I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.

If these police had cameras it would already be resolved.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Well yeah there is that detail, however that doesn't mean an end if the evidence isn't sufficient. Holder will work up to a civil rights violation in all probability.
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I heard about civil rights charges being brought up pretty much the day after the shooting. I still laugh. Of course the cop violated the thugs civil rights. What is killing someone if not the ultimate violation of their civil rights. One problem though, sometimes its justified to violate someone else's rights.
 
If you look at the shot to the arm, standing up with arms down it would be facing backwards. Otherwise if facing forward it would look like you would have to have hands up at least to chest level.
 
HomerJS said:
Multiple eye witnesses have said MBs hands were up in the surrender position.

If you feel all the witnesses are lying and the cops are being 100% truthful that is your choice.
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The problem is that other witnesses never saw the hands up in the surrender position. They said he charged and went down while charging. There is so much conflicting stuff out there that it is hard to know what the actual truth is.

If the 6'4", 300 lb "gentle giant" was bumrushing the cop, then the shooting was probably legit. Of course it is impossible at this time to say that he was actually charging the cops. The evidence provided thus far has been crap.
 
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bshole said:
The problem is that other witnesses never saw the hands up in the surrender position. They said he charged and went down while charging. There is so much conflicting stuff out there that it is hard to know what the actual truth is.

If the 6'4", 300 lb "gentle giant" was bumrushing the cop, then the shooting was probably legit. Of course it is impossible at this time to say that he was actually charging the cops. The evidence provided thus far has been crap.
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I have yet to see any witness interviewed that said MB was charging. Got a link?

Paiget Crenshaw gave a media interview Mon-Tue after shooting. She MB had his hands up in surrender.
 
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Draw the timeline of events.

Is the cop a monster or not? To match the story of brown murdered in cold blood he has to be. Officer shooting fatally an unarmed man with his hands up. Sorry hard to believe, making the cop a monster is a requirement to believe that.

The eyewitness account of Brown charging the officer while the shots were fired makes the most sense right now. The fatal shots to the head are questionable IMO. Was that warranted in the situation of Brown charging the officer?

If the cop is a monster, he's guilty. Of course. The monster part should be result of the evidence, not a way to manipulate evidence.
 
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Londo_Jowo said:
Listen to this video. One of the people speaking in the background clearly state MB was charging the officer when he was shot, no mention of having his hands up surrendering either.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168...tail-background-video-mins-ferguson-shooting/
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Inconclusive if "coming back towards him" means charging him.

In a longer version of this clip around the 9:30 mark someone in background said
"What did he do?" (meaning MB)

If MB actually charged the cop it would have been obvious.
 
HomerJS said:
Inconclusive if "coming back towards him" means charging him.

In a longer version of this clip around the 9:30 mark someone in background said
"What did he do?" (meaning MB)

If MB actually charged the cop it would have been obvious.
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The breakdown of logic here is clear.

"What did he do", obviously came from someone who didn't see what happened.

The important part is not, "what did he do". The important part should be self evident. The part where an eyewitness describes Brown charging the officer.
 
HomerJS said:
Inconclusive if "coming back towards him" means charging him.

In a longer version of this clip around the 9:30 mark someone in background said
"What did he do?" (meaning MB)

If MB actually charged the cop it would have been obvious.
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I think that if Brown was running towards Wilson when Wilson dropped him, we might have abrasions on Brown from sliding forward on the pavement.
 
Attic said:
Draw the timeline of events.

Is the cop a monster or not? To match the story of brown murdered in cold blood he has to be. Officer shooting fatally an unarmed man with his hands up. Sorry hard to believe, making the cop a monster is a requirement to believe that.

The eyewitness account of Brown charging the officer while the shots were fired makes the most sense right now. The fatal shots to the head are questionable IMO. Was that warranted in the situation of Brown charging the officer?

If the cop is a monster, he's guilty. Of course. The monster part should be result of the evidence, not a way to manipulate evidence.
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Now you are just making things up, trying to make him out to be a good person or monster. It's not black and white. He could have been charging, he could have been surrendering the officer could have calmly shot him down, he could have been in a rage after the confrontation,... How someone reacts in a situation like this doesn't make them a good person or monster.

He may regret what he did afterward, just as others who commit murder may regret what they did afterward.
 
HomerJS said:
Inconclusive if "coming back towards him" means charging him.

In a longer version of this clip around the 9:30 mark someone in background said
"What did he do?" (meaning MB)

If MB actually charged the cop it would have been obvious.
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Seems to me like "coming back towards him" and "charging him" is merely a question of how rapid the approach was.

Pro-tip: If a cop has a gun pointed at you do not move toward him(no matter how slowly), especially if you have already made clear you are threat.
 
Attic said:
The breakdown of logic here is clear.

"What did he do", obviously came from someone who didn't see what happened.

The important part is not, "what did he do". The important part should be self evident. The part where an eyewitness describes Brown charging the officer.
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I didn't hear the word charging. Timestamp it so I can listen again.
 
Paul98 said:
He may regret what he did afterward, just as others who commit murder may regret what they did afterward.
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When someone takes the life of another they are rarely unaffected. That it's justified or even necessary does not mean that it's done without regret.
 
row said:
lying liars gonna lie - autopsy shows all 6 hits were from the front
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Eyewitness testimony is some of the least reliable there is under the best of circumstances. And the credibility of a lot of the witnesses in this case seems less than great.
 
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