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Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

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I think the best way to handle this situation is to give the protesters what they want and this will keep them from shooting rockets, oops I mean rocks and Molotov cocktails into civilian places. I think we should negotiate with them, perhaps ask for a 2 or 3 day cease fire, and when they break the cease fire and hurt more people, we should just ignore it and ask for another cease fire. We can do this over and over and over again so that world opinion will be on our side. Yes, we are killing civilians in Ferguson MO including women and children. This is wrong on so many levels and the world opinion will not like us for it. We need to stop it immediately and give the protesters what they want. Don't we look good now!!!
 
Abwx said:
The policeman created the confrontation out of thin air...
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1) Robbery
2) Jaywalking

To say he started it out of thin air is to argue against enforcing the law. I WILL agree that he did it wrong by driving up next to them. Beginning a confrontation point blank is REALLY stupid. Yet, maybe he didn't expect to get beatdown in broad daylight.

Abwx said:
and once the things started to escalate just a little he knew he had a pretense to act lethaly, he made sure the guy couldnt testimony in a court by making sure that he wouldnt escape death, hence the six bullets...
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Officers are trained to escalate to deadly force. That's why they carry a gun. That's not unique to this officer.

Abwx said:
This so called policeman is a criminal thug in disguise.
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Given the conflicting testimony and no shots to the back... really begs the question of what happened, and I don't know exactly how it went down but it certainly wasn't in cold blood.
 
Raizinman said:
I think the best way to handle this situation is to give the protesters what they want and this will keep them from shooting rockets, oops I mean rocks and Molotov cocktails into civilian places. I think we should negotiate with them, perhaps ask for a 2 or 3 day cease fire, and when they break the cease fire and hurt more people, we should just ignore it and ask for another cease fire. We can do this over and over and over again so that world opinion will be on our side. Yes, we are killing civilians in Ferguson MO including women and children. This is wrong on so many levels and the world opinion will not like us for it. We need to stop it immediately and give the protesters what they want. Don't we look good now!!!
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Can't we just negotiate with rims? It seems from the looting, that's all they really want.
 
TechBoyJK said:
So based on the facts as I see them, the small white cop is the victim of an assault by a big crazy black guy and the cop killed (did not murder) the assailant in self defense.

Case closed?
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The case isn't closed because all we have are disparate and contradictory details. It may be that "the big crazy black guy" really assaulted the officer, then again it could be that the latter acted improperly and killed without provocation.

What we really know is that we really don't know. That's why I'm voicing my condemnation of those who have already determined the cop is a killer. Yes he killed, but that is not automatically the same thing.

But case closed? No. If it should happen that deadly force was inappropriately used then the dead man and his family deserve justice. That requires careful inspection to ascertain particulars to determine intent. Is it as some say a willful killing? Was it a mistake in judgment resulting in tragedy? We need to know much more before deciding on guilt and punishment.

There are racist cops. There are those who abuse their authority. There are black thugs, and on and on. One can attribute any bad quality to anyone and then tack that on to some attribute, whether it be race, profession, pretty much whatever. But does doing so make it true? By no means. Each person is him or herself and while background and history influence, they cannot be uses as an excuse to permit or mitigate the harm of another. No. When we collectively realize that I believe we'll be better off, but given the track record of humanity now and in the past I'm not convinced we'll tolerate it. Oh, we'll pretend, but give up irrational hate and bloodlust? I have my doubts.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Is it as some say a willful killing?
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Six bullets, that s a lot, we know that the first ones were not lethal, wasnt it enough to stop the guy..?.

You mean that with two or three bullets on an arm and another one on the corpse one is still in situation to be a threat such that two other bullets on the face are necessary..??.

A few hours after this event the police chief said that two bullets but not a lot much were fired, now we know that it s a least six, all this with a late autopsy, that s a lot of things that sound like a willfull coverage...
 
Abwx said:
Six bullets, that s a lot, we know that the first ones were not lethal, wasnt it enough to stop the guy..?.

You mean that with two or three bullets on an arm and another one on the corpse one is still in situation to be a threat such that two other bullets on the face are necessary..??.

A few hours after this event the police chief said that two bullets but not a lot much were fired, now we know that it s a least six, all this with a late autopsy, that s a lot of things that sound like a willfull coverage...
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Thinking cops aren't trained for "Just enough." If they shoot, expect the full mag.
 
Abwx said:
Six bullets, that s a lot, we know that the first ones were not lethal, wasnt it enough to stop the guy..?.

You mean that with two or three bullets on an arm and another one on the corpse one is still in situation to be a threat such that two other bullets on the face are necessary..??.

A few hours after this event the police chief said that two bullets but not a lot much were fired, now we know that it s a least six, all this with a late autopsy, that s a lot of things that sound like a willfull coverage...
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The police keep firing until the threat stops. Wilson would keep firing until Brown dropped. That is correct and normal procedure. If it takes 4, 6, 8, or 15 bullets, that's what it takes.

The chief said two at the car, and a few more, iirc.

The official autopsy was completed long ago. The Grand Jury has it.

This autopsy is a private one. It has nothing to do with the legal case at all. It was done after the official autopsy was completed and the body returned to the family.
 
highland145 said:
Thinking cops aren't trained for "Just enough." If they shoot, expect the full mag.
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Put an arm in front of your face as a protection and compare with the drawing below.

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Abwx said:
Put an arm in front of your face as a protection and compare with the drawing below.

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Cannot be.

No exit wounds on the back of the arm. We would have matching holes on both sides of the arm. We don't.

No exit wounds on the back of the hands, either.

No way the hands were put in front to protect.

Unless the drawing is way off.
 
Abwx said:
Put an arm in front of your face as a protection and compare with the drawing below.
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And that has nothing to do with cops firing multiple rounds.

Example. NSFW video

A lawyer for the Duenez family released the dash-cam police video of the shooting this week. The video shows all of the interaction between Moody and Ernest in front of the house and the aftermath of the fatal shooting, including Ernest’s wife, Whitney, running out from the home toward her husband and screaming.
Ernest was a parole at large with a lengthy criminal history, including seven felony convictions. When Officer Moody started his shift, he was informed that Ernest was wanted and considered armed and dangerous, the report said.
Moody positioned himself near Ernest’s residence at 242 Flores Avenue on the day of the shooting and pulled in behind a blue pickup truck that Ernest was in, riding in the back “jump” seat.

As Moody approached the truck, he reportedly ordered Ernest not to move four times, but Ernest continued to exit the truck. Moody yelled “Hands up! Hands up Ernie! Don’t you move! Ernie, don’t you move or I’ll shoot you! Hands up! Drop the knife now!” Ernest was armed with a knife and when he turned toward Moody after jumping to the ground, the officer feared for his safety and fired his service weapon 13 times, hitting him with 11, the report states. A knife was recovered in the back of the pickup.
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LTC8K6 said:
Cannot be.

No exit wounds on the back of the arm. We would have matching holes on both sides of the arm. We don't.

No exit wounds on the back of the hands, either.

No way the hands were put in front to protect.

Unless the drawing is way off.
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So you mean the hands were in front to charge as in attack the officer? Well we all say things that can't be proven in hopes it will get to the jury and influence them to give a verdict that you want whether or not it's a false verdict. In the U.S. and all over the world.
 
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PlanetJosh said:
So you mean the hands were in front to charge as in attack the officer? Well we all say things that can't be proven in hopes it will get to the jury and influence them to give a verdict that you want whether or not it's a false verdict. In the U.S. and all over the world.
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When I run, my hands are partially in front of my torso approximately 50% of the time as my arms move back and forth while bent.

Perhaps you run without using your arms?

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If Brown was running away, why shoot at him?
If he turned around and surrendered, why shoot him?
If he turned around and started running towards the officer (charged him), why would he have his hands up?

The shots to his arms are critical. We need to understand exactly how they got there.

If his arms were up, those bullet holes would be in a different location than if he was running towards the officer.
 
Jaskalas said:
If Brown was running, why shoot at him?
If he turned around and surrendered, why shoot him?
If he turned around and started running towards the officer (charged him), why would he have his hands up?

The shots to his arms are critical. We need to understand exactly how they got there.

If his arms were up, those bullet holes would be in a different location than if he was running towards the officer.
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If Baden could tell that Brown's hands were up, he'd have said so.
 
Abwx said:
Six bullets, that s a lot, we know that the first ones were not lethal, wasnt it enough to stop the guy..?.

You mean that with two or three bullets on an arm and another one on the corpse one is still in situation to be a threat such that two other bullets on the face are necessary..??.

A few hours after this event the police chief said that two bullets but not a lot much were fired, now we know that it s a least six, all this with a late autopsy, that s a lot of things that sound like a willfull coverage...
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As I say it may be as heinous as you insist, but tell me this- what is your level of expertise in combat situations? Let's assume for the moment that you personally find yourself in a situation where you feel the need to use deadly force is necessary. You aren't on the range, instead you have a target moving somewhat unpredictably. You should also know that real live people don't just fall down and die like the movies. Some will drop, but anyone who lived through arm conflict can tell you that a hit with a small caliber firearm doesn't always stop someone. Quite the contrary there are situations where it's taken more firepower than was expended in this case. Real live people don't fall down like you want them to. Is that what happened? I don't know. Neither do you. We need to wait and see. If it turns out that what you seemingly require is entirely correct, that this is some monster who preyed on the dead man, then let justice be done on him. Otherwise save the noose for the time being.
 
Abwx said:
No trace of gun powder on his clothes, wich point to shots being fired at some distance...
But anyway, six bullets, two on the face with the last one being deadly, i guess that he really wanted to kill him.
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NO NO NO. If you read the article on the autopsy performed by the independent medical examiner, you'll note that he did not have access to the clothing to determine whether or not any of the shots were close or not.

Secondly, police shoot to kill. Period.
 
LTC8K6 said:
When I run, my hands are partially in front of my torso approximately 50% of the time as my arms move back and forth while bent.

Perhaps you run without using your arms?

http://www.oneclickroot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/runner-2.jpg
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Do you run with your head parallel to the ground as well? I'm having a very hard time reconciling your claims when I see a bullet entering the top of his head and exiting through his eye. At 6.4 he would have to be bent over and a greater than 90 degree angle for that to be possible. They are also indicating they believe a bullet entered at his eye, exited the base of his face and reentered his upper chest.

Also you are assuming an awful lot. There were 3 bullets removed from his body. Location unknown. It's quite possible his hands were up and a bullet grazed his palm. It's possible one of the bullets was lodged at the base of his thumb and wrist where the wound is indicated.

Also almost all of the woulda indicate are on the inner arm. That is quite explainable by someone's arms raised where the inner arms would be facing forward.

Do I know any if that to be the case? No. And I won't assume anything to tell what happened. It doesn't.
 
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