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HomerJS

HomerJS

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HomerJS said:
What part of "from his point of view" do you fail to comprehend.

A complete stranger backed up his story and the police today have just gotten around to contacting the closest witness. He was offered up to the police for his story 36 hours ago. Seems this is the most important witness. What are the cops up to?

I've listened to him tell the story many times and a lot of details are included leading me to believe he is not making it up.
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Police to date have failed to interview ANY eyewitnesses.

Suspicious and unprofessional
 
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cubby1223

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Maybe the police haven't gotten around to interviews yet because they are too busy helping out all the victims of the riots?

No, the race to form the quickest judgment and bond together in angry mobs, is totally the best thing we can do in these situations.

We may be right, we may not be right, but we're clocking in some damn quality bonding time! Al Sharpton is using us as free labor to shore up his own image and his own finances?
 
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HomerJS

HomerJS

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cubby1223 said:
Good enough for internet outrage.

Rage on, good sir, rage on!
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So its good investigative work not to interview the eyewitness who was around 10-20' from the deceased?

As I stated prior Dorian Johnson offered himself up days ago for an official statement. I suspect the police are formulating their cover story instead of getting to the bottom of this case. You have better reason other then some rhetorical bullshit lets hear it.

In a few days when local law enforcement gets around to doing their job or the Feds start interviewing people like you will accuse the witnesses of collusion because of the time that has elapsed.

Listening to their accounts to reporters in the first 24 hours you know that's not the case.

Girl on balcony supports Johnsons statement.
 
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cubby1223

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HomerJS said:
So its good investigative work not to interview the eyewitness who was around 10-20' from the deceased?

As I stated prior Dorian Johnson offered himself up days ago for an official statement. I suspect the police are formulating their cover story instead of getting to the bottom of this case. You have better reason other then some rhetorical bullshit lets hear it.

In a few days when local law enforcement gets around to doing their job or the Feds start interviewing people like you will accuse the witnesses of collusion because of the time that has elapsed.

Listening to their accounts to reporters in the first 24 hours you know that's not the case.

Girl on balcony supports Johnsons statement.
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Hmm, taking action when there is a riled up mob, versus letting things cool off a bit?

Let's totally take the chances with the riled up mob! We can't have people across the internet outraged!


You are the one who has his mind made up. You're looking at the situation under the assumption that your judgment is the right judgment.

I'm looking at the situation as I have no personal involvement, I'm fine letting the case figure itself out over the next days, weeks, months, I don't care. I'm not pissed off at the edge of my seat waiting for a judgment. There is no benefit to me making an early judgment call. There is no downside to me not making an early judgment call. Well, no downside other than witnessing your anger. Which, I don't care how angry you get.
 
werepossum

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You aren't very bright are you? I guess this means we are all criminals then. I mean, I know people who receive cash all the time and don't report it to the IRS, trades people and servers. I never turned them in, I must be a criminal too.

Its lies and misinformation that make people think that cops are not the authority, and then people do stupid things and get hurt, thrown in jail, or killed. Obey the cops, and live another day. And no, the majority are not crooked.
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Apparently everyone is a criminal except the people looting the stores of people who are absolutely unconnected to either side here.

SheHateMe said:
Oh really? So you don't remember the Vancouver riots?

riot5.jpg


There's quite a few who have yet to be identified. https://riot2011.vpd.ca/
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Well, yeah, but they had a good reason, like "My team lost!"

Or "My team won!" It can be difficult to tell the difference.

DrPizza said:
Why? He did a pretty good job, especially getting the social media to be very anti-Zimmerman, effectively ruining Zimmerman's life. All the real evidence pointed to a clear case of self-defense, yet at least the trial in the public eye seemed to have the opposite outcome of the trial based on facts. I would think that in the present case, it's not a matter of trying to convict an innocent man; it's more of a slam dunk case. He was a reasonable distance away from the officer when shot.
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I tend to believe that if you attack a cop and try to get his weapon, you don't get a free pass just by turning and running if you fail. Biggest problem I have is that it's easy to claim, especially if there is some sort of scuffle. "Just trying to get away" can easily become "trying to get my weapon" if the heat of the moment fades and you've just shot someone dead.
 
ch33zw1z

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werepossum said:
I tend to believe that if you attack a cop and try to get his weapon, you don't get a free pass just by turning and running if you fail. Biggest problem I have is that it's easy to claim, especially if there is some sort of scuffle. "Just trying to get away" can easily become "trying to get my weapon" if the heat of the moment fades and you've just shot someone dead.
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Even cop killers get a trial, so you need to elaborate. Scuffle with cop, you may or may not being going for his gun, he says you did, but you're dead and unable to defend yourself. Good shoot, end of story.... Nobody in here that I've seen has advocated for a free pass, for either side of the situation.
 
HomerJS

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cubby1223 said:
Hmm, taking action when there is a riled up mob, versus letting things cool off a bit?

Let's totally take the chances with the riled up mob! We can't have people across the internet outraged!


You are the one who has his mind made up. You're looking at the situation under the assumption that your judgment is the right judgment.

I'm looking at the situation as I have no personal involvement, I'm fine letting the case figure itself out over the next days, weeks, months, I don't care. I'm not pissed off at the edge of my seat waiting for a judgment. There is no benefit to me making an early judgment call. There is no downside to me not making an early judgment call. Well, no downside other than witnessing your anger. Which, I don't care how angry you get.
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I haven't come to any conclusions about the case I'm just commenting on things that have occurred to date. In any crime scene evidence is gathered as soon as possible. As opposed making snide comments about riots that have nothing to do with what happened.

Since the closest eyewitness has offered himself up there no reason why that interview couldn't have been conducted at a neutral site. After all they are not done in the street.
 
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HomerJS said:
I haven't come to any conclusions about the case I'm just commenting on things that have occurred to date. In any crime scene evidence is gathered as soon as possible. As opposed making snide comments about riots that have nothing to do with what happened.

Since the closest eyewitness has offered himself up there no reason why that interview couldn't have been conducted at a neutral site. After all they are not done in the street.
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Where is your proof that they didn't collect any and all evidence from the crime scene. Or were you just laying out the general investigation flow?

There are plenty of reasons. Safety of the witness, as well as safety of the police officers/detectives conducting the interview. It would be rather difficult to conceal the location of the interview as its likely going to be conducted at one of only a few police stations in Furgeson. These people are rioting without rhyme or reason, its probably best not to give them one, i.e. a target.

Of course this completely ignores the FBI investigation that is pending. I am sure there is some cooperation going on between the PD and the FBI in regards to the investigation, including interviewing witnesses.

You may not have come to conclusions about the case but you sure seem to have come to some regarding its investigation. Give it time, let things chill. The PD has their hands full right now and I'm sure even detectives aren't immune to what's going on.
 
HomerJS

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xBiffx said:
Where is your proof that they didn't collect any and all evidence from the crime scene. Or were you just laying out the general investigation flow?

There are plenty of reasons. Safety of the witness, as well as safety of the police officers/detectives conducting the interview. It would be rather difficult to conceal the location of the interview as its likely going to be conducted at one of only a few police stations in Furgeson. These people are rioting without rhyme or reason, its probably best not to give them one, i.e. a target.

Of course this completely ignores the FBI investigation that is pending. I am sure there is some cooperation going on between the PD and the FBI in regards to the investigation, including interviewing witnesses.

You may not have come to conclusions about the case but you sure seem to have come to some regarding its investigation. Give it time, let things chill. The PD has their hands full right now and I'm sure even detectives aren't immune to what's going on.
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Never said no evidence was collected in fact they have shell casings. In this instance obtaining an official statement from the closest eye-witness would be in the top 3 things to collect.

Dorian Johnson stated last night he has not been contacted and that was also reported this morning.
 
Jaskalas

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It was a busy night.

About 12:20 a.m. Wednesday, a woman was shot in the head in the 1300 block of Highmont Drive, west of West Florissant Avenue near the QuikTrip gas station, St. Louis County Police said. It appeared to be a drive-by shooting and police said they were looking for four or five men. The woman was shot once and is expected to survive. It was unknown if the shooting was related to the protests in the area.
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At about 1 a.m., a St. Louis County Police officer shot and critically wounded a man who police said pointed a handgun at the officer
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hal2kilo

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Hate these threads with a particular theme, so I haven't read them all. I saw on the news that Crumb has been retained by the victims family. I see another endless thread in P&Ns future.
 
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unokitty said:
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Ferguson, Mo

Murica!

Uno
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I hope that lands on a cop.

WackyDan said:
Explain to me something...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ps-front-door-family-lawyer-article-1.1619842

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...d-police-iowa-state-university_n_4234039.html

And there are more where those came from.

Explain to me why certain communities choose to riot and have violence...and some don't.
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Because some communities are targeted for decades by racist cops? Are you too stupid to figure this out, or what?
In those cases, did the pig who shot those kids disappear? Was their name released? Was tear gas shot at innocent people later on?
 
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