Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

[CitizenKain]

No, with my arms bent, alternately in front of my torso and next to my torso.

The officer was aiming for center mass, and missing to his left, hitting Brown's right hand and arm, and right torso, as he ran towards him.

As Brown starts to fall, the officer was still firing, with the last two shots hitting Brown's eye and the top of his head, angled downward as Brown fell forward.

So why aren't the wounds on the other side of his arms then? Try to follow along here, but when I run, my arms cross my chest, with the back of my hands facing out. Apparently you think people run by rotating their arms so their palm is facing out.

 

[WackyDan]

Amazing there are still people that stupid in this world that believe that.


I know people really want to believe that he was charging at a cop from 35 feet away for some reason. Also his wounds are on the inside of his arm, because that's how you "charge" at someone, is with your arms turned palms out with them infront of your face.

You are implying they are inside the arm. read the autopsy report... ENTRY, REENTRY, and EXIT perforations. Digest that and see if you still think his arms could have been up in the air.

An official ME report is going to show exactly where the entry wounds occurred and where the exits where for the same wounds as well proximity.

Hell, I could posit that the wound on his hand is a grazing wound... now how did that happen if his hands were up?

 

[Attic]

He was running away, stopped, turned around and put his hands up.

This is a possible scenario.

It requires believing the officer shot 5 times into Brown, 3 to the right arm, and then two to the head while Brown stood there and physically (possible verbally) indicated he was surrendering.

 

[Svnla]

Killing someone who is surrendering is murder. It doesn't matter if MB robbed a convenience store or started a convent earlier.

So now it is MB was surrendering? Just like all shots were to his back as he ran away and fear for his life we heard so much about?

<trying.very.hard.not.to.spill.drink.onto.the.computer.from.laughter>

 

[LTC8K6]

So why aren't the wounds on the other side of his arms then? Try to follow along here, but when I run, my arms cross my chest, with the back of my hands facing out. Apparently you think people run by rotating their arms so their palm is facing out.

The autopsy does not indicate that the palm was facing out. The body is always drawn that way on an autopsy report. If the palm were facing out, we'd have an exit would drawn on the back of the hand.

The autopsy indicates that the palm was almost parallel to the line of fire.

Imagine trying to shake the officer's hand, and having the officer shoot at you.

 

[CitizenKain]

This is a possible scenario.

It requires believing the officer shot 5 times into Brown, 3 to the right arm, and then two to the head while Brown stood there and physically (possible verbally) indicated he was surrendering.

Considering that is what the witness says what happens, and the only thing saying otherwise are the same people that once assaulted a guy and fined him for bleeding on their uniforms.

 

[WackyDan]

Where is 35ft coming from? It's unlikely the officer fired six times into Brown if Brown were stationary or moving away from the officer.

Officers are trained that it takes a little over a second for a suspect to cover 21 feet. If he had already assaulted the officer as part of the story suggests and was charging him again, the officer was in the right to shoot again.

As for the rounds fired, I believe he fired more than 6 but missed a few times. I don't know what his service piece was, but one of the problems in officer involved shootings ( as well self defense when citizens shoot) is a phenom of muscle memory. If you practice with full magazines at the range you are likely to keep pulling the trigger until the weapon is empty.

 

[LTC8K6]

Considering that is what the witness says what happens, and the only thing saying otherwise are the same people that once assaulted a guy and fined him for bleeding on their uniforms.

Neither the chief, nor Wilson, were part of FPD when that happened.

 

[CitizenKain]

Neither the chief, nor Wilson, were part of FPD when that happened.

So? How many people who did that are still working for the FPD?

 

[LTC8K6]

So? How many people who did that are still working for the FPD?

What testimony do we have from officers involved in that 2009 incident?

Whatever it is, I categorically dismiss it here and now.

 

[CitizenKain]

What testimony do we have from officers involved in that 2009 incident?

Whatever it is, I categorically dismiss it here and now.

How fucking dense are you? Really.

You don't have something like that happen without an institutional breakdown in the police force's ethics.

 

[LTC8K6]

So you are going to convict Wilson because some other officers did a horrible thing in 2009?

Can we convict Brown then? He did a bad thing minutes before he was shot.

 

[Victorian Gray]

So now it is MB was surrendering? Just like all shots were to his back as he ran away and fear for his life we heard so much about?

Wonder where you heard that? I certainly haven't heard any such thing. At least not from the known witnesses

all of the witnesses that I've seen reported, including the guy who was tweeting about it live, stated that Brown had stopped, turned with hands raised and the officer continued to fire.

The witnesses all said, I believe, that while running away he flinched as if shot and stopped, raised his hands and turned to face the police officer. The flinch could easily be explained by a near miss.

"Neither woman, who gave their statements to St. Louis County police, say they saw Brown enter the vehicle.

Instead, a shot went off, then the teen broke free, and the officer got out of the vehicle in pursuit, the women said.

“I saw the police chase him … down the street and shoot him down,” Crenshaw said. Brown ran about 20 feet.

“Michael jerks his body, as if he’s been hit,” Mitchell said.

Then he faced the officer and put his hands in the air, but the officer kept firing, both women said. He sank to the pavement."

http://pix11.com/2014/08/14/crisis-...ute-police-account-of-michael-brown-shooting/

"At that point, Johnson says Brown stopped, turned with his hands up and said “I don’t have a gun, stop shooting!”

By that point, Johnson says the officer and Brown were face-to-face. The officer then fired several more shots. Johnson described watching Brown go from standing with his hands up to crumbling to the ground and curling into a fetal position."

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

 

[CitizenKain]

So you are going to convict Wilson because some other officers did a horrible thing in 2009?

Can we convict Brown then? He did a bad thing minutes before he was shot.

What I'm saying is the amount of trustworthy information you are going to get from a police force like that, especially the way they have handled this is incredibly suspect.

Wonder where you heard that? I certainly haven't heard any such thing. At least not from the known witnesses

all of the witnesses that I've seen reported, including the guy who was tweeting about it live, stated that Brown had stopped, turned with hands raised and the officer continued to fire.

The witnesses all said, I believe, that while running away he flinched as if shot and stopped, raised his hands and turned to face the police officer. The flinch could easily be explained by a near miss.

"Neither woman, who gave their statements to St. Louis County police, say they saw Brown enter the vehicle.

Instead, a shot went off, then the teen broke free, and the officer got out of the vehicle in pursuit, the women said.

&#8220;I saw the police chase him &#8230; down the street and shoot him down,&#8221; Crenshaw said. Brown ran about 20 feet.

&#8220;Michael jerks his body, as if he&#8217;s been hit,&#8221; Mitchell said.

Then he faced the officer and put his hands in the air, but the officer kept firing, both women said. He sank to the pavement."

http://pix11.com/2014/08/14/crisis-...ute-police-account-of-michael-brown-shooting/

"At that point, Johnson says Brown stopped, turned with his hands up and said &#8220;I don&#8217;t have a gun, stop shooting!&#8221;

By that point, Johnson says the officer and Brown were face-to-face. The officer then fired several more shots. Johnson described watching Brown go from standing with his hands up to crumbling to the ground and curling into a fetal position."

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

Give up, svlna isn't smart enough to understand that many words.

 

[LaserBlast]

Can you imagine how messed up this whole situation is if the reality is that Wilson nearly got killed by an extremely violent thug who had just victimized the very community which is now crying out for Wilson's blood (there was literally a chant with several people yesterday of "Who do we want?" "Darren Wilson!" "How do we want him?" "Dead!") and shot that thug while he was actively charging Wilson for another attack?

And how messed up all this rioting, looting, crying, screaming, recrimination, expense, etc. is if in addition to those facts, Wilson was absolutely heartbroken (as we've heard) over having to kill someone, even in such circumstances?

It'd be pretty perverse IMO if this guy did what he had to do to stay alive then went home and cried his eyes out for days over it, and meanwhile the country is demanding his noose size be released.

 

[Svnla]

Wonder where you heard that? I certainly haven't heard any such thing. At least not from the known witnesses

Ask and you shall receive.

After Johnson and Brown took off running, the officer shot Brown again, this time in the back, before firing several more shots at him.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-what-we-know-don't-know

He said Brown started to run and the officer pursued him, firing multiple times.

http://nypost.com/2014/08/15/police-identify-officer-in-michael-brown-shooting/

Do you want more?

 

[LTC8K6]

Listen to Johnson, don't read the transcripts.

Johnson says Brown was shot in the back.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...87/?siteID=je6NUbpObpQ-sqoUX1QUWjAkrufWCkCCJg

 

[LTC8K6]

The premise of Johnson's story is that Brown turned to surrender because he had been hit in the back.

 

[CitizenKain]

Can you imagine how messed up this whole situation is if the reality is that Wilson nearly got killed by an extremely violent thug who had just victimized the very community which is now crying out for Wilson's blood (there was literally a chant with several people yesterday of "Who do we want?" "Darren Wilson!" "How do we want him?" "Dead!") and shot that thug while he was actively charging Wilson for another attack?

I see, now its Wilson nearly got killed by Brown. Amazing the lengths you morons will go to invent a narrative.

 

[LTC8K6]

I see, now its Wilson nearly got killed by Brown. Amazing the lengths you morons will go to invent a narrative.

I don't know about that, but I do think if Brown was charging Wilson, and got to him, Johnson would have reappeared and joined in.

 

[LaserBlast]

I see, now its Wilson nearly got killed by Brown. Amazing the lengths you morons will go to invent a narrative.

Well if Brown had gotten control of Wilson's gun what do you think he would've done with it?

 

[Svnla]

Give up, svlna isn't smart enough to understand that many words.

Ah, more insult and no reply from mr. "I am such an adult".


Still no reply (Yes or No) from my post? = http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36627378&postcount=1053

Running away like a bitch, I see.


Must. Stop. Laughing. Too. Hard. 😀 x 10000000000

 

[Victorian Gray]

What I'm saying is the amount of trustworthy information you are going to get from a police force like that, especially the way they have handled this is incredibly suspect.



Give up, svlna isn't smart enough to understand that many words.

It was more just to remind everyone that there are actual, verifiable, witness statements out there.

 

[CitizenKain]

Ah, more insult and no reply from mr. "I am such an adult".


Still no reply (Yes or No) from my post? = http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36627378&postcount=1053

Running away like a bitch, I see.


Must. Stop. Laughing. Too. Hard. 😀 x 10000000000

Your English isn't good enough for me to figure out what you are asking. If you are asking does it look like Brown robbed that store? Then yes. Did a store owner shoot him? No.
Does that change anything about this? No. Are you smart enough to understand this? Of course not.
Can you maybe take some english courses? I'm sure the guys at jiffy lube will move their schedules around for you.

Well if Brown had gotten control of Wilson's gun what do you think he would've done with it?

Joined the Fantastic Four? Since he has arms that can apparently twist around a car door and reach someone's belt.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Ask and you shall receive.



http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-what-we-know-don't-know



http://nypost.com/2014/08/15/police-identify-officer-in-michael-brown-shooting/

Do you want more?

What would be the point. You just made it apparent that you are incapable of understanding the written English language.

Is it a case of it not being your first tongue?