Mississippi is even more backwards than I thought

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: palehorse74
so you're all for eliminating parents' abilities to raise their own children and make their own decisions as to how their children should be raised? the government could do it better, right?

I am for removing as much of the children's education from the hands of stupid, prudish, hyper-religious parents as possible.

If having sex-ed in 9th grade prevents 1 abortion and 1 death from HIV, the fundie tools should be f-ing extatic. Except they're not out to help people or save lives, they're out to impose their uber hypocrisy on their children. Sticking your head into the f-ing ground, and pretending that a significant percentage of 10 year old girls are entering puberty, and beginning to engage in sexual activity as early as 2 years afterwards will not save your own daughters.

So do us all a favor - if you're too cowardly to educate your own children while there's still time, let people who aren't so fearful do it. If you really love your children, as opposed to seeing them as your personal lumps of clay, you'd understand what I am saying.

you have every right to love YOUR children as much as YOU like, and raise YOUR children however YOU would like.

The problem here is that you have NO RIGHT to tell ME how to raise mine, and you also have no right to decide who else can/cannot do so.

Stupid parents = stupid children = their choice.... NOT YOURS!

It's not the job of the government to decide how parents should raise their children. period.

If that results in stupid children, or children knocked up at age 12, then so be it. But I can bet you 100:1 that MY children will not be taught about sex until my wife and I personally choose to do so. If that means private schooling, then so be it. I'll ride a bike to work if I have to.

Why? Because the liberals have absolutely RUINED our public education system, and continue to make it worse each and every day. They (YOU) have no business raising MY goddamn kids or telling me how to do so, and YOU have no goddamn business dictating to me what they should/will learn. period.

That is why Clinton's book, "It Takes a Village," was so damn far off track. Why? Because it doesnt take a damn village. I want the village to stay the hell out of my damn business, and I want that village as far away from my kids as possible. It is MY choice as to how to raise my kids, and how they end up is MY responsibility and the childs, NOT yours, and NOT the damned Village!

That's cause you're deaf and blind. I am not pulling these reasons out of my ass - there have been countless studies done that show that teaching abstinence or not teaching sex-ed, does not reduce the amount of sex, only the amount of SAFE sex.

And I don't want to educate your children - I WANT YOU TO DO IT. Realize - if your kid is being taught sex ed in school and you weren't aware of it - it's not the school's fault - the blame rests squarely on your shoulders.

It's simple - if parents would teach their children these things, they wouldn't have to be part of the school curriculum.

These are elementary facts, about core human biological functions. As soon as you mature enough to realize that sex ed is akin to toilet training for pubescent teens, we can all breathe easier.

 

[MSUEngineer]

Frankly, this whole issue of kids having sex shows the lack of common sense in people today. Shouldn't the consequences such as getting pregnant, catching STD's, damaging your reputation, and so forth cross the minds of these kids and their parents? Furthermore, something is seriously wrong with our culture when kids this age are being exposed to sex. Heck, when I was in elementary school, all I cared about was riding bikes, playing baseball, and being a typical kid. Now we're having to worry about them getting pregnant or catching STD's! They are all acting like a bunch of @#$% stray dogs, thinking only of today and not thinking about long-term consequences.

 

[palehorse]

And I don't want to educate your children - I WANT YOU TO DO IT. Realize - if your kid is being taught sex ed in school and you weren't aware of it - it's not the school's fault - the blame rests squarely on your shoulders.

ahhh, so now we get to the heart of it. You WANT me to do it, but you advocate taking that responsibility out of MY hands? How does that work exactly? See the conundrum? Who is going to decide which parents are adequate, and which need to have Stalin come through and teach their kids for them? And how exactly is it the parents' fault if the school chooses to teach an obviously contraversial subject without notifying the parents first? Dont you think a simple heads up at a previous PTA meeting would have been appropriate? or perhaps *gasp* a permission slip?

Or is this yet another attempt by the left to give minors the right to make drastic life-altering decisions without parental influence and consent? hmm.. big suprise there!

It's simple - if parents would teach their children these things, they wouldn't have to be part of the school curriculum.

I plan to, and probably at an early age. I just refuse to have someone else dictate those terms to me and usurp my control of that knowledge. Nobody will tell ME when to do so. I will decide based upon my decent upbringing and my own intelligence.

These are elementary facts, about core human biological functions. As soon as you mature enough to realize that sex ed is akin to toilet training for pubescent teens, we can all breathe easier.

I agree.. but again, that is the parents' decision, NOT yours, and NOT the school's and government's.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

It's simple - if parents would teach their children these things, they wouldn't have to be part of the school curriculum.

I plan to, and probably at an early age. I just refuse to have someone else dictate those terms to me and usurp my control of that knowledge. Nobody will tell ME when to do so. I will decide based upon my decent upbringing and my own intelligence.

These are elementary facts, about core human biological functions. As soon as you mature enough to realize that sex ed is akin to toilet training for pubescent teens, we can all breathe easier.

I agree.. but again, that is the parents' decision, NOT yours, and NOT the school's and government's.

I'll tell you. If your child is in the 2nd grade, and still goes into a diaper... what do you think the school should do, given that you refuse to toilet-train the child.

How far do people want the society to go in ignoring their mistakes?

If a child doesn't know how to go on the toilet, or properly clean him/herself when entering school, do you think the school should just ignore it - after all - it's that child's parents prerogative to teach them?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
You're still completely off base here, and there's no evidence that the driver was somehow promoting safety by hitting the girl. There are a million other options for discipline, if that was necessary, which it probably wasn't.

As the resident king of the 'children are their parents slaves' you should be disgusted that the wishes of the parents were not respected.

Oh, and schoolbusses don't have seatbelts anywhere I've ever been; also many bussses assign/i] seats.

How is a driver supposed to put his 100% focus on the road with this distraction? Taking your eyes off the road for 1 second is 1 second too long.

Rightiswrong never cared about the wishes of Christian parents, why would others care about his?

You're assuming way too much. The driver is perfectly capable of pulling the bus over and switching the seat of the 'problem' child with one he or she considers more responsible.

He was in the middle of an intersection. Where do you pull over?

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
You're still completely off base here, and there's no evidence that the driver was somehow promoting safety by hitting the girl. There are a million other options for discipline, if that was necessary, which it probably wasn't.

As the resident king of the 'children are their parents slaves' you should be disgusted that the wishes of the parents were not respected.

Oh, and schoolbusses don't have seatbelts anywhere I've ever been; also many bussses assign seats.

How is a driver supposed to put his 100% focus on the road with this distraction? Taking your eyes off the road for 1 second is 1 second too long.

Rightiswrong never cared about the wishes of Christian parents, why would others care about his?

You're assuming way too much. The driver is perfectly capable of pulling the bus over and switching the seat of the 'problem' child with one he or she considers more responsible.

He was in the middle of an intersection. Where do you pull over?

Then he shouldn't have been taking the time to slap some kid when he could just drive.

Your love of a good beating notwithstanding, there's no evidence here that it served any purpose.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
You're still completely off base here, and there's no evidence that the driver was somehow promoting safety by hitting the girl. There are a million other options for discipline, if that was necessary, which it probably wasn't.

As the resident king of the 'children are their parents slaves' you should be disgusted that the wishes of the parents were not respected.

Oh, and schoolbusses don't have seatbelts anywhere I've ever been; also many bussses assign seats.

How is a driver supposed to put his 100% focus on the road with this distraction? Taking your eyes off the road for 1 second is 1 second too long.

Rightiswrong never cared about the wishes of Christian parents, why would others care about his?

You're assuming way too much. The driver is perfectly capable of pulling the bus over and switching the seat of the 'problem' child with one he or she considers more responsible.

He was in the middle of an intersection. Where do you pull over?

Then he shouldn't have been taking the time to slap some kid when he could just drive.

Your love of a good beating notwithstanding, there's no evidence here that it served any purpose.

He didn't have to. Just slap 1 hand in that general direction while focusing on the road.

It did serve a purpose; it got a kid away from the driver's seat.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Meuge


If a child doesn't know how to go on the toilet

Hell, a program that teaches little girls to wipe from front to back would save Medicare millions/year in treating UTI's.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: zendari
He didn't have to. Just slap 1 hand in that general direction while focusing on the road.

It did serve a purpose; it got a kid away from the driver's seat.

Since you odn't know wy the kid was near the driver's seat at that moment to begin with, you really can't make that conclusion.

If all the driver did was absent-mindedly slap in the general direction of the 'thing' that was distracting him, nothing more than perhaps an apology would be needed.

If it was 'punishment' then it's not alright, because there was a signed form saying it's not alright.