Mississippi is even more backwards than I thought

[RightIsWrong]

Ok, here is the scenario......

I come home from work and my wife and kids are hanging out talking. Seems like a normal afternoon until my wife tells me about the topic.........

THE SCHOOL IS TEACHING SEX ED TO MY THIRD GRADE DAUGHTER (WHO JUST TURNED 9 AND STILL BELIEVES IN FREAKING SANTA CLAUS) WITHOUT EITHER OF OUR CONSENT OR KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY WOULD BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION!!!

Now, I am pretty shocked by this. I start to get incensed when I hear the actual scope of the "lecture" that is given and the topics that are covered. Here's a list of some of them:

1. Female hygiene (including deoderant and other general grooming) (almost acceptable but we still would have liked advance notification of it
2. Undergarment recommendations (always wear a bra and clean underwear)

Here's where it gets even worse!!!!

3. Menstruation (sp)
4. How 14 year old girls are getting pregnant in this "Deliverence" nightmare (they were even asked if anyone knew of any 14-15yo pregnant girls)
5. A very sexual reference to things that can be done with a hot dog (supposedly brought up by a THIRD GRADE GIRL......AND THEN DISCUSSED!!!
6. STDs (told that next year they would learn the names and more specifics)
7. There was supposed to be a movie....but the nurse decided to wait till they are in fourth grade for that
8. How they shouldn't get into the car with any strange men. Told that they would be touched and where and then they would be killed. Stressed that it was only men that do this.
9. Were told that they should wait until they, at the least, finish high school before getting pregnant.
10. The principal said on our answering machine that the girls (7-8-9 year old third graders mind you) were asking questions that led to these topics. It sounds as if she is saying that it was the kids that led the conversation and the nurse wasn't able to take back the reins.

The truly sad part about this whole debacle....it appears as if it is the law here!!!!!

MS Code about Nurses teaching "Hygiene and Abstinence"

Now, we know that the principal hates us already because we are not the normal Mississippi parents, we are actually involved in our kid's lives. Our daughter was in the gifted program as a first grader when we lived in Pittsburgh (they made an exception for her...usually wait until the kids are in third grade) and has never been in trouble in any school that she has gone.

Fast forward to Deliverance Elementary......

Since we started this school, our daughter had her hand smacked by the bus driver (she grabbed his seat because she was sliding in her seat as he was going around a corner). This after we had signed upon registering a "No corporal punishment" paper.

She has been physically battered by older students on the bus (they actually are so freaking poor in this rural hickville that they put the junior and senior high students on the same bus as the elementary...you should hear some of the things that she has told us she has heard). We actually went and tried to file a police report on this one....but the junior high principal said that there was nothing that could be done because she, to quote her, "I am not going to try to find out the names of the kids because it would just be a he said she said case and I don't want to get anyone in trouble that might not have done anything." This after my daughter comes home with bright red cheeks from being slapped and shoe marks on her from where she was kicked. Amazingly, the bus had a camera on it. Astoundingly, the tape was a brand new tape that had never been recorded. The reason from the owner of the bus company...."I guess he forgot to turn on the camera." Litterally, the day before, there was a open lock-blade knife found on the bus by a first-grader and not a single parent was notified about that either. You would think that having the camera turned on would have been a priority after that.

I believe that I am going to contact the ACLU about this and if they won't do anything, retain a lawyer and file suit. Even if there isn't a penny that comes of this, and frankly I think that there should be and I want there to be for my daughter's sake, I am going to make these fvcks realize that they cannot do this sh1t and get away with it. At least not to the transplanted yankees.

Edit:.......forgot to mention that when she answered the phone, her greeting was "Hello Mr. Johnson, what can I do for you THIS TIME?"

 

[zendari]

I thought liberals believe in comprehensive sex education.

Can't blame the bus driver for his actions. He's responsible for driving 30+ children around, and can hardly stay focused on the road with people poking him in the head or the ass.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Simple Solution, Move.

 

[glenn1]

Let me guess, you're unhappy that your daughter's sex-ed didn't contain material talking about the virtues of "choice" on abortion or how to avoid parental notification laws to get the same? That seems to be what your side advocates for other people's children.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Originally posted by: zendari
I thought liberals believe in comprehensive sex education.

Can't blame the bus driver for his actions. He's responsible for driving 30+ children around, and can hardly stay focused on the road with people poking him in the head or the ass.

I think that it was generaly directed at Jr High or High School kids, not 9 year olds.

Edit: Though your kid was going to end up learning about it anyways, why not young? Get the message through to them when they are more impressionable than say a high school kid who doesn't give a rats ass.

 

[Meuge]

My parents explained sex to me, and handed me a book about it when I was 9 as well. It's a wise decision. And teaching girls about feminine hygiene at that age is essential. If you're not willing to do it, then you'll just have to endure the school doing it for you.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: zendari
I thought liberals believe in comprehensive sex education.

Can't blame the bus driver for his actions. He's responsible for driving 30+ children around, and can hardly stay focused on the road with people poking him in the head or the ass.

I think that it was generaly directed at Jr High or High School kids, not 9 year olds.

*shrug*

He spent half his babbling on that subject. If you want comprehensive, best to start early.

 

[EatSpam]

Your fault for moving to MS.

Sounds about right though... lots of fearmongering, presented to children who are far too young to hear about such topics. Its exactly what I'd expect in a Southern Baptist/Evangelical stronghold such as Mississippi.

That whole thing on the bus seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen... hope you can get some justice as you aren't a good 'ol boy...

 

[CrackRabbit]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: zendari
I thought liberals believe in comprehensive sex education.

Can't blame the bus driver for his actions. He's responsible for driving 30+ children around, and can hardly stay focused on the road with people poking him in the head or the ass.

I think that it was generaly directed at Jr High or High School kids, not 9 year olds.

*shrug*

He spent half his babbling on that subject. If you want comprehensive, best to start early.

LOL, I saw this just after editing my post. For once, I halfway agree with you Zen.

 

[bamacre]

This thread has confused the hell out of me. Especially the OP, and EatSpam's post.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: zendari
I thought liberals believe in comprehensive sex education.

Can't blame the bus driver for his actions. He's responsible for driving 30+ children around, and can hardly stay focused on the road with people poking him in the head or the ass.

First of all, you are completely wrong in your assumptions.

Secondly, I do believe in comprehensive sex education. Just not to a freaking third grader a$$ wipe.

Third. do you understand what battery on a minor is? She never touched him at all. We also signed papers directing NO CORPORAL PUNISHMENT! Is English your fourth language? You sure as hell can't comprehend it enough for it to be your first.

Simple Solution, Move.

Why do I have to move instead of expecting to have my child in a non-violent, protected environment that is conducive to learning? Isn't that my right as a citizen? I have started actively seeking other employment because of this and people's ignorance to the incidents.

None of that, however, corrects what has already occured to my daughter's emotional well being. They will change their ways. If not before I leave here, maybe for the next poor bastard that has to enroll in this sh1thole.

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[sandorski]

Re: the Sex Ed part: What's the big deal? The only thing there that I could see as potentially shocking is the Hot Dog thing, but withou knowing the context of it, it's difficult to know whether to be shocked or not. Kids hear things from all sorts of sources and by that age I had heard various sexual things from friends and older kids similar to the Hot Dogs issue raised. Doesn't seem unlikely to be asked by a student at all.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: zendari
I thought liberals believe in comprehensive sex education. [/b]

Absolutely, to kids who are 11 or 12. 6th grade seems to be the appropriate time, as most kids are just starting puberty and the topics become significantly more relevant.

And does that description sound like comprehensive sex ed? There's no discussion of pregnancy, no discussion of birth control, no discussion of STDs, just a load of fearmongering and, without a doubt, plenty of misinformation.

Can't blame the bus driver for his actions. He's responsible for driving 30+ children around, and can hardly stay focused on the road with people poking him in the head or the ass.

Why can't he turn on the camera? I road the bus, before cameras, and if I acted up, my parents knew about it that night. With 30 kids, same route every day, the bus driver should know his students by name. Part of the bus driver's job is to report disciplinary problems to the school so they can be dealt with.

Edit: And hitting a kid is entirely unacceptable. He should have lost his job for that.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: zendari
I thought liberals believe in comprehensive sex education.

Can't blame the bus driver for his actions. He's responsible for driving 30+ children around, and can hardly stay focused on the road with people poking him in the head or the ass.

First of all, you are a complete d1ck and moron.

Quoted, for more reasons than one.

Enjoy your vacation. TFNN is only a few clicks away.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: zendari
I thought liberals believe in comprehensive sex education. [/b]

Absolutely, to kids who are 11 or 12. 6th grade seems to be the appropriate time, as most kids are just starting puberty and the topics become significantly more relevant.

And does that description sound like comprehensive sex ed? There's no discussion of pregnancy, no discussion of birth control, no discussion of STDs, just a load of fearmongering and, without a doubt, plenty of misinformation.

They're just getting started. The 2 year head start is to make your education comprehensive.

Funny how now liberals want to keep kids in the dark.

 

[glenn1]

Why do I have to move instead of expecting to have my child in a non-violent, protected environment that is conducive to learning? Isn't that my right as a citizen? I have started actively seeking other employment because of this and people's ignorance to the incidents.

None of that, however, corrects what has already occured to my daughter's emotional well being. They will change their ways. If not before I leave here, maybe for the next poor bastard that has to enroll in this sh1thole.

Too bad your side opposes school choice as well. Guess you have no other options other than Deliverance Elementary. Interesting how you don't like having to live under the rules you'd impose on the rest of us. Guess that karma thing really does exist.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: zendari
I thought liberals believe in comprehensive sex education.

Can't blame the bus driver for his actions. He's responsible for driving 30+ children around, and can hardly stay focused on the road with people poking him in the head or the ass.

First of all, you are a complete d1ck and moron.

Secondly, I do believe in comprehensive sex education. Just not to a freaking third grader a$$ wipe.

Third. do you understand what battery on a minor is? She never touched him at all. We also signed papers directing NO CORPORAL PUNISHMENT! Is English your fourth language? You sure as hell can't comprehend it enough for it to be your first.

Doesn't matter. You keep your hands away from the driver, a so called "gifted" 9 year old should understand that.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: zendari
I thought liberals believe in comprehensive sex education. [/b]

Absolutely, to kids who are 11 or 12. 6th grade seems to be the appropriate time, as most kids are just starting puberty and the topics become significantly more relevant.

And does that description sound like comprehensive sex ed? There's no discussion of pregnancy, no discussion of birth control, no discussion of STDs, just a load of fearmongering and, without a doubt, plenty of misinformation.

They're just getting started. The 2 year head start is to make your education comprehensive.

Funny how now liberals want to keep kids in the dark.

Yeah, I thought they were ready to teach homosexuality in grade K in California.

That's why this whole thread is confusing, and yet, interesting.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: zendari
I thought liberals believe in comprehensive sex education. [/b]

Absolutely, to kids who are 11 or 12. 6th grade seems to be the appropriate time, as most kids are just starting puberty and the topics become significantly more relevant.

And does that description sound like comprehensive sex ed? There's no discussion of pregnancy, no discussion of birth control, no discussion of STDs, just a load of fearmongering and, without a doubt, plenty of misinformation.

They're just getting started. The 2 year head start is to make your education comprehensive.

Funny how now liberals want to keep kids in the dark.

You didn't see anything wrong with the "sex ed" that the OP described?

 

[judasmachine]

I recieved a similiar education in Iowa in 3rd or 4th grade. That was '84 or so. I do not know if they notified the parents or not, but I remember asking a lot of questions as the kids on the playground, and my older brothers had told me a lot of stuff that confused me. I'm thankful there was an open free forum for me to ask these things. It ranged from does a beard really grow back faster if it's shaved (I was in 3rd or 4th grade guys) to how babies are made and where they come from. I think it was really a good thing to debunk what us kids thought we already knew. I'm glad I followed the teacher's advice and not that of my friends and brothers.

Edit: I also remember them telling us (boys, we were seperated from the girls) to watch for strangers and to avoid them and not get into their vehicles, and about blue star houses. They did go into vague detail about how and where it was inappropriate for another person to touch us. I don't remember them stressing that it was just males, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen, but I doubt it, as the principal was a man, and the nurse was a woman, and they taught the class.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Simple Solution, Move.

Why do I have to move instead of expecting to have my child in a non-violent, protected environment that is conducive to learning? Isn't that my right as a citizen? I have started actively seeking other employment because of this and people's ignorance to the incidents.

None of that, however, corrects what has already occured to my daughter's emotional well being. They will change their ways. If not before I leave here, maybe for the next poor bastard that has to enroll in this sh1thole.

You won't change thier ways, they will continue to be "backwards" and you will continue to hate them for the way they think and feel. The only solution is to move someplace you feel comfortable and feel that your daughter can get education in the way you think she need.
I am not saying that the way things are done there shouldn't change, but you probably are not going to be the one that gets them to make the changes that need to be.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: zendari
They're just getting started. The 2 year head start is to make your education comprehensive.

Funny how now liberals want to keep kids in the dark.

You didn't see anything wrong with the "sex ed" that the OP described?

Not really, no. Best to make sure rightiswrong's daughter doesnt go around with 12 year old guys and their teeny weenies, get knocked up, and having secret abortions, eh?

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: zendari
They're just getting started. The 2 year head start is to make your education comprehensive.

Funny how now liberals want to keep kids in the dark.

You didn't see anything wrong with the "sex ed" that the OP described?

Not really, no. Best to make sure rightiswrong's daughter doesnt go around with 12 year old guys and their teeny weenies, get knocked up, and having secret abortions, eh?

Zen, I agree with you. I'd rather see RiW's daughters know what the real world is like, then to believe what her friends tell her at recess.

Oh and for the record I'm a liberal. It isn't exactly a left/right thing, it's a real world education thing.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: zendari
They're just getting started. The 2 year head start is to make your education comprehensive.

Funny how now liberals want to keep kids in the dark.

You didn't see anything wrong with the "sex ed" that the OP described?

Not really, no. Best to make sure rightiswrong's daughter doesnt go around with 12 year old guys and their teeny weenies, get knocked up, and having secret abortions, eh?

Sounds like they were talking more about hot dogs and "strange men" than anything quite that concrete.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: zendari
Doesn't matter. You keep your hands away from the driver, a so called "gifted" 9 year old should understand that.

You have no idea what happened on that bus, and nothing gives the dirver the right to slap the kid, regardless.