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Mississippi is even more backwards than I thought
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Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
I read the OP and I'm just sitting here with my jaw on the floor. I don't even know where to begin. *shakes head* I hate it when I try not to stereotype different places and the evidence keeps coming back that my stereotype is dead on correct.
gsellis
Diamond Member
Nothing makes a lib into a conservative faster than kids. It helped cure me. 😀
They started in 3rd grade here too. Glad for it (we got a notification - in our county, all papers that come home must be signed, including homework). It is not just the kids, as you have to worry about the adults that prey on the kids, so an early education helps. Plus, kids are physically maturing sooner IMO. I have seen 10 yo that hitting puberty. They did that 'film' in 6th grade when I was a kid. They now do that in 5th (or was it 4th?). But, in 3rd, they explained some basics including what was considered inappropriate contact.
The bus driver was wrong. BUT, it needs to be understood that any contact with the bus driver or his seat while the bus is moving is also wrong. The driver should potentially get a suspension. But consider the system's view, and the daughter could also have her privileges suspended. Sticky wicket.
As for kids on the bus and the vp not doing anything, file the police report next time. The vp will not have a choice with officer friendly standing in her office. Let her know in advanced that the next time it does happen, you will. Battery is battery, and her dismissing it is almost criminal.
They started in 3rd grade here too. Glad for it (we got a notification - in our county, all papers that come home must be signed, including homework). It is not just the kids, as you have to worry about the adults that prey on the kids, so an early education helps. Plus, kids are physically maturing sooner IMO. I have seen 10 yo that hitting puberty. They did that 'film' in 6th grade when I was a kid. They now do that in 5th (or was it 4th?). But, in 3rd, they explained some basics including what was considered inappropriate contact.
The bus driver was wrong. BUT, it needs to be understood that any contact with the bus driver or his seat while the bus is moving is also wrong. The driver should potentially get a suspension. But consider the system's view, and the daughter could also have her privileges suspended. Sticky wicket.
As for kids on the bus and the vp not doing anything, file the police report next time. The vp will not have a choice with officer friendly standing in her office. Let her know in advanced that the next time it does happen, you will. Battery is battery, and her dismissing it is almost criminal.
Pliablemoose
Lifer
First, sex ed/hygine, LOL, I love seeing these kind of posts from the Left. If even one teen pregnancy is stopped by traumatizing parents it's worth every penny spent on these classes. Pregnant 12 year olds are not funny, and neither are traumatized girls having their first period at school whose parents don't communicate with their daughters.
Second, sorry about the problems you're having with transportation, I had similar problems, ended up telling the superintendent that I'd be staking out the bus and videotaping what went on for the pending lawsuit. Amazingly enough the problems stopped instantly.
Second, sorry about the problems you're having with transportation, I had similar problems, ended up telling the superintendent that I'd be staking out the bus and videotaping what went on for the pending lawsuit. Amazingly enough the problems stopped instantly.
Yeah, but at the cost of traumatizing a third grader and without parental notification? And of course all the rightwingers jump out and blame the Libs that sex ed exists. I haven't seen a single Lib on this board support this stuff in the 3rd grade, including myself. 6th grade for the entry stuff, if I want my son to learn anything any sooner I will teach him myself, and use the school as a safety net, as is intended.
As far as the bus, it's amazing what a call to the superintendant can do. The school district I was in was somewhat backwards. For example when I was in the the 2nd / 3rd grade, they used to bus kids from the school to the Mormaon church every Tuesday for primary. Thus caused the bus to be overful, so we would have to stand in the isle. My parents found out about it and were outraged. Lets just say it stopped the next week and the primary kids had to acually walk to their church function.
The only poll I can find, but right in line to the ages I think are right
/flamesuit on
Durex global sex survey
This has been pushed and pushed by the left in this country over the past 30 or so years. If it was upto some people they'd be teaching sex ed to 3 year olds.
The school system is quickly replacing the parents in the childs life. Then when the children growup to be assclowns the schools complain the kids dont have any parents.
Try having your kid removed from this class and watch what happens.
The school system is quickly replacing the parents in the childs life. Then when the children growup to be assclowns the schools complain the kids dont have any parents.
Try having your kid removed from this class and watch what happens.
3chordcharlie
Diamond Member
You're still completely off base here, and there's no evidence that the driver was somehow promoting safety by hitting the girl. There are a million other options for discipline, if that was necessary, which it probably wasn't.
As the resident king of the 'children are their parents slaves' you should be disgusted that the wishes of the parents were not respected.
Oh, and schoolbusses don't have seatbelts anywhere I've ever been; also many bussses assign/i] seats.
Funny you should say that - compare teen pregnancy rates then to now. Suddenly, going back to the glory days of the 50's doesn't sound half bad.
Sex ed should begin and end in the home. Schools should stick to the basics, like reading and math, which, judging by test scores, are clearly being neglected.
MSUEngineer
Member
Being a fellow Mississippian, I would advise you to put your child in a private school if you have the funds. Several areas of the state have notoriously bad public schools (the delta region especially). Some areas though have good public schools such as Tupelo and Madison, but most of the state's school system stinks. In my opinion, sex ed should be taught by the parents, and if the school is to teach sex ed, it should wait until at least the 6th-7th grade.
palehorse
Lifer
ya just gotta love it when a some liberal is rudely awakened to the truth and reality of the very same liberal ideas they spent their lives preaching!
Welcome to the real world leftie!
Read this:
"How I Accidentally Joined the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy (and Found Inner Peace)" - Harry Stein
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/038533.../102-7950729-5458521?v=glance&n=283155
it describes hundreds of little reality-checks that eventually led the author, a 70's liberal, to become a conservative republican. Several incidents involved schooling and parenting.
I'm glad to see that you are starting to wake up as well!
Welcome to the real world leftie!
Read this:
"How I Accidentally Joined the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy (and Found Inner Peace)" - Harry Stein
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/038533.../102-7950729-5458521?v=glance&n=283155
it describes hundreds of little reality-checks that eventually led the author, a 70's liberal, to become a conservative republican. Several incidents involved schooling and parenting.
I'm glad to see that you are starting to wake up as well!
Sex ed should be taught 1 year before girls undergo puberty. Sorry, but maybe in the middle of the 20th century that would have coincided with 7th grade. It's not the case anymore, so teaching sex ed in 7th grade is way too late.
As far parents teaching sex ed, you have NO CLUE about to inept parents are in general, in terms of teaching their children basic facts about sex, as well as about personal hygiene. I've personally witnessed an interview with a parent who was saying something along the lines of: "my little girl is too young and innocent to learn about sex, that's why I never taught her". Meanwhile she was in the other room getting an ultrasound for her 4-month-old pregnancy, and getting antibiotics for the STDs.
To the contrary, I've complained about modern (absentee, mostly) parenting in these forums on many occasions. I just find inept parents to be the lesser evil, as compared to inept gov't. I part company with modern liberalism in rejecting the idea that the first solution to any and all problems is to turn to gov't. That's frequently the cause, not the cure.
DealMonkey
Lifer
OMG! How big of a prude are you? Kids need to know this information (and no, 9 years old is not too young). Given your hysterical reaction to normal sex ed topics, she's obviously not going to be learning these things at home.
I'd much rather see kids informed properly versus growing up ignorant, but hey that's just me.
3chordcharlie
Diamond Member
You're assuming way too much. The driver is perfectly capable of pulling the bus over and switching the seat of the 'problem' child with one he or she considers more responsible.
palehorse
Lifer
so you're all for eliminating parents' abilities to raise their own children and make their own decisions as to how their children should be raised? the government could do it better, right?
swell. why dont we just put them all into communist schools now and get it over with mr. stalin?!
I always question the teen pregnancy and abortion stats from the 50s. Back then, there was a lot more stigma attached to a teen pregnancy and it could affect your position at work, church, and in the community. It wouldn't surprise me if the rates were severely under reported, with many pregnant daugters "going to live on the farm" or getting secret abortions - kind of like what happens in fundie communities today.
I am for removing as much of the children's education from the hands of stupid, prudish, hyper-religious parents as possible.
If having sex-ed in 9th grade prevents 1 abortion and 1 death from HIV, the fundie tools should be f-ing extatic. Except they're not out to help people or save lives, they're out to impose their uber hypocrisy on their children. Sticking your head into the f-ing ground, and pretending that a significant percentage of 10 year old girls are entering puberty, and beginning to engage in sexual activity as early as 2 years afterwards will not save your own daughters.
So do us all a favor - if you're too cowardly to educate your own children while there's still time, let people who aren't so fearful do it. If you really love your children, as opposed to seeing them as your personal lumps of clay, you'd understand what I am saying.
palehorse
Lifer
you have every right to love YOUR children as much as YOU like, and raise YOUR children however YOU would like.
The problem here is that you have NO RIGHT to tell ME how to raise mine, and you also have no right to decide who else can/cannot do so.
Stupid parents = stupid children = their choice.... NOT YOURS!
It's not the job of the government to decide how parents should raise their children. period.
If that results in stupid children, or children knocked up at age 12, then so be it. But I can bet you 100:1 that MY children will not be taught about sex until my wife and I personally choose to do so. If that means private schooling, then so be it. I'll ride a bike to work if I have to.
Why? Because the liberals have absolutely RUINED our public education system, and continue to make it worse each and every day. They (YOU) have no business raising MY goddamn kids or telling me how to do so, and YOU have no goddamn business dictating to me what they should/will learn. period.
That is why Clinton's book, "It Takes a Village," was so damn far off track. Why? Because it doesnt take a damn village. I want the village to stay the hell out of my damn business, and I want that village as far away from my kids as possible. It is MY choice as to how to raise my kids, and how they end up is MY responsibility and the childs, NOT yours, and NOT the damned Village!
Look at it from a social viewpoint - the problems that will inevitably arise out of the failure of their parents to educate their children about their biological function, will have a great social and economic impact on the town, city, state, and country as a whole.
For example, an HIV infection costs about $200/month to manage. That's $2400/year for let's say 20 years. Plus doctors' visits, etc. etc. etc... so either the taxpayers or the insurance companies will shell out $10k+/year for every infection that could have been prevented if the children were taught sex ed correctly.
Not to mention the loss of workforce, and taxes from the person leading a sick life and dying early.
With tens and hundreds of thousands of new infections, just HIV alone has a collossal economic impact. Even from a purely fiscal standpoint it's a oversight of gargantuan proportions.
Not to mention the social impact of having millions of infected people in the U.S.
And I haven't even started talking about other STDs, pregnancies, abortions, etc.. etc.. etc..
Do you really think it's worth it?
DealMonkey
Lifer
Wow, perhaps you should try that again ... next time with a little less hyperbole and hysteria. Thnx.
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