Mississippi down to one abortion clinic

[Atomic Playboy]

Is it ludicrous and idiotic to say abortion providers target low income areas, especially areas populated by minorities?

Yes, that is ludicrous to say, specifically because of the word "target." You know what else they have more of in low-income areas? Grocery stores. Gas stations. Fast food joints. Car washes. Gymnasiums. Actually, most anything that doesn't exclusively cater to wealthy clientele. See, the thing about low-income areas is that they tend to be more densely populated than upper income areas. More people means more customers for the product or service you offer. So unless you think that everything is intentionally targeting low-income areas (outside of yacht dealerships and mansion architects), you're just singling out a service you don't like and accusing them of engaging in class genocide. And, yes, that is both ludicrous and idiotic.

 

[Texashiker]

And, yes, that is both ludicrous and idiotic.

Good job at turning a blind eye to real issue facing our minority population.

Why are black women 5 times more likely to have an abortion than white women?

 

[artvscommerce]

If a certain demographic was 5 times more likely to catch chicken pox or measles, the CDC would be freaking out.

But when it comes to abortions and low income minorities, nobody cares.

That is a false analogy. 404: Argument not found.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Good job at turning a blind eye to real issue facing our minority population.

Why are black women 5 times more likely to have an abortion than white women?

Insufficient education, inadequate access to contraceptive resources, cultural differences regarding contraception and greater overall poverty? Fixing those things would be great. Now tell me, how does limiting or banning abortion address any of those issues?

 

[artvscommerce]

Good job at turning a blind eye to real issue facing our minority population.

Why are black women 5 times more likely to have an abortion than white women?

I'm not convinced that you actually have any interest in knowing the answer to that question. You seem to continuously look for reasons to justify your racist worldview.

 

[Texashiker]

Insufficient education, inadequate access to contraceptive resources, cultural differences regarding contraception and greater overall poverty? Fixing those things would be great. Now tell me, how does limiting or banning abortion address any of those issues?

You forgot to list ease of access to abortion as a reason.

I'm not convinced that you actually have any interest in knowing the answer to that question.

Too bad.

You seem to continuously look for reasons to justify your racist worldview

The only racist view here is abortion proponents.

While they argue that abortion is being responsible, more black babies are dying than white babies.

If this was any other condition - measles, cancer, chicken pox,,,,, anything, there would be government investigations. But since this abortion and a womans right, nobody gives a crap about the racial disparity.

 

[nehalem256]

Insufficient education, inadequate access to contraceptive resources, cultural differences regarding contraception and greater overall poverty? Fixing those things would be great. Now tell me, how does limiting or banning abortion address any of those issues?

You obviously missed the beginning of the thread where eskimospy dismissed those as possible reasons for an increased abortion rate when he used a comparison between the US and Brazil to show that making abortion illegal does nothing to reduce its prevalence.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

You forgot to list ease of access to abortion as a reason.

I didn't list ease of access as a reason because I don't believe white women have a fundamentally more difficult time finding an abortion provider than black women. You forgot to list how banning abortion will address any of those differences that make black women more likely to get abortions than white women.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

The only racist view here is abortion proponents.

While they argue that abortion is being responsible, more black babies are dying than white babies.

Do you believe that people who are in favor of keeping abortion legal are doing so specifically because more minorities get abortions?

 

[artvscommerce]

You forgot to list ease of access to abortion as a reason.




Too bad.



The only racist view here is abortion proponents.

While they argue that abortion is being responsible, more black babies are dying than white babies.

It's really too bad for you. It makes you look rather silly when you refuse to respond to people with good points that shine a light on your flawed logic.

Instead you just continue on with more and more fallacious arguments.


abortion doesn't = babies dying.

Earlier you stated this as fact and I asked you to provide evidence. What's the problem?

 

[artvscommerce]

If this was any other condition - measles, cancer, chicken pox,,,,, anything, there would be government investigations. But since this abortion and a womans right, nobody gives a crap about the racial disparity.

You've tried to use this same flawed logic on other topics as well. These two things don't relate in any way and others have already pointed out why what you're saying is wrong on every level.

You also have yet to relate this ridiculous statement to the actual thread topic. Atomic has asked you repeatedly!

 

[Texashiker]

It's really too bad for you. It makes you look rather silly when you refuse to respond to people with good points that shine a light on your flawed logic.

Did you read the thread?

I have stated numerous times in exact detail answers to various questions.

abortion doesn't = babies dying.

The same thing was probably said about blacks. They are not people, they are property.

If you kill your property, so what. It is your property,,, right?

When the US Army gave blankets to Indians that came off small pox victims, so what, they are just savages.

Abortion stops a beating heart. So therefor it ends a life.

 

[CitizenKain]

So how many children have you adopted Texashiker? I'm sure a staunch pro-lifer you are adopting children left and right to ensure they a raised in a good household.

 

[artvscommerce]

Did you read the thread?

I have stated numerous times in exact detail answers to various questions.




The same thing was probably said about blacks. They are not people, they are property.

If you kill your property, so what. It is your property,,, right?

When the US Army gave blankets to Indians that came off small pox victims, so what, they are just savages.

Abortion stops a beating heart. So therefor it ends a life.

Nothing you said is even close to factual evidence that abortion is the same as murder.

What is with all of these meaningless and irrelevant correlations?

Restricting someones right to make a choice that is so personal seems way more consistent with the atrocities you mentioned than giving people freedom to make their own choice.

If you really believe some of the things you are saying, you are on the wrong side of the debate!

 

[Texashiker]

So how many children have you adopted Texashiker?

I have adopted no children.

I'm sure a staunch pro-lifer you are adopting children left and right to ensure they a raised in a good household.

It is going to take more than adoption to end this slaughter of the innocents.

Our entire society needs to be reformed. Everything from job training to welfare needs to be demolished and rebuilt.

 

[Exophase]

This idea that abortion is akin to child murder has some wonderful corollaries.

The one about rape pregnancies not being a good excuse for abortion has been covered. How about if the woman has a miscarriage? If a woman's child dies there should be a police investigation to determine what happened, and the woman may be liable for criminal charges if neglect or abuse is discovered. I guess all miscarriages should be investigated with the same scrutiny, and if a woman's dietary or lifestyle choices are found to have contributed to the miscarriage she should be charged with negligent manslaughter. Good luck dealing with the women who didn't even realize they were pregnant before they miscarried.

 

[nehalem256]

This idea that abortion is akin to child murder has some wonderful corollaries.

The one about rape pregnancies not being a good excuse for abortion has been covered. How about if the woman has a miscarriage? If a woman's child dies there should be a police investigation to determine what happened, and the woman may be liable for criminal charges if neglect or abuse is discovered. I guess all miscarriages should be investigated with the same scrutiny, and if a woman's dietary or lifestyle choices are found to have contributed to the miscarriage she should be charged with negligent manslaughter. Good luck dealing with the women who didn't even realize they were pregnant before they miscarried.

Completely retarded analogy. People die everyday. How many do the police investigate as possible murders? :hmm:

Yet, by your own logic the police should be rigorously investigating every death. I mean the 80 year old guy with cancer could have secretly been poisoned. Or maybe they replaced his chemo medicine with saline or sugar pills to increase profits.

 

[nehalem256]

The same thing was probably said about blacks. They are not people, they are property.

If you kill your property, so what. It is your property,,, right?

That excuse didn't work very well for Michael Vick did it?

His dogs his choice... oh wait 🙄

 

[Texashiker]

Nothing you said is even close to factual evidence that abortion is the same as murder.

Why would you say that?

If a child has a heart beat it is alive. That is the same standard the medical community uses for people.

What is with all of these meaningless and irrelevant correlations?

All through history people such as yourself pick and choose who deserves equal rights, who does not, who gets to live and who gets to did.

How are you any different that the solider who ordered blankets from small pox victims given to Indians? They are just savages, right? They are not real people, right?

Restricting someones right to make a choice that is so personal seems way more consistent with the atrocities you mentioned than giving people freedom to make their own choice.

Oh, you want to talk about choice?

Who honestly has a choice in this matter? The mother could have used birth control, got an IUD, asked her partner to use a condom and pull out.

The woman had numerous choices and chances to avoid this situation. For some reason she chose to ignore those choices.

The child on the other hand had no choice or say in the matter. He or she was conceived and he/she will be murdered by the irresponsible person who directly caused this situation.

 

[artvscommerce]

This idea that abortion is akin to child murder has some wonderful corollaries.

The one about rape pregnancies not being a good excuse for abortion has been covered. How about if the woman has a miscarriage? If a woman's child dies there should be a police investigation to determine what happened, and the woman may be liable for criminal charges if neglect or abuse is discovered. I guess all miscarriages should be investigated with the same scrutiny, and if a woman's dietary or lifestyle choices are found to have contributed to the miscarriage she should be charged with negligent manslaughter. Good luck dealing with the women who didn't even realize they were pregnant before they miscarried.

TH- That is some pretty serious evidence against your claim that abortion equals murder. Where is yours?

 

[shortylickens]

Abortion is just down right creepy. Just thinking about it sends shivers down my spine

Women have abortions every 28 days.

 

[shira]

Completely retarded analogy. People die everyday. How many do the police investigate as possible murders? :hmm:

Yet, by your own logic the police should be rigorously investigating every death. I mean the 80 year old guy with cancer could have secretly been poisoned. Or maybe they replaced his chemo medicine with saline or sugar pills to increase profits.

And yet autopsies are routinely performed if there is ANY reasonable doubt about the circumstances leading to a person's death.

So the original question is definitely NOT retarded: Since, according to pro-lifers a human fetus is a "person" from day 1, and killing a fetus is therefore murder, the very existence of a miscarriage clearly raises red flags about its cause.

Think about what would happen if a child were suddenly found dead in the home: There would definitely be a police investigation and an autopsy to determine the cause of death. And if it were determined that ANY action or lack of action was taken by the parents that contributed to the death, criminal charges would follow.

Well, since a fetus is a "child," according to pro-lifers, when the "child" dies why would we expect the police to do anything less than with any other child? This is the bed you're making, and this is the bed you insist we all sleep in.

 

[Texashiker]

The one about rape pregnancies not being a good excuse for abortion has been covered. How about if the woman has a miscarriage? If a woman's child dies there should be a police investigation to determine what happened, and the woman may be liable for criminal charges if neglect or abuse is discovered. I guess all miscarriages should be investigated with the same scrutiny, and if a woman's dietary or lifestyle choices are found to have contributed to the miscarriage she should be charged with negligent manslaughter. Good luck dealing with the women who didn't even realize they were pregnant before they miscarried.

Strawman arguments.

Naturally occurring acts have nothing to do with this thread.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

If a child has a heart beat it is alive. That is the same standard the medical community uses for people.

Could you please find us a medical source that says there is no difference between a fetus and a born person and therefore the same definitions and standards should apply to both?

 

[nehalem256]

And yet autopsies are routinely performed if there is ANY reasonable doubt about the circumstances leading to a person's death.

So the original question is definitely NOT retarded: Since, according to pro-lifers a human fetus is a "person" from day 1, and killing a fetus is therefore murder, the very existence of a miscarriage clearly raises red flags about its cause.

No more than the death of an 85 year old man does. If an 85 year old man died you would assume it was natural causes.

I am willing to bet that the chances of a miscarriage in a 9 month pregnancy are at least as good as the chance of an 85 year old man dying in a 9 month period of time.

As miscarriages are common the mere existence of a miscarriage does not raise a red flag.