Mississippi down to one abortion clinic

[Nebor]

Btw, rednecks is generally considered a rather insulting term these days. Better not to use it. I certainly don't.

I prefer to keep a full arsenal of racial, ethnic and cultural slurs at my disposal.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Either all abortions are murder, or all abortions aren't murder. And since people will always disagree and 90% of the time people on both sides agree that there should be some caveats there is no way to create a law or agreement that covers everything and appeases everyone. So it should be left to the person(s) involved and their doctor. If they are committing "murder" then they will have to face that fact when they meet their maker. In the mean time we should make abortion safe and rare.

That's the way it is in Canada. There has been no law regarding abortion since 1988 when our Supreme Court declared the law as it stood at that time was unconstitutional.

For what it's worth abortions in Canada have been declining since the late 90's.

 

[dmcowen674]

OP is a nut

 

[Paratus]

You're giving it too much thought. Why anyone takes him or nehalem seriously I have no idea.

You're probably right about Nehalem.

My current working hypothesis about him is that he's mad that his mommy left his daddy, and raised him in a single parent household. This caused his hatred towards women. Since he'll never have a healthy relationship with a woman I then figure that he took a trip to South East Asia looking for a paid hookup but ended up with a Thai lady-boy instead. Hence the unreasoning hatred for gays.

Or he could be a bot. :hmm:

 

[Paratus]

Example 1:

Remember the young lady who had her tonsils removed? I think she started bleeding, her airway was blocked, and her brain died.

Do you remember that case? I am sure you do, it was on the nation news for a couple of weeks.

What was the definition the doctors used to define if she was alive?

Brain waves.

At what week does a baby develop brain waves? 10 weeks? Or somewhere around there?

Example 2:

Do you remember the opening passage from the The Declaration of Independence?



At the time of creation we are endowed with certain rights. One of those rights being a right to life.

It is not that we are born equal. We are created equal.




Some states allow women to be held in prison if they do drugs while pregnant.

I think it was Tennessee who just passed a law on this topic?

Well since we've already covered the scientific arguments why you are wrong

• Both sperm and egg are alive before conception
• Fertilized eggs can be multiple babies unlike born babies
• Half of fertilized eggs are miscarried naturally make nature the biggest aborter

The legal arguments why you are wrong

• Having sex does not mean you give up your body rights.
• After birth both parent are on the hook to provide money and it care if divorced
• The Supreme Court says it's legal
• Etc

Let's tackle the religious reasons

If you believe it's murder then you must believe the fetus has a soul. Probably from passages such as, " endowed by their creator" and, " I knew you in the womb".

If that's the case let's look at the ramifications of your argument.

If God is all knowing and all caring does he put souls in all those fertilized eggs that are mis-carried? An all knowing, loving god would not create people just to die before being born, would he?

If you want to use the argument that's it the persons choice that causes the death, then you have to admit god doesn't know who is going to have an abortion or he puts the soul in and let's the new person die anyway. Hardly a loving god?

Why do you hate God Texas?

 

[Tim_Derr]

OP is a nut

kettle calling kettle

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Either it's a state's rights issue or you can rescind Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, they're basically mutually exclusive. Unless by "states right issue" you mean subject to the whims of SCOTUS about when a pregnancy is viable and other issues. If SCOTUS actually rules for Texas and their 20-week abortion ban (the one they passed on when Arizona passed it) then we can talk about state's rights.

Personally I've always thought the substantive due process argument that underlies Roe v. Wade is goofy, and I do think abortion should probably be a state's rights issue. My only discomfort with that is practical, not legal, and it's that I think rescinding Roe would worsen the political and religious Balkanization of our country.

 

[nehalem256]

Either all abortions are murder, or all abortions aren't murder. And since people will always disagree and 90% of the time people on both sides agree that there should be some caveats there is no way to create a law or agreement that covers everything and appeases everyone. So it should be left to the person(s) involved and their doctor. If they are committing "murder" then they will have to face that fact when they meet their maker. In the mean time we should make abortion safe and rare.

What is the point of stating that?

It has always seemed to me that people saying that are implicitly saying there are moral problems with abortion. They just lack the balls to tell women not to commit murder.

 

[Texashiker]

The legal arguments why you are wrong

• 
  Having sex does not mean you give up your body rights.

• 
  
  Tell that to the judge when he/she orders you to pay child support. Either get a job and provide for your child or go to jail.
  
  So yes, when you have sex you consent to giving up certain civil liberties.
  
  
  

  After birth both parent are on the hook to provide money and it care if divorced

  
  That is a false and incorrect statement.
  
  The custodial parent does not have to do anything. They do not have to get a job, do not have to provide for the child, does not have to provide health insurance and gets free legal representation by the state attorney general.
  
  
  

  The Supreme Court says it's legal

  
  Do not even try to bring the supreme court into this discussion.
  
  If you "really" want to talk about the supreme court, lets also talk about how the court upheld slavery, upheld forced sterilization, upheld the detainment of Japanese - Americans, and recently have done nothing about the torture at gitmo.
  
  When it comes to upholding basic human rights, the supreme court is an embarrassment to the human race.
  
  
  

  Let's tackle the religious reasons

  
  I am leaving religion out of this.
  
  I will not promote or respond to any religious position on abortion.

 

[nehalem256]

Well since we've already covered the scientific arguments why you are wrong

• Both sperm and egg are alive before conception
• Fertilized eggs can be multiple babies unlike born babies
  [*]Half of fertilized eggs are miscarried naturally make nature the biggest aborter

So your argument is that if something dies naturally(which would seem to include all people) it is okay to kill them?

:hmm:

Seems like you just rationalized away all laws against murder to me :awe:

The legal arguments why you are wrong

• 
  [*]Having sex does not mean you give up your body rights.
• After birth both parent are on the hook to provide money and it care if divorced
• The Supreme Court says it's legal
• Etc

Actually it very clearly does if you are a man.

And considering that one of the SC justices recently wrote a 50 page dissent that only made sense if you pretended that Asian people don't exist... you will have to forgive me if I don't exactly have respect for them.

 

[Paratus]

Tell that to the judge when he/she orders you to pay child support. Either get a job and provide for your child or go to jail.

So yes, when you have sex you consent to giving up certain civil liberties.




That is a false and incorrect statement.

The custodial parent does not have to do anything. They do not have to get a job, do not have to provide for the child, does not have to provide health insurance and gets free legal representation by the state attorney general.




Do not even try to bring the supreme court into this discussion.

If you "really" want to talk about the supreme court, lets also talk about how the court upheld slavery, upheld forced sterilization, upheld the detainment of Japanese - Americans, and recently have done nothing about the torture at gitmo.

When it comes to upholding basic human rights, the supreme court is an embarrassment to the human race.




I am leaving religion out of this.

I will not promote or respond to any religious position on abortion.

I'm sorry Texas but one parent provides money the other actually cares for the child. If you'd rather take care of the children and receive money for that care I suggest you consider marrying a woman who makes more than you next time.

But the simple fact is after birth both parents are required to care for the child in one form or fashion. Divorce does not change the fact both parents are still responsible for care. Why do you continue to whine about your responsibility.

I'll also point out your responsibility does not occur because of sex but because of birth.

As for the religious argument you brought it up first.

 

[Fern]

So, you never read/watch the news? I already knew that you had reading issues I just didn't realize it was as large a problem as it apparently is.

Reading is fun and educational. Try it some time.

Btw, rednecks is generally considered a rather insulting term these days. Better not to use it. I certainly don't.

You're a bigot and you stereotype.

I live in the South in a town of about 20,000. I googled for abortion providers here and came up with 5 places within about 15 miles of my location.

YOU need to do some reading.

Fern

 

[Texashiker]

I'm sorry Texas but one parent provides money the other actually cares for the child.

The custodial parent is not required to do anything. They are not required to spend time with the child, not required to help support the child,,, nothing.

The parents are held to two different standards.

One parent ordered to do something or go to jail.

The other parent, nothing.

I have been there for the past 14 years.

I live in the South in a town of about 20,000. I googled for abortion providers here and came up with 5 places within about 15 miles of my location.

Shows there is still so much work left to be done.

 

[Thebobo]

You're a bigot and you stereotype.

I live in the South in a town of about 20,000. I googled for abortion providers here and came up with 5 places within about 15 miles of my location.

YOU need to do some reading.

Fern

Well Tennessee ain't as bad as ol Miss. But google's info might be out of date its still showing 2 in Mississippi.

 

[fskimospy]

The custodial parent is not required to do anything. They are not required to spend time with the child, not required to help support the child,,, nothing.

The parents are held to two different standards.

One parent ordered to do something or go to jail.

The other parent, nothing.

I have been there for the past 14 years.

Shows there is still so much work left to be done.

This is categorically false. If you are aware of a custodial parent who is doing nothing to care for the child call CPS immediately. They will not only lose custody but in some cases will face criminal charges.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

The custodial parent is not required to do anything. They are not required to spend time with the child, not required to help support the child,,, nothing.

I don't think you know what the term "custodial parent" means. They aren't required to spend time with the child or help support it.... they're only required to provide food, shelter, water, clothing and access to education or they lose custody and face potential criminal charges for child endangerment. I don't know how you can argue that custodial parents have no requirements with a straight face. That might be the stupidest thing you've ever said, and you've set a remarkably high bar already.

 

[Victorian Gray]

You're a bigot and you stereotype.

I live in the South in a town of about 20,000. I googled for abortion providers here and came up with 5 places within about 15 miles of my location.

YOU need to do some reading.

Fern

I'm a bigot and I stereotype? Cool.

Citation needed.

 

[tommo123]

Do you know what title X is?

It is a service provided all across the nation. Just find a clinic near you and go get some birth control.

Sometimes title x providers will pay for surgical sterilization.

There is no excuse to kill an unborn child when there are so many birth control options on the market.

of course there is. they're pregnant and don't want to be. their rights trumps the "rights" of a bunch of cells. whether that bunch of cells will be a person one day is irrelevant.

i hope your courts trash this law

 

[Texashiker]

of course there is. they're pregnant and don't want to be. their rights trumps the "rights" of a bunch of cells. whether that bunch of cells will be a person one day is irrelevant.

i hope your courts trash this law

People such as yourself are a form of sickness. What gives you the right to classify a group of people? What makes you any different from the nazis and slave owners?

Jews are less than Germans, so send them off to the camps.

Blacks are not able to take care of themselves so they are better off as slaves.

Native Americans are savages.

Feeble minded have no right to reproduce.

You have no right to terminate a human life. Nor do you have a right to minimize the value of life.

A mother going to an abortion clinic is no different than sending Jews to their death.

 

[UberNeuman]

Rested, relaxed and after many years, now ready to return...

\makes you a little wet in the pants. Doesn't it?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Do you have a link to where I can send money to support this clinic?

 

[Exophase]

A mother going to an abortion clinic is no different than sending Jews to their death.

And people with mentalities like yours blow up abortion clinics. I mean, it's acceptable to kill someone if it's necessary to save the life of an innocent person, right?

You only get to make all these statements because you're shouting that fetuses are people and have equal rights. It's not enough to just proclaim something like this because you say so. When people say that Jews or blacks or whoever are deserving of equal classification of personhood they do have actual tangible arguments to back it up. You, on the other hand, do not.

There are people who think that other great apes should have personhood status (mind you, they make a much better argument than anyone defending a 10 week old fetus in a human). If you dig deeper I'm sure you'll find someone who thinks that applies to other animals, maybe all animals, including the ones you and I eat. I'm sure many of them have heartbeats and brainwaves at N weeks in the womb too. Do we accept this idea of personhood just because they say so? I'm pretty sure you would not.

The funny thing is that you agree that it's okay to terminate the pregnancy before a heartbeat, because that's the magic point at which the fetus attains personhood. I'm sure other people think you're just as much of a monster for condoning that as you think everyone is a monster for condoning terminating the pregnancy just a little bit later.

 

[MongGrel]

Drive across the Mississippi state border for an abortion I guess is the easy answer.

Not that I'm condoning the practice.

 

[Victorian Gray]

A mother going to an abortion clinic is no different than sending Jews to their death.

YES! YES! YES!. IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME!!!!

 

[Thebobo]

People such as yourself are a form of sickness. What gives you the right to classify a group of people? What makes you any different from the nazis and slave owners?

Jews are less than Germans, so send them off to the camps.

Blacks are not able to take care of themselves so they are better off as slaves.

Native Americans are savages.

Feeble minded have no right to reproduce.

You have no right to terminate a human life. Nor do you have a right to minimize the value of life.

A mother going to an abortion clinic is no different than sending Jews to their death.

1. You're getting to be quite the fanatic

2. You talk big but lack the conviction to do anything substantial about it. And I don't mean violent means I mean within the law.

3. You're stressing too much about something you have zero control over.

4. Stress is a killer so by your actions you are minimizing of your own life and thus violating your own morals.