Missed a doctors appointment they want to pay up. What can they do?

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MagnusTheBrewer

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One reason for the wait is because of people like you not learning to use a calendar. Reminding you of an appointment that you made is nice of them, but they shouldn't need to.

Personal responsibility, it's a good thing.
B.s.. they overbook just like the airlines to maximize revenue. Medicine is big bidness. I refuse to live my life around the doctor's schedule. Most of the time, it's not even the doctor, it's the nurse being pissy. I'm tired of filling out their paperwork on my time, doing their due diligence and, putting up with the abomination of risk management. I don't blame them for not having a cure, I blame them for not considering quality of life even though I beat them over the head about it every time I see them. There's some decent people working in the field but, they all willingly follow big pharma and treat hospital policy like it was handed down by God.
 
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I've heard of this with certain doctors - and whenever they tell me that it is their policy (regardless of if they are trying to charge me for it or not) I simply don't return to that doctor or their place that represent s that policy.

The concept of the doctor being able to be 1.5 hours late for MY fucking appointment being acceptable - but me being 15 minutes late for traffic is UNACCEPTABLE - All I can do is respond with go fuck yourself. If you want to try and charge me a fee for that good-luck - I won't pay it and you will have no grounds to stand-on for trying to charge it to me in anyway.
 
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Pay it. They put that crap on your credit and you'll take a hit for several years on your FICO score.







And then burn down their building.


It's not exactly difficult to challenge things on your credit report - and when they have to prove it after you challenge it what are they going to say? We provided a service of nothing therefore you owe us a $25 fee?
 
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The only question that maters: Did you make a doctors appointment and then miss it without giving them 24 hours notice or not? If so then pay them. I find it hard to believe you don't know how you missed the appointment.

None of the excuses about the doc being new or you not liking the place or you being mad they had the nerve to bill you for a missed appointment mater. Pay what you owe.

Sorry, I'm all for "following the rules" but you can go fuck yourself when I wait 1.5 hours because you can't keep a doctor schedule straight. My time is just as valuable - but since we (as the patients) are understanding people, we don't bitch and moan and instead understand that things happen in life. Door wings both ways.

If any doctor or office expects me to pay a fee for issues with appointments I would laugh in their face - and I guarantee they wouldn't collect a penny. If anything they would lose money trying to fight it.
 

Darwin333

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I've had many many doctors offices tell me they'll send me a reminder in the mail and a voice message because they don't "do" email and, then not do it. Fortunately, none have had the balls to try and charge me for a missed appointment. That's just bs. Tell me how many times you've gotten in to see your doctor within 15 minutes of your scheduled time? Yeah, me neither. Screw them

Yeah, they stack people up like cattle hoping just to move them through. Then they get a person that either has a real issue or thinks they do and they have to spend more than the 15 minutes they "prescribed" to that person. Get a few of those in a day and shit gets backed up but have you ever noticed how it suddenly goes faster towards the end of the day?
 

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Sorry, I'm all for "following the rules" but you can go fuck yourself when I wait 1.5 hours because you can't keep a doctor schedule straight. My time is just as valuable - but since we (as the patients) are understanding people, we don't bitch and moan and instead understand that things happen in life. Door wings both ways.

If any doctor or office expects me to pay a fee for issues with appointments I would laugh in their face - and I guarantee they wouldn't collect a penny. If anything they would lose money trying to fight it.
I've never had to wait 1.5 hours to see my doctor. I don't think I've ever waited more than 5-10 minutes, in fact. If your doctor pulls that kind of crap on you then you need a new doctor.

But you need to stop implying that it's somehow the norm for all doctors so you can justify refusing to pay for missing an appointment without 24 hours notice. This isn't about rules. It's about personal integrity, which some seem to lack. Or you value less than $50.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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I've never had to wait 1.5 hours to see my doctor. I don't think I've ever waited more than 5-10 minutes, in fact. If your doctor pulls that kind of crap on you then you need a new doctor.

But you need to stop implying that it's somehow the norm for all doctors so you can justify refusing to pay for missing an appointment without 24 hours notice. This isn't about rules. It's about personal integrity, which some seem to lack. Or you value less than $50.
seeing your doctor within 5 to 10 minutes is definitely NOT the norm. Check your privilege. My personal integrity is just fine and is not dependent upon paying the doctor's office for a missed appointment. When was the last time you paid a restaurant for a missed reservation?
 
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Paladin3

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seeing your doctor within 5 to 10 minutes is definitely NOT the norm. Check your privilege. My personal integrity is just fine and is not dependent upon paying the doctor's office for a missed appointment. When was the last time you paid a restaurant for a missed reservation?

Hahaha, playing the check your privilege card! Now it's too much to expect appointments to be kept! I assume that like every doctor on the planet, yours had you sign paperwork telling you that you would be billed for missed appointments and whatever your insurance doesn't cover. So, yep, it says something special about you if you go back on your word. Just remember, you are saying $50 >>> your personal integrity.
 
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I've never had to wait 1.5 hours to see my doctor. I don't think I've ever waited more than 5-10 minutes, in fact. If your doctor pulls that kind of crap on you then you need a new doctor.

But you need to stop implying that it's somehow the norm for all doctors so you can justify refusing to pay for missing an appointment without 24 hours notice. This isn't about rules. It's about personal integrity, which some seem to lack. Or you value less than $50.

You obviously don't see doctors very often. I'm guessing you see a PCP general practitioner and that's it? Because that is the only doctor I have that doesn't have ridiculous wait times.

Anytime I see my neurologist, for instance, I must schedule my appointment out at least 5 months in advance. Furthermore, the day of my appointment it is normal for me to sit in the waiting room for 1hr+. It's entirely normal in all walks of life, and especially where I live in a major city. Do you live in a rural area perhaps?

Another poster hit the nail on the head in that while its not necessarily the doctors fault, the facilities that employ them do things like hedge their bets - often making appointments for every 15 minutes. You know damn well as I do that typical doc appointments are longer than 15 minutes - hence they are just hoping that some of the appointments don't show up. Again, I don't fault the doctors persay. They don't make their schedules they just execute them.

So like I said, this is normal for me. It's normal across my kids doctors, dermatologists, or any other specialists. You would understand if you lived in my area and had to see docs often. I'm willing to bet it's very normal for other ATOT members and well - and that's part of the reason I would laugh in the face of any doctor office that wants to charge me a fee.
 
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It's not exactly difficult to challenge things on your credit report - and when they have to prove it after you challenge it what are they going to say? We provided a service of nothing therefore you owe us a $25 fee?
My wife's and my personal experience recently has been that doctor's appointments are pretty much done on time. Dont think either of us has had to wait more than 5 or 10 minutes past the appointment time in any recent appointments. It may not be fair, but in most cases one *will* be charged if they dont show up within a certain amount of time of the appointment. OTOH it is "fair" or perhaps necessary that patients be penalized for not showing up or giving sufficient notice. If a large portion of the scheduled patients did not show up, it would simply be keeping others away from seeing the doctor when in fact they could have. In any case, one can argue, rant and rave, and refuse to pay. Yes, one can challenge the credit report, but getting the item removed might not be quite so easy.
 

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Pay it. It's $50. So what? They slotted you a time they could have given someone else and you didn't show. As far as meeting the appointment time, schedule for as early in the day as you can. First appointment in the day if possible. Pick a different day if it will get you an earlier time. No chance of schedules slipping that way.
 

Paladin3

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You obviously don't see doctors very often. I'm guessing you see a PCP general practitioner and that's it? Because that is the only doctor I have that doesn't have ridiculous wait times.

Anytime I see my neurologist, for instance, I must schedule my appointment out at least 5 months in advance. Furthermore, the day of my appointment it is normal for me to sit in the waiting room for 1hr+. It's entirely normal in all walks of life, and especially where I live in a major city. Do you live in a rural area perhaps?

Another poster hit the nail on the head in that while its not necessarily the doctors fault, the facilities that employ them do things like hedge their bets - often making appointments for every 15 minutes. You know damn well as I do that typical doc appointments are longer than 15 minutes - hence they are just hoping that some of the appointments don't show up. Again, I don't fault the doctors persay. They don't make their schedules they just execute them.

So like I said, this is normal for me. It's normal across my kids doctors, dermatologists, or any other specialists. You would understand if you lived in my area and had to see docs often. I'm willing to bet it's very normal for other ATOT members and well - and that's part of the reason I would laugh in the face of any doctor office that wants to charge me a fee.

Oh, now you know me? Your're going to tell me what my experiences have been? I may live out in the sticks, but we have a shortage of doctors and facilities here. And I still haven't had to wait more than 5-10 minutes for my doctors. And I was born in Burbank, California. I grew up in Los Angeles County and lived there more than 30 years where we had three kids and saw plenty of doctors. I also lived in the North San Francisco Bay area for four years and visited docs in that area. For the last 10ish years I've lived in small town North Idaho, but I've been around. I've spent more time in the big city than many.

I've seen lots of doctors. I've waiting multiple hours in emergency rooms, and one time I waited with my wife for almost two hours to see her OBGYN because he was called to the hospital for an emergency patient in labor. We wouldn't have waited, except she was in the final trimester and due the following week so we needed to see him.

And five years ago my wife was diagnosed with stage 4 colorectal cancer. We saw lots of specialist, surgeons, radiologists and doctors and never had more than a 15 minute wait for the entire 19 months she fought that shit before passing. So, keep your fucking mouth shut about what I've lived through and what you think I know.

But, anyway, none of that matters. The OP almost certainly signed a responsibility to pay document with his doctor. It absolutely would have included that the patient is responsible for missed appointments with less than 24 hours notice. End of discussion.

Do both of us a favor and don't reply to this post. Just give up, because you will never convince me that you don't have a responsibility to keep your word.
 
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Oh, now you know me? Your're going to tell me what my experiences have been? I may live out in the sticks, but we have a shortage of doctors and facilities here. And I still haven't had to wait more than 5-10 minutes for my doctors. And I was born in Burbank, California. I grew up in Los Angeles County and lived there more than 30 years where we had three kids and saw plenty of doctors. I also lived in the North San Francisco Bay area for four years and visited docs in that area. For the last 10ish years I've lived in small town North Idaho, but I've been around. I've spent more time in the big city than many.

I've seen lots of doctors. I've waiting multiple hours in emergency rooms, and one time I waited with my wife for almost two hours to see her OBGYN because he was called to the hospital for an emergency patient in labor. We wouldn't have waited, except she was in the final trimester and due the following week so we needed to see him.

And five years ago my wife was diagnosed with stage 4 colorectal cancer. We saw lots of specialist, surgeons, radiologists and doctors and never had more than a 15 minute wait for the entire 19 months she fought that shit before passing. So, keep your fucking mouth shut about what I've lived through and what you think I know.

But, anyway, none of that matters. The OP almost certainly signed a responsibility to pay document with his doctor. It absolutely would have included that the patient is responsible for missed appointments with less than 24 hours notice. End of discussion.

Do both of us a favor and don't reply to this post. Just give up, because you will never convince me that you don't have a responsibility to keep your word.

Calm yourself broceritops and reread my post in a non pissed off way. I wasnt trying to belittle you or act like I know you but rather simply have a discussion.

I can tell the butt hurt is strong here.

Also I'm sure you read all your agreements just like you read every EULA that you've agreed to. You probably sold your soul at some point without realizing it.
 

Elganja

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Exactly. If you didn't show up and didn't bother to notify them then it is your fault and you do owe them the cash monies.

Getting blackout drunk and having no memory of why you missed it is no excuse :)

get out of here with that logically reasoning... so many people don't want to take responsibility for their actions
 

TheVrolok

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B.s.. they overbook just like the airlines to maximize revenue. Medicine is big bidness. I refuse to live my life around the doctor's schedule. Most of the time, it's not even the doctor, it's the nurse being pissy. I'm tired of filling out their paperwork on my time, doing their due diligence and, putting up with the abomination of risk management. I don't blame them for not having a cure, I blame them for not considering quality of life even though I beat them over the head about it every time I see them. There's some decent people working in the field but, they all willingly follow big pharma and treat hospital policy like it was handed down by God.

Please. As I sit here right now my first patient (scheduled at 8 am) arrived at 8:06. That means she won't be ready to be seen (once the nurses finish completing their required tasks) until at the earliest 8:15 which is 5 minutes before her visit ends and my next visit starts (I'm fortunate in that I get 20 minute slots!). I certainly hope she doesn't want to actually discuss anything. I am already essentially 20-25 minutes behind because of my first patient being late and the problems inherent in the system. There are absolutely problems that are physician centric that make them late, but I'll tell you this, it is primarily patient centric issues that cause the vast majority of these delays.
 

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Please. As I sit here right now my first patient (scheduled at 8 am) arrived at 8:06. That means she won't be ready to be seen (once the nurses finish completing their required tasks) until at the earliest 8:15 which is 5 minutes before her visit ends and my next visit starts (I'm fortunate in that I get 20 minute slots!). I certainly hope she doesn't want to actually discuss anything. I am already essentially 20-25 minutes behind because of my first patient being late and the problems inherent in the system. There are absolutely problems that are physician centric that make them late, but I'll tell you this, it is primarily patient centric issues that cause the vast majority of these delays.
Send her ass back out the door or, at least, cut her off when her time is up and tell her why. Maybe she'll get the hint or go somewhere else.
 

Thebobo

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Calm yourself broceritops and reread my post in a non pissed off way. I wasnt trying to belittle you or act like I know you but rather simply have a discussion.

I can tell the butt hurt is strong here.

Also I'm sure you read all your agreements just like you read every EULA that you've agreed to. You probably sold your soul at some point without realizing it.

First you say you weren't belittling then you belittle lol
 
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RadiclDreamer

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They can only drop you as a patient, unless you signed something saying you owe if you dont show they are SOL. I work in healthcare and too many docs overbook and use other tactics to make sure they never miss a second of worktime, but they do not care about your time at all. Tell them to send proof you signed for it, if they cant provide that tell them to pound sand.
 

Thebobo

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Called them to pay, they said no need first time, read policy to me and adios. This saga is now over.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Please. As I sit here right now my first patient (scheduled at 8 am) arrived at 8:06. That means she won't be ready to be seen (once the nurses finish completing their required tasks) until at the earliest 8:15 which is 5 minutes before her visit ends and my next visit starts (I'm fortunate in that I get 20 minute slots!). I certainly hope she doesn't want to actually discuss anything. I am already essentially 20-25 minutes behind because of my first patient being late and the problems inherent in the system. There are absolutely problems that are physician centric that make them late, but I'll tell you this, it is primarily patient centric issues that cause the vast majority of these delays.
And you totally ignore "those problems inherent in the system." I wasnt attacking doctors, I was attacking the system. Although doctors are definitely complicit in maintaining the status quo.
 

TheVrolok

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And you totally ignore "those problems inherent in the system." I wasnt attacking doctors, I was attacking the system. Although doctors are definitely complicit in maintaining the status quo.

I actually spend a fairly significant portion of my day fighting "the system." Lucky for me, it's sorta part of my job. That said, the general feeling from healthcare administrators (hint: they're not doctors) is "Stop whining and see more patients."

I'd like to know from where exactly do you get that doctors are "complicit in maintaining the status quo?" I can't think of a single physician who enjoys seeing a patient in 15-20 minutes. (Sure, there may be a fraction of a percent of seriously deranged individuals out there, but that's hardly reflective of "doctors"). You still think it's the 1950's and doctors are in charge, don't you?
 

TheVrolok

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Send her ass back out the door or, at least, cut her off when her time is up and tell her why. Maybe she'll get the hint or go somewhere else.

I wish, but unfortunately "it doesn't work that way." Healthcare is a service industry and "the patient is always right" is quite seriously becoming the standard.
 

highland145

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I wish, but unfortunately "it doesn't work that way." Healthcare is a service industry and "the patient is always right" is quite seriously becoming the standard.
Thankfully, I'm in low finance. I treat my customers as well as they let me.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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I wish, but unfortunately "it doesn't work that way." Healthcare is a service industry and "the patient is always right" is quite seriously becoming the standard.
i don't think doctors are in charge. I think healthcare corporations are in charge. Doctors are complicit in that they don't say no to the corporations. If you think the patient is always right is the new standard, you've not been on the patient side of dealing with healthcare corporations. Healthcare SHOULD be service industry but, has not been for a very long time.
 

TheVrolok

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i don't think doctors are in charge. I think healthcare corporations are in charge. Doctors are complicit in that they don't say no to the corporations. If you think the patient is always right is the new standard, you've not been on the patient side of dealing with healthcare corporations. Healthcare SHOULD be service industry but, has not been for a very long time.

I certainly have waited 45-60 minutes for my PCP for a routine physical. Additionally, I accompanied my father to every one of his oncology appointments and many of his treatments before his death. I know it well, and it can be tough. I just have some context and don't throw a tantrum over it. Now imagine this, it's just as tough for doctors much of the time.

Doctors saying no to corporations? What does that even mean? You have some magical thinking regarding the hierarchy in medicine. You say you know that doctors aren't in charge, but also seem to think they can dictate corporate behavior? If I refuse to see patients in a 20 min slot because I think it's absurd (and I do), I simply get fired. I like having a job.