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Miss Universe Canada yanks transgendered contestant from pageant

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0roo0roo said:
You can dance around the issue, but born with junk is born with junk.
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Even excluding mental conditions, there's a large number of physical aberrations that can cause someone to have a mix of sex chromosomes and or reproductive organs. What you're trying to play off as simple isn't, and continuing along this path would be intellectual dishonesty.
 
AyashiKaibutsu said:
Even excluding mental conditions, there's a large number of physical aberrations that can cause someone to have a mix of sex chromosomes and or reproductive organs. What you're trying to play off as simple isn't, and continuing along this path would be intellectual dishonesty.
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transgender is transgender.

jedi mind trick doesn't work dude.
 
BladeVenom said:
If you actually had a penis, walk into a female locker room, claim to not be a man, and see what the law says.
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What if you had or have a penis and fully clothed and look like the person in the op and walk into a locker room? What if you in whole or partially have both parts?
 
Oh, and I forgot to say this last time:

Given this issue keeps happening in the news ALL THE TIME, I think we need to seriously consider tranny beauty pagents and sports leagues. Seriously.
 
dennilfloss said:
Sex and gender do not always match. Being a man vs woman is not simple. There are known to be XX males (de la Chapelle syndrome). There are also XY females (Swyer syndrome).

For example, you can be a woman with AIS and have full male chromosomes http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MedicalMysteries/story?id=5465752&page=1#.T25piuVy2mY .
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AIS isn't an XY female.

AIS means the hormones that are naturally used to make a male appear male didn't have any effect on the fetus. The result may appear female but is in fact male. I guess that would make her the default install.

Remember, we all start out female until the required hormones kick in to define our sexual characteristics.

This issue was covered on a great episode of House MD - Skin Deep.
 
Iron Woode said:
AIS isn't an XY female.

AIS means the hormones that are naturally used to make a male appear male didn't have any effect on the fetus. The result may appear female but is in fact male. I guess that would make her the default install.

Remember, we all start out female until the required hormones kick in to define our sexual characteristics.

This issue was covered on a great episode of House MD - Skin Deep.
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I think most of the debate has to do with choice. If someone who was clearly male chooses to become female by whatever method science offers, people are going to resist the idea of "calling" that person female. People also have a certain resistance to the idea of referring to someone by a name that they chose for themselves, having changed it from their given name. For some reason it seems like trying to cheat at life, and people resent it.
 
Iron Woode said:
AIS isn't an XY female.

AIS means the hormones that are naturally used to make a male appear male didn't have any effect on the fetus. The result may appear female but is in fact male. I guess that would make her the default install.

Remember, we all start out female until the required hormones kick in to define our sexual characteristics.

This issue was covered on a great episode of House MD - Skin Deep.
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I did not say female. I said woman.
 
I'm sorry but a real man doesn't begin to question his gender at the age of 4. Clearly she was born a guy, and with a penis, but her brain structure said otherwise.
 
After watching the video linked in the OP's post and listening to her during the interview - I can understand why she was questioned further.

However, it's not like this is a sporting event - and she has all of the female parts in the right places - and considers herself to be a female - I'd say let her compete.
 
Newbian said:
Who knows depending what was done in surgery and what was still left behind when she was a he.
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You mean, apart from her physical attributes, she might be artificially endowed with an unnatural ability to answer inane questions that are supposed to test what wonderful people they are?

If they explicitly rule out any cosmetic surgery, then this contestant has a problem. Something tells me that they don't rule that out.
 
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