Miss Universe Canada yanks transgendered contestant from pageant

[chimaxi83]

In the video at airport (?), looks like any other chick. Sunbathing, there is a manly bone structure in the face lol. Ridge at the eyebrows. At least to me.

 

[0roo0roo]

funny how you try to lump the genetics of sex determination into the same category as genetic disease--two very, very different mechanisms. (and yes, Michael Jackson very much had a not-uncommon skin disease found in blacks. Vitiglio)

So,
XY= male
XX = female?

hands down?

end of story?




Evolutionarily speaking, sex determination involves interplay and information from genes found on the autosomes (non sex chromosomes) as well as a handful of gender (male)-specific genes that exist on the Y-chromosome.

Consider that the current iteration of the Y is essentially a degenerate, ancient X chromosome. In some species, a shrimpy Y is fused to an arm of the X chromosome.

Now, because the Y chromosome is indeed disappearing due to the fact that it doesn't recombine (one of the more important mechanisms of driving novel genetic information in sexual reproduction), it stands to reason, then, that sex determination is and most be completely valid through other mechanisms--the very real possibility that gender specific genes can and will migrate to other regions, or simply lose their necessity.

Plenty of species exist today that have completely tossed the Y--males that are characterized as XO, and of course systems in many, many animals (all birds, and many snakes, where females are heterogametic and males are homogametic). Then there is the noble platypus, with 10 sex chromosomes).

So, while sex chromosomes are, indeed, essential for determining sex in species, it doesn't tell the whole story.

Y isn't shrinking...google it. It was an old an early faulty assumption made the same way they labeled some dna junk dna just because they assumed way too much..

 

[zinfamous]

Y isn't shrinking...google it. It was an old an early faulty assumption made the same way they labeled some dna junk dna just because they assumed way too much..

Oh shit, I must be in the wrong profession, then.



yes--of course it is shrinking. It's a simple matter of loss of information due to lack of recombination. You simply can not make this not true.

You are referring to the "googled" article that was recently carried by New Scientist?

The rate was adjusted, by that group, but it really changes nothing. The Hughes group estimated "well, it won't happen in 4 million years..." Well, no shit. The general projection had been 75 million years.


Has the human Y chromosome never "shrunk?" I don't know...but 125k years of human existence on earth isn't quite geologic time, so....

It is pretty much fact that the Y is currently about 19 genes of what used to be 800 or 820 genes.

how the fuck did it not shrink?

 

[dennilfloss]

Jenna's being interviewed by Barbara Walters in a video at the bottom of this page. There's also a pic of her in 8th grade.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-allow-transgender-contestants-compete.html

Edit: Whole 20/20 interview can be watched here: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/ .

 

[0roo0roo]

Oh shit, I must be in the wrong profession, then.



yes--of course it is shrinking. It's a simple matter of loss of information due to lack of recombination. You simply can not make this not true.

You are referring to the "googled" article that was recently carried by New Scientist?

The rate was adjusted, by that group, but it really changes nothing. The Hughes group estimated "well, it won't happen in 4 million years..." Well, no shit. The general projection had been 75 million years.


Has the human Y chromosome never "shrunk?" I don't know...but 125k years of human existence on earth isn't quite geologic time, so....

It is pretty much fact that the Y is currently about 19 genes of what used to be 800 or 820 genes.

how the fuck did it not shrink?

projection based on what? past assumptions?

they found that the genes left are kind of vital, which kind of protects its existence permanently. unless you can prove different that logic seems pretty...logical.

 

[bradley]

At this stage of the thread, two observations: societies that lay claim to being comparatively more advanced and erudite usually aren't and educated guesses are still guesses.

 

[mmntech]

Frankly, I just don't understand the whole transgendered thing. If you're genetically male, I don't know how one could "feel" female. Though that's assuming it's not genetic. There's not a lot of research into the causes, at least according to Wikipedia. Likely because it's a political hot potato.

I'll keep my comments to myself, as they will definitely be deemed politically incorrect. As for this gentlemen who has been barred from the pageant, I get the feeling this is more publicity stunt than genuine crusade for tolerance.

 

[Howard]

As for this gentlemen who has been barred from the pageant, I get the feeling this is more publicity stunt than genuine crusade for tolerance.

You have made quite a few people officially gay.