Miss California in *****NUDE***** Pics being released to tabloids ***NOT JUST UNDERWEAR PICS***

[RagingBITCH]

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[BoberFett]

Oh look, another Phokus thread. Lucky us. :roll:

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Queasy
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Personally, I think government needs to get the hell out of the marriage business. Why do we have to have marriage recognized by the government? We don't. It's just another form of taxation and control and these sort of problems are inevitable because of it.

It's all about money. The moral arguments are just fluff and misdirection for the gullible.

People got government intervention when they started taking their fights about property and money from divorce and death into courts.

Exactly. Get the government out of the marriage business and just let people who decide they want to live together in a relationship work out a civil contract.

Sounds simple enough. But then how would claims be adjudicated?

And kids from divorce need to be considered - an enormous can of worms. The more problems with the kid's environment, the more the state will have to pay later.

On the surface, it appears that the government is against gay marriage. Looking from the money angle again, I've always thought it was the insurance companies (and their lobbyists) that are desperately against it because of the possibility of more claims.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Queasy
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Personally, I think government needs to get the hell out of the marriage business. Why do we have to have marriage recognized by the government? We don't. It's just another form of taxation and control and these sort of problems are inevitable because of it.

It's all about money. The moral arguments are just fluff and misdirection for the gullible.

People got government intervention when they started taking their fights about property and money from divorce and death into courts.

Exactly. Get the government out of the marriage business and just let people who decide they want to live together in a relationship work out a civil contract.

That would work as long as there is no tax code, hospital, etc... rules for married vs unmarried.

How would you feel if you were told you could not see your SO because you don;t have a peice of paper saying you are together yet the state/fed will not give you one. Even though you have been together 20+ years etc...

Wow. Which part of the statement "get the government out of the marriage business" did you not understand?

 

[rasczak]

'm shameless. please pm the noodz.

 

[Joemonkey]

PM plz

 

[moparacer]

Either my google powers are failing me or the definition of nude is being diluted.

Liberals have a way of diluting just about anything when it suits there agenda......

 

[rasczak]

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: NFS4
I must say, I too feel that marriage should be between a man and a woman, but I'm fully capable of hearing other sides of the argument without getting all pissy.

I'm against people dressing up their dogs in clothing, but since it doesn't hurt me or anyone else and seems to make a bunch of people really really happy, I'm not going to support legislation to ban it.

Really! You'd be up for a union between a man and a dog too? Lets write that into law. Of course that doesn't hurt you so it must be okay right?

so long as the man can make the dog happy, then i'm all for it.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: JS80
I support gay marriage. A gay man and a gay woman who gets married should be recognized by the state.

absolutely.

Yep, and pre- Loving v Virginia black people could get married too, so what was their beef? People complain too much. Civil rights civil schmites.

two different arguments. one is based on the amount of pigment in a person's skin the other is based on a person's actions/choice.

lol, stuck in the 1950s are we? Let us know when you change your mind and go gay since you just admitted to finding men sexually attractive and simply choosing women instead.

yes, and don't forget that apparently two heteros marrying must not be a choice if one is to support JDub's method argument. (Seeing as how marriage determined on "choice" should not be legally protected)

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Queasy
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Personally, I think government needs to get the hell out of the marriage business. Why do we have to have marriage recognized by the government? We don't. It's just another form of taxation and control and these sort of problems are inevitable because of it.

It's all about money. The moral arguments are just fluff and misdirection for the gullible.

People got government intervention when they started taking their fights about property and money from divorce and death into courts.

Exactly. Get the government out of the marriage business and just let people who decide they want to live together in a relationship work out a civil contract.

That would work as long as there is no tax code, hospital, etc... rules for married vs unmarried.

How would you feel if you were told you could not see your SO because you don;t have a peice of paper saying you are together yet the state/fed will not give you one. Even though you have been together 20+ years etc...

Wow. Which part of the statement "get the government out of the marriage business" did you not understand?

What part of "hospital" did you not understand.

Marriage goes further then the goverment in many areas. Look at car insurance rates with M vs Non-M and so forth.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: ivan2
would someone please PM me the links to the pics, thank you.

PM's gotten, thank you JohnCU.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: OUCaptain
Either my google powers are failing me or the definition of nude is being diluted. All I can find is a picture of her back and a bit of side boob. Don't get me wrong, I love side boob as much as everyone else, but can I at least get a nipple.

PM of anything better? Sad as it may be, with this much hype, I want to see more.

A nude picture of someone's back is still a nude picture.

.......

he must be in the middle east

LOL no. Nude just means without clothes. I'm an artist and it's very common to draw or paint a nude in a pose where her breasts or vagina are not visible. That does not make the piece any less nude.

However, in the photo I saw, Prejean was wearing panties, so it wasn't totally nude, but still topless.

What if she's "topless" and you can only see her bare back BUT she's also wearing pasties? You wouldn't even know! Are pasties clothing enough to change the definition of "nude"? If a girl is wearing pasties but has her back to the camera, do the pasties even exist?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
No here full answer was...

"We live in a land where you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite. And you know what, I think in my country, in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman. No offense to anybody out there, but that's how I was raised."

We do NOT live in a nation where you can choose. It is against federal law; the Defense of Marriage act says so. I do HR for the Fed Gov so I know this well due to regs.

And now race is not apples to oranges. Look at the history of marriage.
?There have been countless restrictions placed on marriage by different societies throughout human history, including recently. Restrictions against polygamy and marrying within a particular group or race have been common.?
Marriage was between the same race, country people, or even social classes. In the US religious people were against removing laws that kept blacks from marrying white and used the same hate speech that is used today against gays being able to marry.

I'm trying not to turn this into a P&N thread anymore than it already is but I still don't find the comparison to interracial marriage and the pro-gay marriage movement to be a valid one. And you're talking to a guy in an interracial marriage.

I also don't think Prejean said anything particularly objectionable. She stated her personal belief to a highly charged question (that probably shouldn't have been asked in that setting to begin with) in probably the least offensive way possible. The response from the other side has been absolutely jaw-dropping though. They are on an all out mission to completely destroy her now.

I'll just go back and state my personal belief that this is yet another area in our lives that government needs to get the hell out of.

Yeah, I agree. I support gay marriage but I agree that the response to this was way out of proportion with what she said. Unfortunately there are plenty of people in this thread who have decided that anyone who disagrees with her opinion must be some sort of loud-mouthed idiot. It sure makes arguing easier when you pretend that everyone you disagree with is an extremist asshole.

well, the thread seemed a bit more tame, initially. Only when the same rehashed slippery slope arguments showed up and this became more of a gay marriage issue thread than the issues concerning her treatment in the media...it got more nasty.

I maintained early on that I think she's being treated unfairly, this is why out of proportion, and yet I totally disagree with her comments. I think Parez Hilton is way out of line in using this moment to insert himself into the crusade.

I'll admit though that her hotness might have something to do with my sympathy
Parez Hilton could very well be the one making the same comments as she in public, and I might totally be on him about expressing such opinions....

 

[JohnCU]

i posted the link in the babe thread, should be ok for AT L&R

 

[Barfo]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: OUCaptain
Either my google powers are failing me or the definition of nude is being diluted. All I can find is a picture of her back and a bit of side boob. Don't get me wrong, I love side boob as much as everyone else, but can I at least get a nipple.

PM of anything better? Sad as it may be, with this much hype, I want to see more.

A nude picture of someone's back is still a nude picture.

.......

he must be in the middle east

LOL no. Nude just means without clothes. I'm an artist and it's very common to draw or paint a nude in a pose where her breasts or vagina are not visible. That does not make the piece any less nude.

However, in the photo I saw, Prejean was wearing panties, so it wasn't totally nude, but still topless.

What if she's "topless" and you can only see her bare back BUT she's also wearing pasties? You wouldn't even know! Are pasties clothing enough to change the definition of "nude"? If a girl is wearing pasties but has her back to the camera, do the pasties even exist?

Only if you take the blue pill.

 

[Turin39789]

hi

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Kadarin
In spite of her fucked up intolerant religious beliefs, she is hot...

So you tolerate rapists, murderers, thieves, etc?

If not, then your intolerant beliefs are that which are fucked up, right?

Perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to judge.

Uh, wat?

I dislike her religious beliefs, and I find her to be physically attractive. What are you assuming that I'm so quick to judge about?

 

[UberNeuman]

This thread is sadly lacking in bare titty.....

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
This thread is sadly lacking in bare titty.....

You're welcome to post the naked titties and get a vacation courtesy of the stuck-up mod.

 

[jonks]

Ruh-oh!

http://www.google.com/hostedne...x99CyZNL4HIVAD9809BUG1

Calif. pageant eyes Prejean for contract violation



Can't they leave this poor girl and her breasts alone?

"Marriage is good," Prejean said at a news conference announcing the ad campaign. "There is something special about unions of husband and wife. Unless we bring men and women together, children will not have mothers and fathers."

B/c if we let the gayz marry, heteros won't? logik!

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: JohnCU
i posted the link in the babe thread, should be ok for AT L&R

That's about as scandalous as a SI Swimsuit edition.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: JohnCU
i posted the link in the babe thread, should be ok for AT L&R

That's about as scandalous as a SI Swimsuit edition.

 

[lokiju]

PM?

 

[JohnCU]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: JohnCU
i posted the link in the babe thread, should be ok for AT L&R

That's about as scandalous as a SI Swimsuit edition.

there's more to come.

 

[zerocool84]

The pics aren't even that bad. They don't even show anything. She's covered up. She IS a model people. She IS going to pose.