Mirrors Edge Video

[chizow]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: Wreckage
I really can't think of any video card feature in the last several years that has had as great an impact on game play.

Game play? So far I don't know of any popular release where it affects game play, just ones where it adds a little more eye candy.

Out of curiosity is there a list of games where PhysX affects game play beyond adding extra debris and such?

I doubt there will be any major distinction in gameplay with PhysX or without for some time. Its one thing to make objects fully interactable, but to enable alternative gameplay based on PhysX wouldn't make sense until it was standard.

For example, using the Mirror's Edge video as an example. Say you wanted to get down from one of those rooftops. A machine with PhysX might be able to grab onto the banner, shoot it once and slide down as the banner tore. A machine without PhysX would jump and grab onto nothing since there's nothing there, falling to a horrible death. And that just wouldn't do, would it?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Cell Factor is a great example of PhysX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3TU65KaPXI

The fact that NVIDIA has given this feature to every recent card owner for free is unprecedented.

I really can't think of any video card feature in the last several years that has had as great an impact on game play.

Other than partisan trolling, I can not see a reason to complain about such a great freebie.

If I didn't know who you were I'd actually think this was a sarcastic post. Physx has done nothing for game play. It added some banners to shoot through and I noticed more windows breaking and particles. As you said though, it's free, so why not if you have it. But I certainly would not go out of my way to get a card with it yet. Maybe once it actually does something for game play.

Anyone else notice it looks like the Physx video slows down more then the w/o Physx video?

 

[JACKDRUID]

its sad some people are so biased they just can't see PhysX as a great technology that would greatly enchance gameplay, what a shame.

its not Nvidia specific, as you can always use your CPU to accelerate it. I believe Nvidia tried to work with ATI on adding PhysX support, but it was ATI who refused...

people really should appreciate it more, to force ATI to adopt to the technology.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
its sad some people are so biased they just can't see PhysX as a great technology that would greatly enchance gameplay, what a shame.

*snip*

people really should appreciate it more, to force ATI to adopt to the technology.

I think its not that people are biased or don't appreciate it, it's that hardware physics has been hyped up so much and actually delivered so little that people are disappointed/bored with the whole issue.

Off topic: I long ago gave up on getting excited by extra features promised by GPU's that don't arrive or under perform (video encode, cuda/stream, physX, etc).

I buy Gpu's to play games, and I guess that probably 90% of other buyers are the same.

 

[nosfe]

i'm guessing that Physx will go the way of dx10.1, they'll both become irrelevant when dx11 arrives

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: The J
The PhysX stuff in the video looks pretty while watching it, but I can't really say that I'd notice it while playing the game.

That's what I think about most usage of physx. It looks nice when you're looking for it but honestly during game play it's not a deal breaker if something more rudimentary was there instead. It's not exactly something I think most people look at when they're blasting something away or whatnot.

I don't even know how you can say that when theoretically the goal is to make the games look as close to real life as possible.

Remember RTCW? How when you shot or stabbed a Nazi flag it looked like shattering glass? Cloth doesn't shatter, it rips.

Having cloth not move, shatter, wooden things withstand rockets, no weather- all that stuff only serves to remind a person they're in a very unrealistic environment.

The point is "virtual reality" and PhysX brings us closer to it. By definition, that's not a bad thing.

 

[Genx87]

lol at people downplaying PhysX. I loved this technology when it was a standalone card a couple of years ago. But I felt it was ahead of its time. Now we are going to start seeing this technology arrive piecemeail over the next few years. Once we get a nice baseline for Physx it will really take off. This is a requirement for games to become more realistic.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: Genx87
lol at people downplaying PhysX.

lol at people getting excited about a few demo's and a game thats at best Meh. :roll:

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
its sad some people are so biased they just can't see PhysX as a great technology that would greatly enchance gameplay, what a shame.

It's almost like jealousy really.

I'm glad for it. I can't think of any other technology in the last 5 years that can add so much to a game.

When you look at how many people discuss AA/AF performance and those have zero potential to add to gameplay.

Trust me if their favored company had it they would be singing about it from the rooftops.

I'm looking forward to what EA/Take 2 bring to the table. Hopefully Id/Valve jump on board. Imagine how much true physics could add to the gravity gun or the BFG.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
its sad some people are so biased they just can't see PhysX as a great technology that would greatly enchance gameplay, what a shame.

It's almost like jealousy really.

I'm glad for it. I can't think of any other technology in the last 5 years that can add so much to a game.

When you look at how many people discuss AA/AF performance and those have zero potential to add to gameplay.

Trust me if their favored company had it they would be singing about it from the rooftops.

I'm looking forward to what EA/Take 2 bring to the table. Hopefully Id/Valve jump on board. Imagine how much true physics could add to the gravity gun or the BFG.

Dude I have a GPU that supports it. I just don't think it's anything to be excited about at the moment.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
its sad some people are so biased they just can't see PhysX as a great technology that would greatly enchance gameplay, what a shame.

It's almost like jealousy really.

I'm glad for it. I can't think of any other technology in the last 5 years that can add so much to a game.

When you look at how many people discuss AA/AF performance and those have zero potential to add to gameplay.

Trust me if their favored company had it they would be singing about it from the rooftops.

I'm looking forward to what EA/Take 2 bring to the table. Hopefully Id/Valve jump on board. Imagine how much true physics could add to the gravity gun or the BFG.

Dude I have a GPU that supports it. I just don't think it's anything to be excited about at the moment.

I assure you I'm not jealous of Physx. I just have yet to see it do something that makes me feel I need it. I'm looking forward to that happening, if it ever does. With Nvidia backing it and AMD/Intel shying away, and DX11 supposed to have it's own Physics included, I just don't know that Physx will ever catch on. What I've seen of it so far is pretty 'meh'. The potential is there, but like so many other promising technology it seems to take forever to get really going, if it ever does.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: Genx87
lol at people downplaying PhysX.

lol at people getting excited about a few demo's and a game thats at best Meh. :roll:

Well that's certainly a matter of opinion but there is no doubt that the game is worst than "Meh" without PhysX. Its like playing with the detail slider set to Low vs. Very High.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: Genx87
lol at people downplaying PhysX.

lol at people getting excited about a few demo's and a game thats at best Meh. :roll:

Well that's certainly a matter of opinion but there is no doubt that the game is worst than "Meh" without PhysX. Its like playing with the detail slider set to Low vs. Very High.

So your argument for PhysX at the moment is 'It can make a crap game slightly less crap'?

And you wonder why most people arn't getting as excited as Nvidia would like.

 

[GaiaHunter]

I still prefer stacks nailing bodies to the wall or limbs flying in every direction in painkiller then see a flag twist with a bullet.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke
So your argument for PhysX at the moment is 'It can make a crap game slightly less crap'?

And you wonder why most people arn't getting as excited as Nvidia would like.

No my point is that there are some people who will say something is crap regardless but that doesn't necessarily make it true. Look at Crysis for example, lots of people call it crap or junk, but I'm sure others thoroughly enjoyed it like I did. Your opinions of the game are purely subjective, however and Metacritic seems to disagree with you. I guess at some point you have to just start ignoring opinions from certain people if they're consistently off-base or unfounded.

And yes the PC version with PhysX will be undoubtedly better than the version those Metacritic reviewers played.

 

[nosfe]

now, i may be in a minority here but i don't notice the beautiful graphics of games for more than about 5 minutes/game and i recently upgraded my graphics card(last one was from 2002). For me, if the gameplay is good i won't have time to notice the beautifully rendered wall or some glass being broken.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: GaiaHunter
I still prefer stacks nailing bodies to the wall or limbs flying in every direction in painkiller then see a flag twist with a bullet.

No you've got it wrong. Apparently realistic curtains are where its at!!

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: Genx87
lol at people downplaying PhysX.

lol at people getting excited about a few demo's and a game thats at best Meh. :roll:

I dont really care about the gameplay. This game doesnt interest me in the least. However seeing titles using this technology is worthy of discussion. Dont be such a luddite. It is coming and we should all be excited.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: nosfe
now, i may be in a minority here but i don't notice the beautiful graphics of games for more than about 5 minutes/game and i recently upgraded my graphics card(last one was from 2002). For me, if the gameplay is good i won't have time to notice the beautifully rendered wall or some glass being broken.

One thing about this site, it seems that the majority of people here are tilted more towards the hardware enthusiast side of things then the gamer side. I like pretty graphics as much as the next guy, I like reading benchmarks to decide how my money is best spent, but I really just enjoy playing games. But, it seems that more people here then not would rather argue over two cards that get 84 and 81 FPS in a given game then just enjoy the experience.

For me the bottom line is that Physx (and technology like it) has so much potential and will probably completely change realism in games. But as of now it's done nothing important, and I wouldn't even factor it into my purchasing decision. By the time games are built from the groud up to really do the things that Physx (or another technology like it) is meant to do, it'll probably be on a different graphics card generation. I bet games where everything in the environment can be used, modified, destroyed will really have an impact in how you approach missions in games... it'll really open up a new gaming experience when done right. But extra particles and flapping banners are what we seem to have right now.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: GaiaHunter
I still prefer stacks nailing bodies to the wall or limbs flying in every direction in painkiller then see a flag twist with a bullet.

No you've got it wrong. Apparently realistic curtains are where its at!!

So what new feature in the last few year has impressed you?

I think you would be happy with integrated graphics and not need to spend the extra on a seperate video card as resolution/AA/AF/etc. don't add anything to gameplay.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: Genx87
lol at people downplaying PhysX.

lol at people getting excited about a few demo's and a game thats at best Meh. :roll:

I dont really care about the gameplay. This game doesnt interest me in the least. However seeing titles using this technology is worthy of discussion. Dont be such a luddite. It is coming and we should all be excited.

So your just interested in what Physx may or may not do in the future?

Fair enough, but I've heard enough hype from NV and ATI about how their new feature 'will change the way you use your computer?' so you'll forgive me if i wait until theres something out to be excited about.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: GaiaHunter
I still prefer stacks nailing bodies to the wall or limbs flying in every direction in painkiller then see a flag twist with a bullet.

No you've got it wrong. Apparently realistic curtains are where its at!!

So what new feature in the last few year has impressed you?

I think you would be happy with integrated graphics and not need to spend the extra on a seperate video card as resolution/AA/AF/etc. don't add anything to gameplay.

Yeah but lots of people are not starting threads saying 'OMG AA is the best 111!! its gonna change everything !!!1111!'

 

[GaiaHunter]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: GaiaHunter
I still prefer stacks nailing bodies to the wall or limbs flying in every direction in painkiller then see a flag twist with a bullet.

No you've got it wrong. Apparently realistic curtains are where its at!!

So what new feature in the last few year has impressed you?

I think you would be happy with integrated graphics and not need to spend the extra on a seperate video card as resolution/AA/AF/etc. don't add anything to gameplay.

I'm talking about a very fun game (and fun is something a game is supposed to be) from 2004 that use, oh my god the heresy, a physic engine that allows you to see enemies twitch in mid air with your shots.

Now you want me to crap my pants with excitement because there is a 2008 game that shows you a curtain twist with your shots...

Ok.

YAY PHYSICS ON CURTAINS THAT REQUIRES 2008 HARDWARE

BOOO 2004 PHYSICS ON FLYING BODIES THAT REQUIRES 2004 HARDWARE

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: GaiaHunter
I still prefer stacks nailing bodies to the wall or limbs flying in every direction in painkiller then see a flag twist with a bullet.

No you've got it wrong. Apparently realistic curtains are where its at!!

So what new feature in the last few year has impressed you?

I think you would be happy with integrated graphics and not need to spend the extra on a seperate video card as resolution/AA/AF/etc. don't add anything to gameplay.

I don't think anyone is arguing that the potential of what Physx can do for gaming isn't exciting, it's just that what is out there now that uses it isn't exciting.

For the record I don't use AA ever, I only notice it in screen shots. Like I said earlier, I like games for games, not for eye candy. I might try AA on my new 4870 just because it should have more then enough HP for my native res to push is smoothly, but I doubt I'll make it a point to use it, and if someone turned it off on a game I was playing I'd probably not even really notice.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: GaiaHunter
I still prefer stacks nailing bodies to the wall or limbs flying in every direction in painkiller then see a flag twist with a bullet.

No you've got it wrong. Apparently realistic curtains are where its at!!

So what new feature in the last few year has impressed you?

I think you would be happy with integrated graphics and not need to spend the extra on a seperate video card as resolution/AA/AF/etc. don't add anything to gameplay.

I don't think anyone is arguing that the potential of what Physx can do for gaming isn't exciting, it's just that what is out there now that uses it isn't exciting.

For the record I don't use AA ever, I only notice it in screen shots. Like I said earlier, I like games for games, not for eye candy. I might try AA on my new 4870 just because it should have more then enough HP for my native res to push is smoothly, but I doubt I'll make it a point to use it, and if someone turned it off on a game I was playing I'd probably not even really notice.

Are you being serious? I for one cant stand jagged lines. It stands out like a sore thumb. A slight movement can show the hideous face of aliased edges which looks as if its crawling. Its a shame games like deadspace dont have AA (correct me if I am wrong but I would love to use AA in this game!).