And that's the thing, people really dont want to own up the problem or racism. As someone else stated - Some white people, This board as proof, think "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil -- as a way to combat evil. Now replace "evil" with "racism" - this is why no one will even COMMENT on the findings of the study. Where are the people that will "Condem" these practices? Again why are the findings of the study OK?
How about not taking money from special interest groups and treating everyone the same regardless of race, color or even language.
Point is the system is racist. Racist either against one or another group. Maybe I'm wrong but to me it seems the system is sometimes stacked against whites or even males.
Here in Canada it's also a problem but not only do we have to put up with these things but also the language issue.
What you don't speak French? Ooops you cannot apply for a whack of government jobs and you cannot be a manager almost anywhere if you don't speak French.
Although the language issue with French isn't a problem in Western Canada. Almost nobody speaks French there. It's actually more likely that you gota speak a version of Chinese to get a job or get ahead.
Natrually me saying this it probably gets perverted by some retards that I'm some sort of skinhead or KKK members.
Ummm no. How about equality? Oh right how could you ever get political contributions if all things were equal. heh
Point is the system is racist. Racist either against one or another group. Maybe I'm wrong but to me it seems the system is sometimes stacked against whites or even males.
Here in Canada it's also a problem but not only do we have to put up with these things but also the language issue.
What you don't speak French? Ooops you cannot apply for a whack of government jobs and you cannot be a manager almost anywhere if you don't speak French.
Although the language issue with French isn't a problem in Western Canada. Almost nobody speaks French there. It's actually more likely that you gota speak a version of Chinese to get a job or get ahead.
Natrually me saying this it probably gets perverted by some retards that I'm some sort of skinhead or KKK members.
Ummm no. How about equality? Oh right how could you ever get political contributions if all things were equal. heh
Why are you directing this to US? How are things stack against white people? Did you NOT just see the concusion of the study.....A white FELON gets a job over a black person with a clean record. WHO should start treating everyone the same? What do you expect people to do with practices like this... This is a problem with racsim by whites toward blacks....People need to stop giving suggestions to black people to fix the problem, and start critizing and education white people with the power to make the change that needs to be made. This is not a problem that WE created. PLEASE comment on the STUDY. What can be done to improve the outcome of the STUDY.
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Point is the system is racist. Racist either against one or another group. Maybe I'm wrong but to me it seems the system is sometimes stacked against whites or even males.
Beat around the bush (no pun) if you want. The "System" is racist agains black people, address the problem, "Speak the evil" instead of hiding it. Why can you just say it?
I don't see what's wrong when making judgements based on peoples skin color. As long as there is a reason for that.
A very very large portion of crime in the states are comitted by blacks. That's why there's affirmative action, to work against the negative social heritage.
Whether it's working or not i do not know, but atleast someone is trying.
A very very large portion of crime in the states are comitted by blacks. That's why there's affirmative action, to work against the negative social heritage.
Whether it's working or not i do not know, but atleast someone is trying.
The problem with making judgements based on skin colour is that those who don't fit (mis)conceptions of them will feel marginalized and may well feel wrongly accused when they are judged. It encourages the status quo. If everyone assumes I'm a criminal because of my skin colour, I may as well be one: I'll be treated the same either way.
It's got nothing to do with being criminal. It's about letting more black people than white people in, because america seriously needs to break that bad trend going on between black people. Education does not only affect the educated one.
Racial profiling, is problematic, as everyone should be treated equal, there i agree.
The white people in this country didn't make this problem. The slaves were taken captive and sold by native tribes(ie. Uncles and brothers of the enslaved) to the traders. The only reason it is an issue in this country and not in others is because it has been dwelled upon for decades. The issue has all but disappeared in the other nations of similar stature to the US during the slave trade days. Why is that? Concession after concession to no avail by the government and the sympathetic.. It is a drum that will comtinue to be beat as long as it yields results. As long as the drum is beating , so will be the resentment and the racist attitudes." We" didn"t do it, and we don't want to pay for it. It is a fact of world history , not US history,and should be taught as such.
AA is not necessary in this or any other civilized capitoist country. Personal responsibility and civic duty are necessary. When that is the norm in the black community , the attitudes will change and the respect will follow. You can argue and apologize all you want , but until that happens, racism will continue to be fueled by the constant "black" cry. No other race or creed in this country who has integrated into this country faces these issues today on a grandf scale. It is only the "Afro-American" members of society who seem unable( I believe unwilling ) to integrate in to the system.Even with the fallout of 9-11 on the Middle Eastern citizens , in particular the Muslim sects, have been able to maintain respect and coexist peacefully.African citizens who come here today are disgusted with what they find to be the "black community" here. It isn't really a race issue , but one of an attitude shared only by native black citizens and the sympathizers or antagonists of those very ideas. As long as the attitude is allowed to continue , so will the problems. It is used by politicians and profiteers on both sides to continue the derision and division while benefiting from it at the same time.
Here's a real breakthrough for you. How about not commiting felonies in the first place.As usual , the stats are scewed. Bring in some real numbers that represent a true segment of society by percentages, You just may learn something and maybe even realize where the attitudes come from.
How about making changes in the justice system so that the evidence actually gets presented. Screw precedent. Just because a judge in a preivious case made a bad decision shouldn't mean another judge has to follow his lead.
This country is all aboout ME! How can I get re-elected, how can I get away with what I did, how can I get what you have, how can I get rich so I don't have to work. Face it, we live in an apathetic superaffluent country. Screw you , how can I get what I want?
JESUS CHRIST! YOUR ASSIGNING NO GUILT TO WHITE PEOPLE FOR IMPORTING AFRICANS?!?!?!! the only reason the other tribes captured and sold captives is because their was a MARKET FOR IT!!!!
You are correct. I do assign no guilt to "white" people for importing slaves. It was acceptable at that time. I'm sorrry if you can't accept that this and other countries have seen the error in that and moved on. Many other people have been persecuted and or discriminated against that have overcome the issues to be successful. It is time for the black people to let history be history and work toward the future.
As far as the hiring practices go , the only resolution for it is to take on the struggle internally and change the way black people are seen. The perceptions aren't that far from reality for the majority. Those that rise above the issues need to lead others in success to change the perception. The absolute worst thing you can be in the black community is a successful light skinned black. They have as much a stereotype problem within the ranks as the nation as a whole does. They as a people need to fix it. Giving them concessions exacorbates the situation. It is not , nor will it ever be a solution. When you find that they argue as citizens , and not as black people , you will also find they get a lot more attention. There is no support for the community by the community. Exploitation and undermining of success for a few to profit and the rest to be oppressed is the reality for now. Change that and you will have a good start. Although I regularly hear "the white man keeping a brother down" in this city , I also see the brother doing just that. Success in the world is not accepted by the black people. You have to be an "Uncle Tom" to accept the ways of society and succeed. When you change that and the black people make a concerted effort to join and be a part of the society as a whole , you will see a drastic difference. Drugs treat depression. Leadership and education fix oppression.By education , I mean realizing and accepting things as they are and changing them, in conjunction with schooling in the three R's. No matter how much you see injustice in the way things are , or how wrong it is , it is the black people who have to fix it. Telling people to change the way they act will never result in anything but resentment without a catalyst. If no changes are evident , no chage in attitude will be present. While this stands true for both sides , it is the blacks who are on the downside of the equation and need to overcome the very thing I just stated where attitude and change are concerned. The only thing I can say is that with leadership and the ear of a large majority , it is possible for tem to "suck it up" and overcome the issues. It may not be fast , or even show positive effect for those who start it today , but overtime it can be done. It is wrong that it is this way , but it is they who have the gains to be made , so it is they who need to overcome the difficulties in making the changes.
As far as the hiring practices go , the only resolution for it is to take on the struggle internally and change the way black people are seen. The perceptions aren't that far from reality for the majority. Those that rise above the issues need to lead others in success to change the perception. The absolute worst thing you can be in the black community is a successful light skinned black. They have as much a stereotype problem within the ranks as the nation as a whole does. They as a people need to fix it. Giving them concessions exacorbates the situation. It is not , nor will it ever be a solution. When you find that they argue as citizens , and not as black people , you will also find they get a lot more attention. There is no support for the community by the community. Exploitation and undermining of success for a few to profit and the rest to be oppressed is the reality for now. Change that and you will have a good start. Although I regularly hear "the white man keeping a brother down" in this city , I also see the brother doing just that. Success in the world is not accepted by the black people. You have to be an "Uncle Tom" to accept the ways of society and succeed. When you change that and the black people make a concerted effort to join and be a part of the society as a whole , you will see a drastic difference. Drugs treat depression. Leadership and education fix oppression.By education , I mean realizing and accepting things as they are and changing them, in conjunction with schooling in the three R's. No matter how much you see injustice in the way things are , or how wrong it is , it is the black people who have to fix it. Telling people to change the way they act will never result in anything but resentment without a catalyst. If no changes are evident , no chage in attitude will be present. While this stands true for both sides , it is the blacks who are on the downside of the equation and need to overcome the very thing I just stated where attitude and change are concerned. The only thing I can say is that with leadership and the ear of a large majority , it is possible for tem to "suck it up" and overcome the issues. It may not be fast , or even show positive effect for those who start it today , but overtime it can be done. It is wrong that it is this way , but it is they who have the gains to be made , so it is they who need to overcome the difficulties in making the changes.
Most conservatives, and most democrats believe that morals are universal. It's really peculiar to see you advocating moral relativism. What is wrong today was wrong 100 years ago and will be wrong forever.
"they" seem to be doing that to me.
If you consider yourself to be part of the majority, I can tell you your perceptions are far, far from reality.
Really, where did you get this idea? It's completely wrong. Maybe the worst thing from the White community is to see a successful light skinned black?
"They" are not a separate people, they are Americans just like you. You are just projecting your own stereotypes of what they think on them.
Concessions? You're talking like we are at war with black people, or you're their enemy.
This is a reality imposed by people such as yourself, on the black people.
There is no basis for this statement whatsoever.
They are part of our society. They influence and are part of our culture more than you even want to comprehend, through sports, music, and fashion to name a few. It is not you and "them".
I actually agree with statement, seeing as how you would ignore the three R's (think responsibility), to helping your fellow citizens. But, of course, it is "you" and "them", you are separate peoples.
People like yourself with their preconceptions and stereotypes are the major barrier that "they" to need to overcome.
The major barrier to change is money. I see nothing wrong with reversing the wrongs of 30 years ago and a 100 years ago using government money.
I can't wait for white people to become a minority. It should only be a couple more decades. I'll see it while I'm alive! </b
would it not make more sense to base affirmative action on social status? it seems that affirmative action is working on the assumption that most minorities need help b/c they are at a disadvantage socially. it seems fair to say that some non-minorities have this same disadvantage (and that some minorities do not have the disadvantage) so why not actually target people that need help?
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The flaw in your argument is the people trying to better themselves are the ones applying for jobs and they are being rejected at a disproportionate rate because they are black. Remember these are blind resumes and the people in these studies are trained to make the same presenation. The results are alarmingly the same. These are the results you are choosing to ignore. Oh that right if we just "suck it up" these things will change.
Don't waste your time, KV. I know EXACTLY where this guy is coming from.
A regular Timothy McVeigh. :roll:
well i'm glad contemporary standards dictate your morality, so therefore you should have no problem with christ being tortured and crucified since that's how they dealt with criminals at the time. and since christ was found guilty in the roman court, he was in fact a criminal
and how the fvck, btw, would you know ANYTHING about how succesful blacks are perceived in the black community????
He apparently has no problem with beheadings either then. That's just how they handle things in the Middle East.
exactly! when our troops are beheaded, or ambushed, it's no problem since that's how the terrorists fight their war
You people disgust me with your simple minded responses. Total command STFU!!! If you have no real world experience or answers for the problem don't waste my time. I would be the first one to extend my hand or to be" the next MLK" if I could. I am white , and therefore: can't overcome the stigmas associated with that in the "black"world. I hear everyday what the opinions are in the real world. I have been in every major city in this nation as a professional representative as well as a citizen tourist. I can honestly say with little indifference to location , I have seen virtually the same attitude racially in every locale in this nation. My experiences have included the benefit of several Federal agencies as well as commercial worldwide companies where race in this nation is concerned. I feel that the racial issue is the foremost problem to be dealt with in order for the people of this country to maintain the control of the government. It is clear that the elected officials do not represent the wishes, or the best interest of the people for that matter.With this as an issue , no one but those in office and those who exploit the weak have anything to gain. Do not make me to be the evil in this situation. "WE" as "white people" can not change the black communities. They are self destructive as a rule and must become self policing. We as a nation need all the citizens to be an active part of this society in order for the country to progress for the better of all. I can't be MLK any more than any one else can ,but that is who we need now! The black community must make an effort to join this society and stop the self destructive uncooperative efforts that are not only the norm but the rule in the black communities , or this nation and certainly "they" are in jeapordy. You can call me a BIGOT if you wish , but unless you are out in the neighborhoods looking at what real life is like , you have nothing to say to me. A light skinned black is almost as bad as a rich educated white person in a group of blacks , even if he's not successful.. If you don't know this , don't even address this conversation. Go to the local "hoop" and listen or STFU. I see it everyday.
As far as Christ goes , no, I have no problem with it. He gave his life for you and all others. Without him , salvation wouldn't even be a word now would it?
Why is it that you don't want to accept things as they are. Don't defend positions or patronize any one, just accept reality and then work on it from there. Anyone who denies all that I have said is true is living in a fantasy world. I live in this world , and would like it to get fixed before it becomes the next Rome. This country is most definitely in jeapordy from within.
As far as Christ goes , no, I have no problem with it. He gave his life for you and all others. Without him , salvation wouldn't even be a word now would it?
Why is it that you don't want to accept things as they are. Don't defend positions or patronize any one, just accept reality and then work on it from there. Anyone who denies all that I have said is true is living in a fantasy world. I live in this world , and would like it to get fixed before it becomes the next Rome. This country is most definitely in jeapordy from within.
By social status you mean income?
That would be fine. Far better than whiners complaining about slavery in the 1800s.
Perhaps these people should stop speaking in ebonics, ala
?That niga' be a Mack Daddy,? Tyrome exclaimed. ?Yeah, but all the hood rats be sweatin' and playa' hatin' his abilities,? said Buck-wheat. ?Let's jump in the six fo,' mob back to tha' tilt, git mystical wit' some clova' sacs and holla at some chicken heads.?
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