Minorities are not buying American

[shortylickens]

Bullshit. There is a reason many people will pay more for American products now. At one point this was true for cars but not for the rest. I paid more for my weber genisis grill becuase it is made in america. It also has a longer warranty then the foreign made models they sell.

How about clothing? Notice all the defects lately? I have had more pockets sewn closed in the past year than I have seen my whole life. It is made cheap fast and replaceable. It is not made to be quality.

Yes, you paid more cuz it was made in America, not necessarily cuz it was better.

 

[jhu]

Wrong. American made includes labor also.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/43562127/

Your turn.

And:

http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=top&subject=ami&story=amMade0710

That's only because Toyota sells more Camries than Ford sells Focuses. I don't buy that metric because you can theoretically have a car with 30% USA parts but still be considered "more American" because it sells even more than any other vehicle.

 

[blackangst1]

I know most people look at where the labor and parts came from (as evidenced by comments in this thread), but really what determines if it's an "American" car is whether the sale of that car shows up on the balance sheet of a company listed on the US stock market, or elsewhere.

 

[nobodyknows]

Products made in America are almost always inferior to the ones made overseas.

In your case that happen to be true.

 

[nonlnear]

I know most people look at where the labor and parts came from (as evidenced by comments in this thread), but really what determines if it's an "American" car is whether the sale of that car shows up on the balance sheet of a company listed on the US stock market, or elsewhere.

If you're going down that road it helps to look one step even further than that: who is holding the stock. Where it's listed is pretty meaningless in and of itself.

 

[jhu]

I know most people look at where the labor and parts came from (as evidenced by comments in this thread), but really what determines if it's an "American" car is whether the sale of that car shows up on the balance sheet of a company listed on the US stock market, or elsewhere.

Toyota and Honda are both listed in NYSE. So what's your point?

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Products made in America are almost always inferior to the ones made overseas.

I don't know how this even relates to the article but Japanese cars sold in the US market are built in the US so your point is false.

 

[Throckmorton]

Products made in America are almost always inferior to the ones made overseas.

^ This would be the typical Republican attitude. They intentionally do not buy American, because they despite the American worker and American industry.

 

[blackangst1]

Toyota and Honda are both listed in NYSE. So what's your point?

I made my point. And I didnt mention Toyota or Honda. You did.

 

[Throckmorton]

Car and Driver has a chart that shows how much of each car is American. The most American pickup is the Toyota Tundra.

http://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ion_of_what_s_really_made_in_america_-feature

 

[DucatiMonster696]

^ This would be the typical Republican attitude. They intentionally do not buy American, because they despite the American worker and American industry.

You're just as much of an idiot for attempting to portray this as a left vs right thing as he is for making the claim.

Edit: You might as well go take seat next to Jessie Jackson all the left leaning Hybrid car drivers who own a Prius.

 

[jhu]

I made my point. And I didnt mention Toyota or Honda. You did.

So, to clarify, you would consider the Toyota Camry or Honda Accord American cars because Toyota and and Honda are listed on the NYSE

 

[Throckmorton]

You're just as much of an idiot for attempting to portray this as a left vs right thing as he is for making the claim.

Edit: You might as well go take seat next to Jessie Jackson all the left leaning Hybrid car drivers who own a Prius.

The only people I know who refuse to buy American are Republicans

 

[96Firebird]

Car and Driver has a chart that shows how much of each car is American. The most American pickup is the Toyota Tundra.

Because we all know that origin of parts makes a car domestic or foreign. Forget about R&D and all that, or where the profits go. In that list, it only shows where the cars are assembled. Where are they designed and tested? A lot of local jobs in the automotive industry in WNY are through GM, with their fuel cell lab in Honeoye Falls, location in Rochester, and engine plant in Tonawanda. I don't see those on the list, because they aren't assembly plants.

 

[jhu]

Because we all know that origin of parts makes a car domestic or foreign. Forget about R&D and all that, or where the profits go. In that list, it only shows where the cars are assembled. Where are they designed and tested? A lot of local jobs in the automotive industry in WNY are through GM, with their fuel cell lab in Honeoye Falls, location in Rochester, and engine plant in Tonawanda. I don't see those on the list, because they aren't assembly plants.

Toyota and Honda have R&D centers in the USA. With regard to profits, it doesn't really matter if it leaves this country because it gets paid to employees, invested for R&D, taxed, etc. before leaving.

 

[D-Man]

Just food for though. A friend of mine is from China his parents became citizens many years ago my friend was 6 yrs old when his parents came her and settled in New York.
He now is in Illinois and visits his family in New York about 3 times a year. To shorten the story his parents are now elderly he makes purchases for them. His fathers comment to his son is ( and don't buy any Crap form China)
So there you go

 

[blackangst1]

So, to clarify, you would consider the Toyota Camry or Honda Accord American cars because Toyota and and Honda are listed on the NYSE

And made in America with American labor, yes.

And to clarify, would you consider, say, the Lincoln MKZ, whose engine and transmission are build in the US, but contains less than 20% American parts and whose final assembly is Mexico, American?

 

[Doppel]

That's only because Toyota sells more Camries than Ford sells Focuses. I don't buy that metric because you can theoretically have a car with 30% USA parts but still be considered "more American" because it sells even more than any other vehicle.

I've not read into the metric but surely it's not that stupid that a 100% US parts exotic car selling 20 units/year is less American than one with 15% parts/year because it sells 20k units/month?

 

[DucatiMonster696]

The only people I know who refuse to buy American are Republicans

Well thanks for totally discrediting your statement for me so I wouldn't have trouble myself doing it for you.

 

[jhu]

And made in America with American labor, yes.

And to clarify, would you consider, say, the Lincoln MKZ, whose engine and transmission are build in the US, but contains less than 20% American parts and whose final assembly is Mexico, American?

I would consider it less American than the Camry. So, I'm not quite sure what you really meant by your prior post:

I know most people look at where the labor and parts came from (as evidenced by comments in this thread), but really what determines if it's an "American" car is whether the sale of that car shows up on the balance sheet of a company listed on the US stock market, or elsewhere.

Are you saying that a theoretical car assembled in the USA and made with majority USA parts would not be considered American if the company stock wasn't listed in the USA?

 

[EXman]

I prefer to support the economies of right to work states. If that means I piss off Jesse Jackson then that's just gravy.

Winnar!

 

[blackangst1]

The only people I know who refuse to buy American are Republicans

You must not know many Democrats then!

Blue-staters on each coast, from Los Angeles to Seattle and from Boston to the District, are the most likely to drive foreign cars. Domestic brands have their highest levels of market share in the mostly conservative interior of the country.

In some blue states - where a Democrat has won at least three of the last four presidential contests - foreign cars have as much as 60 percent of the market, as measured by vehicle registrations. It is mostly in red states - Republican strongholds - where domestic cars have 74 percent of the market or more.

Its true that liberal Democrats are the least likely group to consider an American car, according to a recent Gallup poll.

Or this:

The chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) appears to drive a foreign car, despite criticizing Republican presidential candidates for supposedly favoring foreign auto manufacturers.

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.), the chairwoman of the DNC, ripped into Republican presidential contenders who opposed President Obama's 2009 bailouts for General Motors and Chrysler.

"If it were up to the candidates for president on the Republican side, we would be driving foreign cars; they would have let the auto industry in America go down the tubes," she said at a breakfast for reporters organized by The Christian Science Monitor.

But according to Florida motor vehicle records, the Wasserman Schultz household owns a 2010 Infiniti FX35, a Japanese car whose parent company is Nissan, another Japanese company. The car appears to be hers, since its license plate includes her initials.

loliberals

 

[blackangst1]

I would consider it less American than the Camry. So, I'm not quite sure what you really meant by your prior post:



Are you saying that a theoretical car assembled in the USA and made with majority USA parts would not be considered American if the company stock wasn't listed in the USA?

Theoretically, yes. In the same way I still consider Levi's to be an American company even though they arent made here anymore. The profits funnel here.

 

[jhu]

Theoretically, yes. In the same way I still consider Levi's to be an American company even though they arent made here anymore. The profits funnel here.

But what does that have to do with whether or not a stock is listed in the USA? The profits made in the USA by a foreign company don't necessarily leave the USA just as USA-based companies' overseas profits don't necessarily return.

The notion that Levi's is an American company isn't in question. It's the product that they sell: they're Chinese jeans with an American brand name only.

 

[blackangst1]

But what does that have to do with whether or not a stock is listed in the USA? The profits made in the USA by a foreign company don't necessarily leave the USA just as USA-based companies' overseas profits don't necessarily return.

The notion that Levi's is an American company isn't in question. It's the product that they sell: they're Chinese jeans with an American brand name only.

I agree sometimes thats the case. Im not sure why you have such a tough time understanding what I consider an American company and why I think its important.

And your comment of "I would consider it (the MKZ) less American than the Camry." shows you view whats American differently than me, and closer to how the UAW views "American" cars. Although the Camry is much more "American" than said MKZ, BOTH are banned on UAW property. The Toyota because ultimately its a Japanese auto, and the MKZ because its not assembled in the US.

*shrug* not sure why you have so many questions and cant understand.