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Vic

Vic

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ondma said:
Yea, but if you feel the kickback or shoot even once, it is already too late. One thing that might decrease the problem is to require pistols to have a safety. If one had to click off the safety before firing a pistol, it would seem that would greatly decrease the chance of accidental or mistaken discharge.
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I get it that people make mistakes at work all the time. But how tolerant should we be of mistakes that result in the accidental death of a citizen? And how should we, as citizens, feel about the fact that current police policy is to err on the side of accidentally killing the citizen?
 
shortylickens

shortylickens

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You guys remember the nut job at Ruby Ridge?

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He sued the government and got mad money.
 
pcgeek11

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Vic said:
Someday... just someday... the people always lecturing us about the necessity of limited govt are going to agree that the govt should be held accountable when it shoots and kills a black man by accident.
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They should be held accountable if they shoot and kill anyone by accident.
 
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ondma

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Vic said:
I get it that people make mistakes at work all the time. But how tolerant should we be of mistakes that result in the accidental death of a citizen? And how should we, as citizens, feel about the fact that current police policy is to err on the side of accidentally killing the citizen?
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I think you are mis-interpreting my comment. I was not advocating for or against any tolerance. My comment was in reply to the specific differences between a pistol and a taser, and that other measures were needed to prevent accidentally using the wrong weapon.
 
sportage

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I remember once I had a C.O.D. package arrive by courier. I answered the door, the courier wanted $25 COD. I thought I was grabbing my checkbook but instead grabbed my gun and accidentally shot the guy dead.

Well, that didn't really happen but you get the point. Every officer knows the difference between a taser which is holstered point one way vs a gun which is holstered pointed the opposite way. She knew what she was doing, she knew....
 
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Jaskalas

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sportage said:
She knew what she was doing, she knew....
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Bull!@#$.

Perfection is not how the human brain operates. Apply stress, fatigue, and deadly force - and people will make mistakes. A simple motion becomes reaction. The brain thinks taser, the muscle reflex becomes firearm. There is a complete separation between intent and action. That is what makes the 2A so dangerous. The unintended consequences of being armed. To both yourself and others.

This is not the first time, and it will not be the last.
 
pcgeek11

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HomerJS said:
However, that's not the problem today, is it?

It's like saying all lives matter. There the simplistic obvious vs reality.
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Yes, it is the problem today and everyday. You just want to ignore the part of it that is inconvenient to your narrative.
 
Vic

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pcgeek11 said:


They should be held accountable if they shoot and kill anyone by accident.
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That's not what the rest of your fellow conservative are saying. They're saying that holding the officer accountable is an "attack on police" and otherwise some kind of affront to law and order. And of course, that the victim deserved to be extrajudicially executed for the supposed capital crime of not complying to govt authority.
But that fact is inconvenient to your narrative, now isn't it?
 
pcgeek11

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Vic said:
That's not what the rest of your fellow conservative are saying. They're saying that holding the officer accountable is an "attack on police" and otherwise some kind of affront to law and order. And of course, that the victim deserved to be extrajudicially executed for the supposed capital crime of not complying to govt authority.
But that fact is inconvenient to your narrative, now isn't it?
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I happen to have a different opinion than what you seem to like calling "my fellow conservatives".

I don't get how you think it is inconvenient to my narrative. I do not think she intentionally shot / killed the man, but she did and should be held accountable. Manslaughter is an appropriate charge in this case IMO.
 
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pcgeek11 said:
I happen to have a different opinion than what you seem to like calling "my fellow conservatives".

I don't get how you think it is inconvenient to my narrative. I do not think she intentionally shot / killed the man, but she did and should be held accountable. Manslaughter is an appropriate charge in this case IMO.
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from what I've read it's easy to confuse the gun and taser in a stressful situation, especially when you consider the majority if their training is with their guns and the taser gets something like 2 shots per year, it's something like 1000 to 1 difference. they get used to pulling the gun over the taser.
 
Vic

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The cause here is that the police have been trained over the decades to err on the side of killing citizens. And the source of that cause came from the fact that right-wingers either don't care, or even feel safer, about that as long those citizens being 'accidentally' killed were black men. And those right-wingers exerted tremendous political pressure to create that mentality in the police, and to maintain it (or how kneeling for the anthem became 'unpatriotic').
 
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Lost_in_the_HTTP

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I want to know why they're pulling anything so often. Nothing I've seen here indicates he was enough of an imminent threat to pull either weapon. He had a warrant. For something minor. As I said above, just go to his house and pick him up later. Then you have additional charges also.
 
HomerJS

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Kim Potter trial going on now. She just agreed to testify.

That Rittenhouse lawyer seems to have set a new precedent.
 
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UNCjigga

UNCjigga

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Waiting for the cops to dig up more dirt on the guy they accidentally killed before I decide whether cold blooded murder in this case is excusable…

/s
 
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