Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
I used to ship free linux CDs for .01 and charge 6 bucks for shipping and put it in an envelope with a stamp. I don't see how this is wrong if you advertise the shipping price. Extra profit is the intention of an extra handling fee. How do you think drop shippers make their money? Making money on shipping is standard practice for online retailers. It doesn't cost them anything to dropship it from a wholesaler such as ingram micro.
Charging $6 for shipping on a .01 linux CD you have to take time to burn and buy a blank for, label, put in an envelope, etc is not excessive. That is a totally different example.
We buy from Ingram, and other large wholesalers, we charge slightly more than they do...profit on a resale is fair, not disclosing ahead of time the $30 P4 3.0 GHZ will have a $500 shipping and handling charge added to it is not, and frauding ebay out of fees is not either. They will change the system if it keeps getting abused, more than likely charging higher fees for those with higher feedback or auction counts.
How is it wrong to entirely profit off shipping? It doesn't matter how you profit on an auction as long as all your terms are clearly stated. If I actually had the item in my possession that's what it would cost me to ship the item. Instead, I'm taking advantage of someone else's free shipping offer and shipping it from them. Why should I sell an item for 100.00 + 0.00 shipping because it costs me 0.00 shipping when someone sells the same item and charges 14.00 for shipping?
It not wrong, but that should be called handling and not take place on ebay. Ebay is entitled to a share of your 'profit', you make some they make some. Just like you are saying if your buyer does not agree with your terms they should not buy from you....if you don't agree with Ebay's terms you should use another auction service, but you see the people that are clearly screwing someone regularly just have no common sense/ethics.
And again if you buy an item for $100 + 0.00 shipping to resell, you are entitled to mark it up, that is normal capitalizm...I clearly hope you are not that clueless and just trying to justify your point of view illogically.
The way a market works is 1) It costs the manufacturer/creator $X of material and time to create an item. 2) He increases the resell of that collection of materials or ideas in order to make a profit, he chooses either an end user or another business to sell to. 3) The end user is a final consumer. The other business will now slightly markup and resell the item, or use it for another item/package they offer and again raise the price slightly. They may choose to sell the modified or non-modified item to an enduser or another business. 4) repeat
With absolutely any item getting it closer to the source = the best savings (usually), however many don't want to take the time out to research all that, or simply cannot purchase in that way (a lot of businesses cannot buy off ebay due to needing to submit a PO (Purchase Order) and have accounting cut a check in X days.). Your profit reflects the effort you spend sourcing items, stocking them, and standing behind them.
To me, shipping is part of the overall packaged price on ebay. This shipping amount is not even seen as a shipping charge. It's seen as part of a total price on an auction. Another way to look at it is how much is my time worth? I registered my ebay business and pay myself a salary. If I'm worth 50.00 an hour then that 20 minute trip to the post office is definitely worth 15.00. Thus, shipping includes paying my shipping agent, me.
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No one, absolutely no one debates that final bid + shipping cost = total cost. However you are again just fudging the facts to prove your flawed point of ripping people off and in this case ebay. I am not saying that it doesn't happen, nor am I saying I totally agree with ebay's fee structures...but I am sure to everyone else this justification seems retarded.
And you also (if you are really a business) are distorting the time vs money facts to the endusers that have no idea how the system works. If you are indeed worth $50 per hour you should have more than 1 package for that 20 min trip....I am a small business and I usually do. Plus if that wait in line is such a big financial drain for you, for about $10-15 you can have USPS pick up. If you have enough business FedEx and UPS will even give you the shipping scales and computer free. Again your justifications are totally flawed and you are seriously just trying to justify pulling some random dollar amount out of the air.
If you are a business, you know your costs those which are 'hard' costs will be the same on almost every item....consider that a handling fee....ebay doesn't mind at all. Now if you are just fluffing a package price for your total profit that cost should be reflected in the final bid amount....then the item sells for a fair market price, ebay makes their percent and you should still have plenty of profit (if the item was indeed worth it).
9 times out of 10 though the excessive shipping cost item will overall be much higher than a 'fair' shipper. You can't compare completed auctions all the time since they are usually the same seller with the same costs.
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