Mini-rant. Ebay shipping poachers...

[GtPrOjEcTX]

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$30 shipping and $10 required insurance. Ridiculous.

 

[dartworth]

The best thing to do is not bid...

ebay will never change.

 

[Glitchny]

since the 9800pro is about half what it normally costs you shouldnt complain about the shipping, you are still saving money

 

[GtPrOjEcTX]

Originally posted by: Glitchny
since the 9800pro is about half what it normally costs you shouldnt complain about the shipping, you are still saving money

nah, it'll shoot up about another ~$70-$100 before the auction is over.

 

[NFS4]

Don't bid on it!!!

It all evens out in the end. It just means that the winning bidder will pay a lower end of auction price for the item. Once you tack on the shipping fee, the price will be relatively in line with other auction for similar items with more "sensible" shipping terms.

For the buyer, it doesn't really affect you one way or the other with your total outlay for the item b/c people "normally" won't bid as high on an item with higher shipping costs.

For the seller, they just save on eBay final auction value fees.

 

[slag]

I dont see why you are bitching.

If you dont like the price, dont bid on it!!!!


Its as simple as that..

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: slag
I dont see why you are bitching.

If you dont like the price, dont bid on it!!!!


Its as simple as that..

Agreed.

 

[GtPrOjEcTX]

Originally posted by: slag
I dont see ..

b/c I sell stuff/ buy stuff in the FS/FT forums here and don't rip people on shipping.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Anytime I do auctions on eBay, here, or where ever, I always do free shipping. Try to keep people from getting shizited on like this.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Anytime I do auctions on eBay, here, or where ever, I always do free shipping. Try to keep people from getting shizited on like this.

What are you talking about?? I don't see the logic people have in "looking down" on this process.

Let's say you have three Radeon 9800 Pros for sale. All three start off at $9.95 with No Reserve.

- One has shipping costs of $9.00 + $2.00 insurance (required).
- One has a shipping cost of $30.00 + $10.00 insurance (required).
- One has free shipping and insurance.

eBay is pretty good at determining the market value of items. Let's say (and I'm just thinking off the top of my head here) that the average going rate for a 9800 Pro is $300 shipped. Given the nature of eBay, the ending auction value prices for the items would be very close to this:

Situation #1: ~ $289
Situation #2: ~ $260
Situation #3: ~ $300

Regardless of the final auction value price, you still have to pay shipping/insurance which would put all three auctions at right ~$300 for the buyer.

The ONLY thing different in each case is the amount of money that the SELLER pays to eBay. In this case, the seller in situation #2 would pay less eBay fees. The buyer isn't at all affected.


So again, I don't see the point be raised here by the original poster.

 

[dabuddha]

The retail price on this card is $299, not $429 or whatever crap he's claiming.

 

[CrazyDe1]

You don't think about it properly. Items on ebay always get the same market value with shipping. That means if his shipping cost is 40 dollars, he gets 40.00 less bid price. Now, if you're a seller, as long as it's not really unreasonable so that ebay sees this and cans the auction, you want to make shipipng as high as possible in order to save on ebay fees. Keep in mind that final prices are always about the same.

It's also smart because some people neglect to look at shipping costs and you might dupe some stupid buyer into bidding becuase of price and not looking at shipping.

 

[Spencer278]

I think that ebay should require shipping to be included or they have to charge only actual postages. The shipping game is just an pain in the ass and makes ebay suck even more then it normally does. If you do win the action you should give the person a nagitive for charging excessive shiping.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Spencer278
I think that ebay should require shipping to be included or they have to charge only actual postages. The shipping game is just an pain in the ass and makes ebay suck even more then it normally does. If you do win the action you should give the person a nagitive for charging excessive shiping.

No, you shouldn't bid on the damn auction. No one is pointing a gun to your head. Read my post a few up to understand what is going on.

 

[SoylentGreen]

Stop whining about something that can be totally avoided.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Spencer278
I think that ebay should require shipping to be included or they have to charge only actual postages. The shipping game is just an pain in the ass and makes ebay suck even more then it normally does. If you do win the action you should give the person a nagitive for charging excessive shiping.

No, you shouldn't bid on the damn auction. No one is pointing a gun to your head. Read my post a few up to understand what is going on.

Explain how 40 dollar shiping and handle shouldn't get a negitive when the seller doesn't even included the price of shipping and handleing in the box for shipping and handling. The seller is try to screw a buy that didn't read his 5 page auction. And like I said it is pain when you have to search for all the auction to see who isn't a scumb bag.

Yes I know seller like to rip people off you don't need to point that out.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Spencer278
I think that ebay should require shipping to be included or they have to charge only actual postages. The shipping game is just an pain in the ass and makes ebay suck even more then it normally does. If you do win the action you should give the person a nagitive for charging excessive shiping.

No, you shouldn't bid on the damn auction. No one is pointing a gun to your head. Read my post a few up to understand what is going on.

Explain how 40 dollar shiping and handle shouldn't get a negitive when the seller doesn't even included the price of shipping and handleing in the box for shipping and handling. The seller is try to screw a buy that didn't read his 5 page auction. And like I said it is pain when you have to search for all the auction to see who isn't a scumb bag.

Yes I know seller like to rip people off you don't need to point that out.

First of all, in the auction posted in the original post, the S&H terms are right there in the auction. I found them w/o much hassle.

If sellers don't put clear shipping terms in their auctions, I don't bid on their items. Plain and simple. It's a waste of my time.

If you MUST have the item, and they don't list shipping terms, EMAIL the seller. If you don't beforehand and bid, then you deserve to get screwed.

 

[Ness]

The only thing I find stupid about this auction is that they way he claims to get the price from shipping...

**S&H is Not just postage. It includes the time, effort,gas,labor & material associate with the preparation and arrangement of shipment.**


He can charge whatever he wants for it, that's not my gripe, but saying that it costs a totall of 40 dollars for things like packaging, gas, the actual postage and shipping... then he says "EFFORT" and "LABOR".... I have many problems with that... first off... if he's selling something on ebay for an attempted profit, effort is not something a buyer should pay for. That's just FVCKING LAZY sounding.
Secondly... unless he has to drive all the way across the state to find a post office, claiming gas as one of the reasons for increased shipping rates is ridiculous, even if it IS true... just saying it would make me not bid on his item.

Then again some stupid computer nerd who thinks that 300 dollars is a good deal for a stupid-ass video card deserves to be ripped off.


edit: Oh, and Spencer, hush before you make yourself look like a bigger fool.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: ness1469
The only thing I find stupid about this auction is that they way he claims to get the price from shipping...

**S&H is Not just postage. It includes the time, effort,gas,labor & material associate with the preparation and arrangement of shipment.**


He can charge whatever he wants for it, that's not my gripe, but saying that it costs a totall of 40 dollars for things like packaging, gas, the actual postage and shipping... then he says "EFFORT" and "LABOR".... I have many problems with that... first off... if he's selling something on ebay for an attempted profit, effort is not something a buyer should pay for. That's just FVCKING LAZY sounding.
Secondly... unless he has to drive all the way across the state to find a post office, claiming gas as one of the reasons for increased shipping rates is ridiculous, even if it IS true... just saying it would make me not bid on his item.

Then again some stupid computer nerd who thinks that 300 dollars is a good deal for a stupid-ass video card deserves to be ripped off.


edit: Oh, and Spencer, hush before you make yourself look like a bigger fool.

Find me one buyer who like dicking around with everyone have stupid S/H policys. I think ebay should crack down on it I'm sorry that if they did that it would kill you cash cow. Ebay is not very buyer friendly and partly because you can't do a search and find the press of an item.

 

[guapo337]

They state the shipping terms in their auction. You bid on it, thereby agreeing to everything on the page, especially in the Terms and Conditions. Stop whining.

 

[Winchester]

I especially like the fact that most of items like this are shipped through UPS or FedEx, which automatically have insurance up to $100.

 

[Argo]

I had a guy charge me $5 for shipping, and then promptly proceeded to mail it via media mail for $1.80.

 

What are you talking about?? I don't see the logic people have in "looking down" on this process.

Let's say you have three Radeon 9800 Pros for sale. All three start off at $9.95 with No Reserve.

- One has shipping costs of $9.00 + $2.00 insurance (required).
- One has a shipping cost of $30.00 + $10.00 insurance (required).
- One has free shipping and insurance.

eBay is pretty good at determining the market value of items. Let's say (and I'm just thinking off the top of my head here) that the average going rate for a 9800 Pro is $300 shipped. Given the nature of eBay, the ending auction value prices for the items would be very close to this:

Situation #1: ~ $289
Situation #2: ~ $260
Situation #3: ~ $300

Regardless of the final auction value price, you still have to pay shipping/insurance which would put all three auctions at right ~$300 for the buyer.

The ONLY thing different in each case is the amount of money that the SELLER pays to eBay. In this case, the seller in situation #2 would pay less eBay fees. The buyer isn't at all affected.


So again, I don't see the point be raised here by the original poster.

I understand what you are trying to Illustrate I guess. Though, using a totally hypothetical situation in which all of your "situations" add up perfectly does not really support anything. Except that you can make up a hypothetical sitaution to prove anything you want correct.

I don't see anything wrong with the practice, as long as everything is stated clearly, which in most cases they are.
It does seem like more of a lewd business practice. If their base auction price gets bid up to market value, than that shipping and handling cost is pure profit.
They are preying on people. Many businesses do the same thing, it's legal, but bad business.

It can be said that the people who do get taken advantage of deserved because they are stupid, or potentially bad at math(which drives the lottery market). Which is true, but it still doesn't make it any more correct or credible. It's an attempt at extra profit, and no amount of babble about self adjusting market conditions is going to change that.

 

[NFS4]

I understand what you are trying to Illustrate I guess. Though, using a totally hypothetical situation in which all of your "situations" add up perfectly does not really support anything. Except that you can make up a hypothetical sitaution to prove anything you want correct.

I don't see anything wrong with the practice, as long as everything is stated clearly, which in most cases they are.
It does seem like more of a lewd business practice. If their base auction price gets bid up to market value, than that shipping and handling cost is pure profit.
They are preying on people. Many businesses do the same thing, it's legal, but bad business.

It can be said that the people who do get taken advantage of deserved because they are stupid, or potentially bad at math(which drives the lottery market). Which is true, but it still doesn't make it any more correct or credible. It's an attempt at extra profit, and no amount of babble about self adjusting market conditions is going to change that.

The fact of the matter is, those situations are about 99% indicitivate of what will happen in the eBay market.

In the auction listed in the original post, the 9800 Pro sold for $232 + $40 for shipping and insurance. That makes a grand total of $272 shipped.

The final prices for the last three new Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB cards sold were:

248.17 + $12.00 shipping = $260.17
256.00 + $15.00 shipping = $271.00
247.50 + $25.00 shipping = $272.00


With the one exception, my "theory" held pretty true.

 

For some reason I have a forbidden word in my post. I can't find it.
I can't post my response.

Edit: The abbreviation of Shipping and Handling is a banned word?