Mind May Affect Machines

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upsciLLion

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Originally posted by: Triumph
Well, from what I understand there is also the problem that it is impossible to create a *true* random event generator. I never took those sort of higher level math classes, but I've heard that somewhere. When you get into sample sizes in the hundreds of thousands, that could become an issue.

When you get into the hundreds of thousands, non random trends would become glaringly apparent. I sincerely doubt scientists would endorse the name random event generator if it had any appreciable amount of bias on any scale.
 

mobobuff

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While I've never noticed any connection with machines, I have noticed that I can often times roll dice to numbers that I want (either a single die to one number or a few die to the same number). I've never tried experiments, maybe I should...

Regardless, my girlfriend gets extremely angry with me whenever we play Yahtzee :).
 

MAME

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Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: DAGTA

I've witnessed it happen to me and other people. I've also noticed that it does happen more often with a pair that is attracted to each other than a single person.

No, you haven't.

Usually people that think this is happening to them are just bad at solving problems, so they never find out the real cause and attibute it to something unrelated.

Nice of you to attempt to speak for me.

One story for you:
A woman I was interested in, and was interested in me, had high blood pressure. I had known her for a while and was concerned so I talked her into visiting my doctor. He attempted to read her blood pressure with an electronic machine. It consistently gave an ERROR when he tried to use it on her. He tried it on me, same thing.

Next time she went to visit him, it worked fine.

A month later, I went with her again. Again, the machine read ERROR. This time I laughed and said, "Let me leave the room." I walked out of the room and to the reception area. Immediately, the doctor yelled out that the machine was working. He asked me for an explanation, I declined.

Two more times she went on her own and it worked fine.

A third time I went with her. Again, the machine read ERROR. The doctor told me to leave the room. I walked about 40 feet away and he yells out that the machine was now working.

Consistent and replicable. Yes, I finally gave the explanation to the doctor and... guess what? he believed it.

that's your proof? are you kidding me?
 

upsciLLion

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Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: DAGTA

I've witnessed it happen to me and other people. I've also noticed that it does happen more often with a pair that is attracted to each other than a single person.

No, you haven't.

Usually people that think this is happening to them are just bad at solving problems, so they never find out the real cause and attibute it to something unrelated.

Nice of you to attempt to speak for me.

One story for you:
A woman I was interested in, and was interested in me, had high blood pressure. I had known her for a while and was concerned so I talked her into visiting my doctor. He attempted to read her blood pressure with an electronic machine. It consistently gave an ERROR when he tried to use it on her. He tried it on me, same thing.

Next time she went to visit him, it worked fine.

A month later, I went with her again. Again, the machine read ERROR. This time I laughed and said, "Let me leave the room." I walked out of the room and to the reception area. Immediately, the doctor yelled out that the machine was working. He asked me for an explanation, I declined.

Two more times she went on her own and it worked fine.

A third time I went with her. Again, the machine read ERROR. The doctor told me to leave the room. I walked about 40 feet away and he yells out that the machine was now working.

Consistent and replicable. Yes, I finally gave the explanation to the doctor and... guess what? he believed it.

that's your proof? are you kidding me?

Did he say it was? :p As long as he isn't lying though, it's rather interesting evidence.
 

eigen

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Originally posted by: upsciLLion
Originally posted by: Triumph
Well, from what I understand there is also the problem that it is impossible to create a *true* random event generator. I never took those sort of higher level math classes, but I've heard that somewhere. When you get into sample sizes in the hundreds of thousands, that could become an issue.

When you get into the hundreds of thousands, non random trends would become glaringly apparent. I sincerely doubt scientists would endorse the name random event generator if it had any appreciable amount of bias on any scale.

You are incorrect on doubting this.Many random number generators are in fact not.Its actually quite an interesting topic in computational complexity.
 

BoberFett

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It's not really the same thing, but I'll share anyway because it was kind of strange.

At the company I worked for a few years ago there was one woman whose computer would shutdown seemingly at random. We swapped internal components, cords, mice keyboards, changed out the whole workstation, changed which outlet she was plugged into, changed where she sat. You name it, we tried it. Always her, nobody else. We ended up getting her a static wrist strap and attaching her to her desk. That seemed to help, but we never figured out exactly what it was. For all I know it was the brand of dryer sheets she used on her clothes. Very weird.
 

DAGTA

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Mame: I have no proof of the mind's ability to affect electronics. What I relayed previously in this thread is one anecdotal story I have that correlates with what I'm saying.

I said I could prove that all of humanity is linked at the consciousness level. I can prove that but you have to be close enough for me to touch you to do so.

Random Number Generators are not truly random. Triumph is correct on that. However, they are 'good approximations' and these studies attempt to eliminate any bias of the RNG before conducting the experiments.
 

DAGTA

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As for dice: I was once able to do the same thing. I could play Monopoly and 'will' the dice to roll what I desired about 50% of the time. Considering there are 11 possible numerical outcomes with two dice, 50% success is far above statistical probablity. My friend Dave actually quit playing Monopoly with me after I showed him that I could do that. For some reason, I stopped being able to do that some years ago.

Computers... I had a tech support position three years ago. There was one woman that worked in our office who would have severe computer issues anytime she was stressed. She was part time and shared the computer with another woman. It wouldn't have problems with the other woman.
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: MAME
this seems pretty much impossible...they said you have the same influence on the output from across the country

how the hell does that work

All of humanity is linked through consciousness.

You asked, so I told you. I don't expect you to believe it. ;)
Actually, everything living is linked through consciousness.

Even things that we don't traditionally consider as being conscious - plant cells for example.
 

eigen

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Originally posted by: DAGTA
Mame: I have no proof of the mind's ability to affect electronics. What I relayed previously in this thread is one anecdotal story I have that correlates with what I'm saying.

I said I could prove that all of humanity is linked at the consciousness level. I can prove that but you have to be close enough for me to touch you to do so.

Random Number Generators are not truly random. Triumph is correct on that. However, they are 'good approximations' and these studies attempt to eliminate any bias of the RNG before conducting the experiments.

Good approximations dont cut it when it comes to experiments of this sort.We are essentially talking about the minds ability to control and effect quantum level events.
 

Electric Amish

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
It's not really the same thing, but I'll share anyway because it was kind of strange.

At the company I worked for a few years ago there was one woman whose computer would shutdown seemingly at random. We swapped internal components, cords, mice keyboards, changed out the whole workstation, changed which outlet she was plugged into, changed where she sat. You name it, we tried it. Always her, nobody else. We ended up getting her a static wrist strap and attaching her to her desk. That seemed to help, but we never figured out exactly what it was. For all I know it was the brand of dryer sheets she used on her clothes. Very weird.

Sup Bober!

I have a friend that's kinda like that... :)
 

Eli

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If any of you are interested in this stuff, I highly recommend the books The Secret Life of Your Cells by Robert S. Stone, The Secret Life of Plants by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird and Primary Perception: Biocommunication with Plants, Living Foods and Human Cells by Cleve Backster and Flora Powers.

Cleve Backster has done some amazing research in these areas.
 

eigen

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If someone felt like googling it there is this site that just continually generates random number ( not random.org).Supposedly on 9/11 there was some sort of anomaly. i.e I have sensed a great distrubance in the force.
 

MAME

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Originally posted by: DAGTA
As for dice: I was once able to do the same thing. I could play Monopoly and 'will' the dice to roll what I desired about 50% of the time. Considering there are 11 possible numerical outcomes with two dice, 50% success is far above statistical probablity. My friend Dave actually quit playing Monopoly with me after I showed him that I could do that. For some reason, I stopped being able to do that some years ago.

you do realize it's not 1 in 11 chance of hitting your number, right?

if you have this 'power' then you should be at the casino making millions
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: eigen
If someone felt like googling it there is this site that just continually generates random number ( not random.org).Supposedly on 9/11 there was some sort of anomaly. i.e I have sensed a great distrubance in the force.

I wonder if it's related to the REGs from the link I posted earlier in the thread?
 

DAGTA

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Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: DAGTA
As for dice: I was once able to do the same thing. I could play Monopoly and 'will' the dice to roll what I desired about 50% of the time. Considering there are 11 possible numerical outcomes with two dice, 50% success is far above statistical probablity. My friend Dave actually quit playing Monopoly with me after I showed him that I could do that. For some reason, I stopped being able to do that some years ago.

you do realize it's not 1 in 11 chance of hitting your number, right?

if you have this 'power' then you should be at the casino making millions

Yes, I know the odds are different. I said 11 possible NUMERICAL outcomes. There are 36 POSSIBILITIES but my odds are NOT 1 in 26 unless I was trying to roll a two or a twelve.

Also, if you read my full post, you'd see the part where I said I haven't been able to do that for years. No, I don't know why it suddenly 'went away'.
 

MAME

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Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: MAME
this seems pretty much impossible...they said you have the same influence on the output from across the country

how the hell does that work

All of humanity is linked through consciousness.

You asked, so I told you. I don't expect you to believe it. ;)

:thumbsdo[/b]wn;

Visit me and I'll prove it to you. I already have to several people.

how do you prove something like this?
 

DAGTA

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Another good book for those that are interested: Power Vs. Force by Dr. David Hawkins
 

eigen

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: eigen
If someone felt like googling it there is this site that just continually generates random number ( not random.org).Supposedly on 9/11 there was some sort of anomaly. i.e I have sensed a great distrubance in the force.

I wonder if it's related to the REGs from the link I posted earlier in the thread?

Sounds like it...I like the cut of you jib as well.

p.s. I dont really know what that means.I only have drivers for internet lingo not nautical talk as well.
 

DAGTA

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Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: MAME
this seems pretty much impossible...they said you have the same influence on the output from across the country

how the hell does that work

All of humanity is linked through consciousness.

You asked, so I told you. I don't expect you to believe it. ;)

:thumbsdo[/b]wn;

Visit me and I'll prove it to you. I already have to several people.

how do you prove something like this?

It is possible to find the answer or value to any question relating to any person present or in history using a simple arm test. It's named Kinesiology and is explained in detail in Power Vs. Force by Dr. David Hawkins. It requires two people to conduct the test.

My cousin visited me last month and I showed him the test. After a few minutes, he walked away and sat down. His legs were shaking... he was really freaked out.
 

eigen

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Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: MAME
this seems pretty much impossible...they said you have the same influence on the output from across the country

how the hell does that work

All of humanity is linked through consciousness.

You asked, so I told you. I don't expect you to believe it. ;)

:thumbsdo[/b]wn;

Visit me and I'll prove it to you. I already have to several people.

how do you prove something like this?

It is possible to find the answer or value to any question relating to any person present or in history using a simple arm test. It's named Kinesiology and is explained in detail in Power Vs. Force by Dr. David Hawkins. It requires two people to conduct the test.

My cousin visited me last month and I showed him the test. After a few minutes, he walked away and sat down. His legs were shaking... he was really freaked out.

No how do you prove it using the scientific method.

a.k.a show me the motherfvcking equations that govern this phenomena.
 

DAGTA

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Originally posted by: eigen
No how do you prove it using the scientific method.

a.k.a show me the motherfvcking equations that govern this phenomena.
If I could put it into mathematics, I'd be writing that book instead of simply talking about it on ATOT. The theories tie in with quantum mechanics but I have not seen it expressed mathematically.

It is possible to calibrate a scale of consciousness and use those values in the testing. That's described much better in the book than I can describe it here.

 

eigen

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Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: eigen
No how do you prove it using the scientific method.

a.k.a show me the motherfvcking equations that govern this phenomena.
If I could put it into mathematics, I'd be writing that book instead of simply talking about it on ATOT. The theories tie in with quantum mechanics but I have not seen it expressed mathematically.

It is possible to calibrate a scale of consciousness and use those values in the testing. That's described much better in the book than I can describe it here.

I will hold judgement on this but I do believe there is some possibility to effect quantum level events.We already have the innate biological ability to detect quantam scales.
 

DAGTA

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Originally posted by: eigen
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: eigen
No how do you prove it using the scientific method.

a.k.a show me the motherfvcking equations that govern this phenomena.
If I could put it into mathematics, I'd be writing that book instead of simply talking about it on ATOT. The theories tie in with quantum mechanics but I have not seen it expressed mathematically.

It is possible to calibrate a scale of consciousness and use those values in the testing. That's described much better in the book than I can describe it here.

I will hold judgement on this but I do believe there is some possibility to effect quantum level events.We already have the innate biological ability to detect quantam scales.
Glad to hear it. I fully expect people to be skeptical. I was and still am, but I'm also the most curious person I know.