And you think I worship "mammon" because?
You obviously haven't seen my very modest home and my two beat up economy cars.
And you think I worship "mammon" because?
You obviously haven't seen my very modest home and my two beat up economy cars.
No he's not.
No it isn't clear. If you apply this to the whole bible you won't have much left.
And it's also possible for a child-molesting communist to get in with god's love.
Umm... no. Rip is proud of his sins and therefore cannot repent.
We both know about the money-loving posts you've made recently. Keep in mind you are much wealthier than anyone living at the time of Jesus. So you are wealthy and, because you can't repent because of your continuing denial of God's will, you are going to hell.
Bowfinger
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Rip, in all sincerity, I commend you for remaining engaged in this thread, and even responding to people who present strongly contradictory information. If you would do this more consistently, especially in threads you start, you might start to rise above the buffoonish-troll impression many of us have formed of you. You're actually fighting to support your posts this time. I'm starting to think you may be sincere in your beliefs.
Michael
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I'm not surprised that my old friend Infotroll continues to ignore the main message of the original post, but every reply bumps the thread up and keeps it in plain sight, so I'll reply again.
"No it isn't clear. If you apply this to the whole bible you won't have much left."
I've never had that problem. I had good Jesuit teachers that helped me understand that you can balance Faith and Logic. If you go into your reading with the plan of attacking. what was written, then I'm sure an experienced troll like you can have a field day.
Again, the command is not that everyone should sell everything and follow God. The message is that if you are not willing to do so if so called, then you may be in peril because you love something more than you love God. I see no logical contraditions there and Riprorin already pointed out other passages in the Acts that show that your position was not the teaching of Jesus. Obviously you were not the first to jump in with this point. It even was a central part of the Cathar "heresy".
Poverty and living simply is a central part of the Catholic's Church tenants as can be seen by various orders within the Church. Many people give up the trappings of wealth to be closer to God. I respect and look up to them and admit that their faith is stronger than mine.
"And it's also possible for a child-molesting communist to get in with god's love. "
Yes. If you don't understand why, then you don't understand the central message of the New Testament. It isn't automatic. Being a communist certainly isn't by definition moral (maybe the person is a bad "communist" and believes in God and follows his teachings). The child molestation part will take effort to overcome, but God gives the person the chance as long as they are willing to take it.
"Umm... no. Rip is proud of his sins and therefore cannot repent. "
I have never seen a post where Riprorin claims to be perfect and not a sinner. I would bet my life that he is quite aware of how dangerous the pursuit of wealth can be to his eternal salvation.
Michael
"No it isn't clear. If you apply this to the whole bible you won't have much left."
I've never had that problem. I had good Jesuit teachers that helped me understand that you can balance Faith and Logic. If you go into your reading with the plan of attacking. what was written, then I'm sure an experienced troll like you can have a field day.
Again, the command is not that everyone should sell everything and follow God. The message is that if you are not willing to do so if so called, then you may be in peril because you love something more than you love God. I see no logical contraditions there and Riprorin already pointed out other passages in the Acts that show that your position was not the teaching of Jesus. Obviously you were not the first to jump in with this point. It even was a central part of the Cathar "heresy".
Poverty and living simply is a central part of the Catholic's Church tenants as can be seen by various orders within the Church. Many people give up the trappings of wealth to be closer to God. I respect and look up to them and admit that their faith is stronger than mine.
"And it's also possible for a child-molesting communist to get in with god's love. "
Yes. If you don't understand why, then you don't understand the central message of the New Testament. It isn't automatic. Being a communist certainly isn't by definition moral (maybe the person is a bad "communist" and believes in God and follows his teachings). The child molestation part will take effort to overcome, but God gives the person the chance as long as they are willing to take it.
"Umm... no. Rip is proud of his sins and therefore cannot repent. "
I have never seen a post where Riprorin claims to be perfect and not a sinner. I would bet my life that he is quite aware of how dangerous the pursuit of wealth can be to his eternal salvation.
Michael
Does that make you feel good? And you call yourself a loving Christian?
That has nothing to do with what I said.
Not may be in peril, you will be in peril. It's harder than impossible for a rich man to get in heaven. Period.
And I refuted those.
That's good for them. However, it's not optional, it's mandatory.
His continued denial of the truth of the gospel is pride.
Then you haven't read his recent posts.
Infohawk, we are ALL sinners who deserve God's wrath.
However, God in His infinite love and mercy provided a way out by sending His Son, Jesus Christ, to die for us. By acknowleding our sinfulness, asking for God's forgiveness, and recognizing that the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross alone can save us, we can be reconciled with God.
As God is perfect, he cannot abide sin in His presence. Therefore, ANY sin will eternally separate us from God. It is only through Jesus Christ and the GIFT of salvation that we can be acceptable in His sight.
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith?and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God? not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:9
However, God in His infinite love and mercy provided a way out by sending His Son, Jesus Christ, to die for us. By acknowleding our sinfulness, asking for God's forgiveness, and recognizing that the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross alone can save us, we can be reconciled with God.
As God is perfect, he cannot abide sin in His presence. Therefore, ANY sin will eternally separate us from God. It is only through Jesus Christ and the GIFT of salvation that we can be acceptable in His sight.
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith?and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God? not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:9
Michael
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"Does that make you feel good? And you call yourself a loving Christian?"
Actually, I'm a little annoyed at myself for wasting my time responding to you. I'm loving and I'm Christian but I admit to not being strong enough to fully follow Jesus' teachings and love you even though I have a low opinion of you. I do hope that I can continue to grow and mature and pray to Him that he can help me be a better follower of His teachings. Even if He isn't God as people like you claim, the central message of love is a good one to follow.
"Not may be in peril, you will be in peril. It's harder than impossible for a rich man to get in heaven. Period."
Again with the semantics. You're great at ignoring the following passages where Jesus makes it clear that even seemingly impossible things like a camel going through the eye of a needle are possible with God's love. I think that you're ignoring it because it proves that your central point is wrong and you're too proud to admit it. However, it may just be a failure of intelligence on your part and may have nothing to do with pride.
"And I refuted those. "
You typed words and hit "reply to topic", but you refuted nothing.
"That's good for them. However, it's not optional, it's mandatory."
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
(edit - should be a link here, wonder what happened)
Maybe in the Church of Infotroll. Can't see support for your statement in my faith, however.
"His continued denial of the truth of the gospel is pride. "
Now you're inventing things.
"Then you haven't read his recent posts."
There is reading (which you and I both have done). Then there is comprehension. Which you are failing at.
Michael (edited for spelling)
Actually, I'm a little annoyed at myself for wasting my time responding to you. I'm loving and I'm Christian but I admit to not being strong enough to fully follow Jesus' teachings and love you even though I have a low opinion of you. I do hope that I can continue to grow and mature and pray to Him that he can help me be a better follower of His teachings. Even if He isn't God as people like you claim, the central message of love is a good one to follow.
"Not may be in peril, you will be in peril. It's harder than impossible for a rich man to get in heaven. Period."
Again with the semantics. You're great at ignoring the following passages where Jesus makes it clear that even seemingly impossible things like a camel going through the eye of a needle are possible with God's love. I think that you're ignoring it because it proves that your central point is wrong and you're too proud to admit it. However, it may just be a failure of intelligence on your part and may have nothing to do with pride.
"And I refuted those. "
You typed words and hit "reply to topic", but you refuted nothing.
"That's good for them. However, it's not optional, it's mandatory."
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
(edit - should be a link here, wonder what happened)
Maybe in the Church of Infotroll. Can't see support for your statement in my faith, however.
"His continued denial of the truth of the gospel is pride. "
Now you're inventing things.
"Then you haven't read his recent posts."
There is reading (which you and I both have done). Then there is comprehension. Which you are failing at.
Michael (edited for spelling)
Sounds like you are selfish and an admitted failure when it comes to following His will. You actually sound proud of it and that means you can't repent and weasel out of your sin.
What do you think is my central point? How specifially does it refute it?
You just did the same you allege I did. That makes you a hypocrite
Maybe in the Church of Michael the jackass. Can't see support for your statements in the Bible however.
Search for his recent posts and you will see pride and disdain for those who make less than CEOs and such. He worships mamon.
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Where's American pride???
This money is not earned by hard work, it's all scam money, so sad
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Sounds like you are selfish and an admitted failure when it comes to following His will. You actually sound proud of it and that means you can't repent and weasel out of your sin.
What do you think is my central point? How specifially does it refute it?
You just did the same you allege I did. That makes you a hypocrite
Maybe in the Church of Michael the jackass. Can't see support for your statements in the Bible however.
Search for his recent posts and you will see pride and disdain for those who make less than CEOs and such. He worships mamon.
Actually, I respect anyone that does an honest days work. If I have any disdain, it's for able bodied people who can work, but chose to live at the expense of others.
If that is true, it's very odd that your posts havve such a hateful attitude towards those that make less than corporate CEOs. Face it, by biblical standards you are rich, and you try to weasel out of this sin by repenting, but you can't repent because you are actually proud of it as shown by your posts.
I'm a rank and file engineer supporting a family of four on one salary.
That hardly puts me in the category of the rich and famous.
That hardly puts me in the category of the rich and famous.
Like I said, compare yourself to what the people of biblical times had. You have cars. That would make you richer than most anyone at that time. Not only that, you have hatred in your heart towards those that cry out against wealth. Not exactly the Christian thing to do.
And I'm grateful for everything that I have.
Unlike you, I don't begrudge people who through hard work and initiative have become successful.
There's a few people I dislike, but I try not to hate anyone.
However in your case I might make an exception.
Unlike you, I don't begrudge people who through hard work and initiative have become successful.
There's a few people I dislike, but I try not to hate anyone.
However in your case I might make an exception.
Originally posted by: Riprorin
And I'm grateful for everything that I have.
Unlike you, I don't begrudge people who through hard work and initiative have become successful.
There's a few people I dislike, but I try not to hate anyone.
However in your case I might make an exception.
Do you feel good about corporations making money off of sweat shops? I don't think Jesus would be too happy with that.
So what? You are still rich to Jesus and you are rejecting his teachings. Your gratitude won't save you from hellfire.
You have no evidence I feel that way. Again, your pride and hatred is showing.
There's a few people I dislike, but I try not to hate anyone.
However in your case I might make an exception.
If you can hate a poster on an internet forum for such small things, you must have a lot of hate in your heart. Agan, not christian at all.
Umm, notice the wink.
It was a joke.
Does trying to tear me down somehow make you feel like a better person?
It was a joke.
Does trying to tear me down somehow make you feel like a better person?
Nobody's tearing you down. The Bible has set a path for you, if you can't follow it you just have to deal with it in the end. It has nothing to do with me, only God.
I'm a sinner saved by the grace of God. With God's help, I hope to become a better person.
Thanks for pointing out my failures and inadequacies as you see them. It assists me in knowing what I need to ask God to help me with.
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19:21
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
19:22
But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
19:23
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
19:24
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
f'ing commie
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
19:22
But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
19:23
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
19:24
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
f'ing commie
Which was clearly documented by a post some time ago, showing that very thing. I can't see why that is good.
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