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Originally posted by: conjur
I suppose 12 monkeys picking stocks at random could do better than some fund managers. 😉


Yes on average they will do better than most mutual fund managers. It's one of the first things they teach in corporate finance class.
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Well, no.

You have to look at statements within their context.

I believe that's common sensical.

The entire new testament is consistent with those verses. You are weaseling out of your responsibilities before the lord and therefore can be pretty sure you are going to burn in hellfire.
 
19:21
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Note that this verse does not teach that salvation can only be gained by selling/forsaking everything. The basic thrust of v. 21 is not ?Sell your possessions and give to the poor? but ?Come, follow me.?
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Well, no.

You have to look at statements within their context.

I believe that's common sensical.

The entire new testament is consistent with those verses. You are weaseling out of your responsibilities before the lord and therefore can be pretty sure you are going to burn in hellfire.

If you say so.
 
What part of "AND" don't you understand riprorin? You think the creator would leave in unecessary language? Of course not, to suggest otherwise shows contempt for the lord.
 
Rip, Jesus said it would be hard for "a rich man". Not "that rich man". He seems to be referring to rich men in general.
 
While the young man obeyed the commandments, at least in regard to the letter of the law, he was uncertain about about being good enough for salvation. While he had great wealth, he had a barren soul.

The commandments he was not obeying were those realting to the worship of God ie. the first and second commandment and the summary command ?Love the Lord your God with
all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.?

The man's God were his earthly riches.The man?s reaction proved correct Jesus? statements? where your treasure is, there your heart will be also? (Matt 6:21) and ?No
one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money? (Matt 6:24). The man leaves because, if a choice must be made between money and Jesus, money wins. Note also, the fact that the man grieved shows his conscience was alive and he understood the choice he was making.
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
While the young man obeyed the commandments, at least in regard to the letter of the law, he was uncertain about about being good enough for salvation. While he had great wealth, he had a barren soul.

The commandments he was not obeying were those realting to the worship of God ie. the first and second commandment and the summary command ?Love the Lord your God with
all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.?

The man's God were his earthly riches.The man?s reaction proved correct Jesus? statements? where your treasure is, there your heart will be also? (Matt 6:21) and ?No
one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money? (Matt 6:24). The man leaves because, if a choice must be made between money and Jesus, money wins. Note also, the fact that the man grieved shows his conscience was alive and he understood the choice he was making.

You are flailing. Wow that's pathetic. You have a little crisis and you run off to copy and paste. Look directly to the text, not some commentary.


Whatever is most important to you is your God.
Think about this a little longer. I guess that means you are a worshipper of mammon.
 
Jesus' instructions were to the individual he was talking to. As Jesus knew his heart, he knew that the young man placed his material possessions above his love of God. Therefore, Jesus told him to sell his possessions and follow him. The man chose his material possessions over God.

Jesus does not command ALL followers to sell ALL their earthly possessions and give them to the poor.
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Jesus does not command ALL followers to sell ALL their earthly possessions and give them to the poor.

It's pretty clear he does. In any case, you have no evidence he makes exceptions for some people. The verses suggest the opposite. You are living a life of sin.
 
All Christians should give to God a portion of what He has given them. Christians are to give according to each one?s ability and income:

Acts 11:27-30 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

27And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.

28And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.

29Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea:

30Which also they did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul.


1 Corinthians 16:2 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

2Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come
 
Read those verses closely. They do not in any way support your sinful view. Read the verses that were posted by Zebo. They are VERY CLEAR.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Riprorin
If you say so.

Jesus said so.
Don't be hasty. I kind of like Rip's perversion ... err ... interpretation of "God's word". According to Rip's twist, it's OK for me to murder, commit adultery, steal, and wage dishonest, hateful campaigns against anything I'm told to attack (bearing false witness, not loving my neighbor). After all, Jesus wasn't talking to me personally. He was talking to that other guy.

It's all so clear now. That's how I can be a BushCo Republican while claiming to have faith. I could loot a corporation like Ken Lay did. Why, I could even become a Christain extremist if I can learn how to twist the rest of Christ's teachings. Woot!
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Yes, Jesus words to the the rich young man were VERY clear.

If you go through the bible and limit everything that Jesus says to apply only to the person he's talking to, you won't have much left. You are ridding the Bible of any meaning by doing so. You should be ashamed. I can also guarantee you that you are rich compared to that guy. He probably had five sheep.
 
As I said, Jesus' instructions to the young man to sell all his possessions and give them to the poor apply to the young man Jesus was talking to and not to all Christians.

As I also pointed out the Bible speaks to Christian giving: Christians are to are to give according to each one?s ability and income as indicated by Acts 11:27-30 and 1 Corinthians 16:2.


 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Yes, Jesus words to the the rich young man were VERY clear.

If you go through the bible and limit everything that Jesus says to apply only to the person he's talking to, you won't have much left. You are ridding the Bible of any meaning by doing so. You should be ashamed. I can also guarantee you that you are rich compared to that guy. He probably had five sheep.

Everything in the Bible should be looked at in its proper context. Some of Jesus' statements are global and apply to everyone and some aren't.
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Yes, Jesus words to the the rich young man were VERY clear.
If you go through the bible and limit everything that Jesus says to apply only to the person he's talking to, you won't have much left. You are ridding the Bible of any meaning by doing so. You should be ashamed. I can also guarantee you that you are rich compared to that guy. He probably had five sheep.
Everything in the Bible should be looked at in its proper context. Some of Jesus' statements are global and apply to everyone and some aren't.
And you get to pick and choose which means what. How convenient.
 
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Yes, Jesus words to the the rich young man were VERY clear.
If you go through the bible and limit everything that Jesus says to apply only to the person he's talking to, you won't have much left. You are ridding the Bible of any meaning by doing so. You should be ashamed. I can also guarantee you that you are rich compared to that guy. He probably had five sheep.
Everything in the Bible should be looked at in its proper context. Some of Jesus' statements are global and apply to everyone and some aren't.
And you get to pick and choose which means what. How convenient.

Hehe, ofcourse, it's religion.
Reminds me of the satanic verses. About the swings Rushdie has against islam.
 
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