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Milk: Healthy or not?
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Sureshot324
Diamond Member
Link? What's the reason for this?
Most hormones that go into the digestive system cannot make it to the blood stream. This is because they are peptides, and the digestive system breaks these down. It is for this reason that diabetics inject insulin, and certain bodybuilders inject steroids.
With that said, milk does increase insulin, and I read that milk treated with growth hormones do increase insulin little more, although I don't think it is too significant.
If you are not lactose intolerant, the protein is milk is pretty much the absolute best source of protein. Study after study shows how it is more effective than soy, how casein and whey together work to provide a long and steady supply of bio-available proteins.
As for the "it's not intended for humans" argument. Better not consume grains, seeds, eggs, and many other foods. This argument is nonsense. We are different from animals because of our ability to create tools to manipulate nature. Consuming cow's milk is completely natural for humans and has been done for thousands of years.
With that said, milk does increase insulin, and I read that milk treated with growth hormones do increase insulin little more, although I don't think it is too significant.
If you are not lactose intolerant, the protein is milk is pretty much the absolute best source of protein. Study after study shows how it is more effective than soy, how casein and whey together work to provide a long and steady supply of bio-available proteins.
As for the "it's not intended for humans" argument. Better not consume grains, seeds, eggs, and many other foods. This argument is nonsense. We are different from animals because of our ability to create tools to manipulate nature. Consuming cow's milk is completely natural for humans and has been done for thousands of years.
schneiderguy
Lifer
milk is disgusting
Summitdrinker
Golden Member
Interesting...I have been drinking milk for 44 years now, and plenty of it
I am still in good shape. True I think too much would be bad for you but you can say that about many other foods too, I remember years ago they claimed eggs will kill you (almost). I always laughed about that one, humans ate eggs since the caveman days and it didn't kill us off. True 20 eggs a day might be bad for you if you ate that many for 50 years in a row. I think the way eggs are cooked is the bad thing
I have cut down on my milk drinking some; good old water has taken its place now. But I crave milk, always have since I was a kid. I am of far northern European decent, Norwegian, Dutch, English. Does that have something to do with it?
is goats milk all that much better for ya? I like that too, would drink more but it's not cheap
I am still in good shape. True I think too much would be bad for you but you can say that about many other foods too, I remember years ago they claimed eggs will kill you (almost). I always laughed about that one, humans ate eggs since the caveman days and it didn't kill us off. True 20 eggs a day might be bad for you if you ate that many for 50 years in a row. I think the way eggs are cooked is the bad thing
I have cut down on my milk drinking some; good old water has taken its place now. But I crave milk, always have since I was a kid. I am of far northern European decent, Norwegian, Dutch, English. Does that have something to do with it?
is goats milk all that much better for ya? I like that too, would drink more but it's not cheap
biggestmuff
Diamond Member
oh, it's healthy...for a calf.
KillerCharlie
Diamond Member
Humans eat all kinds of weird stuff. There's no way in hell I'm giving up cheese and ice cream.
As far as it being healthy or not, I don't believe a single thing anyone says on here unless it's backed up with documented, reputable scientific studies.
As far as it being healthy or not, I don't believe a single thing anyone says on here unless it's backed up with documented, reputable scientific studies.
Vic
Elite Member
Lactose intolerance
You're arguing apples and oranges. Except for a minority of humans, all mammals lose the ability to produce lactase, the enzyme necessary to metabolize lactose, before adulthood. The ability for some adult humans to be able to digest milk -- of any kind -- is believed by many scientists to be our species' most recent evolutionary genetic mutation.
RagingBITCH
Lifer
Who gives a crap...all kinds of studies say oranges give you cancer, potatoes give you cancer. Just eat whatever you want.
IGBT
Lifer
Milk Consumption and Prostate Cancer
By Neal D. Barnard, M.D.
Abstract
Prostate cancer is one of the most common malignancies worldwide, with an estimated 400,000 new cases diagnosed annually. Its incidence and mortality have been associated with milk or dairy product consumption in international and interregional correlational studies. As a result, case-control and cohort studies have further investigated this association and are described in this review. Of 12 case-control studies, six found significant associations, as did five of 11 cohort studies, with relative risk of prostate cancer among those with the most frequent dairy product consumption ranging between 1.3 and 2.5, with evidence of a dose-response relationship. Mechanisms that may explain this association include the deleterious effect of high-calcium foods on vitamin D balance, the tendency of frequent dairy intake to increase serum insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) concentrations, and the effect of dairy products on testosterone concentration or activity.
Text
Correlational Studies
In international and interregional correlational studies, dairy product consumption has been consistently associated with prostate cancer mortality.3-7 The largest and most recent of these, based on World Health Organization mortality figures for 1985-1989 from 59 countries and United Nations food balance data for 1979-1981, reported a strong correlation between per capita milk consumption and prostate cancer mortality (r = 0.78, P<0.0001).7 A more geographically restricted study, conducted in 20 Italian regions, found a similar correlation between prostate cancer mortality and milk consumption (r = 0.75, P <0.01).6
International correlational studies typically rely on food "disappearance" data, which may not accurately reflect intake, and are limited in their ability to control for potential confounders. They are also subject to variability in reporting practices, although this is less likely to influence mortality data than incidence figures. Some of the weaknesses of international correlational studies are avoided in case-control and cohort studies. Case-control studies compare the recalled diets of individuals with cancer with the diets of individuals without cancer who are similar in other relevant respects. Because cases and locally recruited controls are likely to have similar dietary patterns, the sensitivity of such studies is often limited. Cohort studies gather dietary information from healthy volunteers who are then followed over time.
By Neal D. Barnard, M.D.
Abstract
Prostate cancer is one of the most common malignancies worldwide, with an estimated 400,000 new cases diagnosed annually. Its incidence and mortality have been associated with milk or dairy product consumption in international and interregional correlational studies. As a result, case-control and cohort studies have further investigated this association and are described in this review. Of 12 case-control studies, six found significant associations, as did five of 11 cohort studies, with relative risk of prostate cancer among those with the most frequent dairy product consumption ranging between 1.3 and 2.5, with evidence of a dose-response relationship. Mechanisms that may explain this association include the deleterious effect of high-calcium foods on vitamin D balance, the tendency of frequent dairy intake to increase serum insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) concentrations, and the effect of dairy products on testosterone concentration or activity.
Text
Correlational Studies
In international and interregional correlational studies, dairy product consumption has been consistently associated with prostate cancer mortality.3-7 The largest and most recent of these, based on World Health Organization mortality figures for 1985-1989 from 59 countries and United Nations food balance data for 1979-1981, reported a strong correlation between per capita milk consumption and prostate cancer mortality (r = 0.78, P<0.0001).7 A more geographically restricted study, conducted in 20 Italian regions, found a similar correlation between prostate cancer mortality and milk consumption (r = 0.75, P <0.01).6
International correlational studies typically rely on food "disappearance" data, which may not accurately reflect intake, and are limited in their ability to control for potential confounders. They are also subject to variability in reporting practices, although this is less likely to influence mortality data than incidence figures. Some of the weaknesses of international correlational studies are avoided in case-control and cohort studies. Case-control studies compare the recalled diets of individuals with cancer with the diets of individuals without cancer who are similar in other relevant respects. Because cases and locally recruited controls are likely to have similar dietary patterns, the sensitivity of such studies is often limited. Cohort studies gather dietary information from healthy volunteers who are then followed over time.
KillerCharlie
Diamond Member
Gotta love correlational studies.
Milk is way healthier than all kinds of artificial crap they put in soft drinks and processed foods.
Milk is way healthier than all kinds of artificial crap they put in soft drinks and processed foods.
It is partially true.
But the hormones are growth hormones for cows. Most of the time humans do not carry receptors on cells for hormones of different species. Not all the time though. Some plant sterols seem to affect humans.
Enriched vitamin D Milk is good for calcium. So whatever.
But some races, never drank much milk in their diet after birth, so they never developed the need to produce the enzymes after birth to digest dairy. The Asian race in particular have this problem. So do some Africans. Really though the hormones that affect cows more than likely don't affect humans so who cares if it is filled with them. The cow hormones will either be digested and used for their amino acids or they will be expelled.
imported_Lothar
Diamond Member
"minority" of humans?...I doubt that.
If anything the number of people that are lactose intolerant are in the minority from my experience.
Maybe we are all mutants. Time for us to join the X-Men.
Edit
"Lactose intolerance is an autosomal recessive trait, while lactase persistence is the dominant allele. The gene is expressed and the enzyme synthesized if at least one of the two genes are able to express properly. Only when both gene expressions are affected is lactase enzyme synthesis reduced, which in turn reduces lactose digestion."
It is you who is the mutant. You need to join the X-Men. 😉
ShadowOfMyself
Diamond Member
Im sorry but, do you live in the same planet as me? Its very rare for me to meet someone that cant stand milk... Actually, I can remember ONE person that couldnt drink cow milk, everyone else usually enjoys it, or even if they dont, its because of the taste 😛
Maybe its a regional thing? Meaning its more common in America than Europe or something
moshquerade
No Lifer
yes, cows are fed hormones to increase milk production. they are also fed antibiotics wherein trace amounts do show up in the milk we consume.
take any food product you have not grown yourself in your own garden and you are going to find some kind of issue yet we seem to be surviving and flourishing fine.
all things considered, for me, milk is still a staple.
Eggs are great. I believe the criticism of eggs was the high saturated fat content. There was a bunch of fallacious studies about how all saturated fats are correlated with higher LDL cholesterol no matter what type of saturated fat it is or what it is eaten with. There's a chemical difference between bacon saturated fat and coconut oil saturated fat. That difference makes the first unhealthy and the second very healthy.
They did a study on eggs and it was shown to improve cholesterol levels, both LDL and HDL. It is also an awesome source of protein, and you can buy omega 3 eggs now.
http://whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=92
A lot of people are discovering this. It is because milk is exceptionally high on the insulin index. It increases IGF-1 significantly. It's actually health to rise IGF-1 a couple times a day, say after a workout. But several times a day is going to cause health problems down the road.
Not credible sources. Just looking at the first one for example, I looked at obesity:
This is nonsense. Milk is very anabolic. It will not make you fat. It is high in calories, sure, but milk protein is slowly digested and protein alone is going to cause body fat loss if anything. Oh no, dietary cholesterol...which is essential for healthy hormone production and has very little to do with blood cholesterol.
Give me links to pubmed.
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